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BS2 and mobile phones

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2003-01-24 13:59 in General Discussion
All cellular phones I've seen support at commands, this is very
useful for SMS etc.
This is very useful: Imagine your stamp sending an SMS if someone
tries to break into your car....

Sometimes it's hard to get support info, I use Siemens M20T and
there is a lot of on the web, the support from siemens is very good.
Some manufacturers use their own adaption of the GSM standards which
causes compatibility errors.

It very useful and fancy.

/Douglas

--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "johan_y_andersson
<bindler@h...>" <bindler@h...> wrote:
> I use my basic stamp as an inerface between a gps and my mobile
> phone. Signaling into the stamp is normally no problem, you can
> connect the in-wire direct to the in-pin you choose. Just put a
20k
> resistor in between to get the signal right and protect the stamp.
> Signalling out from the stamp is another issue. The voltage levels
> coming from the stamp I/O pins is considerably lower than those
> standardized in the rs232 serial interface. Sometimes connecting a
> gadget directly from the stamp works, sometimes not. I had some
> problems getting the phone to react to at commands, but since size
is
> no issue in my project I finally connected the phone to the serial
> port on my demo board (the one used for programming the stamp) and
> voil

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 21:03
    One of the differences is that "all cellular phones" in Europe tends to mean
    GSM, and in the US, the market share and coverage by GSM carriers (e.g.
    T-Mobile and Cingular) is much less than the archaic but prevalent U.S. only
    standards.

    If you live in the U.S. and want to have access to reasonably good cellular
    data communication, by using a cellular modem that is integrated into your
    cell phone, you really have to switch to a GSM carrier. The rest of the
    U.S. carriers are just tooooooo hard to interface.

    I use a Nokia 8290 on T-Mobile and have good SMS as well as an IR port on
    the phone for making the connection to my Palm or my laptop. Painless setup
    and very reliable.

    After moving the SIM card to a Motorola tri-band phone (also with IR port),
    I was also able to use the same telephone number while traveling throughout
    Europe, and everyone could call me at my U.S. number.

    -- end of soapbox --

    Original Message
    From: Douglas Rydstroem <rdo@s...> [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=hUcmuBURyoDy5x7_MsXgeAgLiB6XycNs5H9BPvWhb2jmuthAyRd6o3W13ZIqB3p4zyRLQtE]rdo@s...[/url
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    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re:BS2 and mobile phones


    All cellular phones I've seen support at commands, this is very
    useful for SMS etc.
    This is very useful: Imagine your stamp sending an SMS if someone
    tries to break into your car....

    Sometimes it's hard to get support info, I use Siemens M20T and
    there is a lot of on the web, the support from siemens is very good.
    Some manufacturers use their own adaption of the GSM standards which
    causes compatibility errors.

    It very useful and fancy.

    /Douglas

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "johan_y_andersson
    <bindler@h...>" <bindler@h...> wrote:
    > I use my basic stamp as an inerface between a gps and my mobile
    > phone. Signaling into the stamp is normally no problem, you can
    > connect the in-wire direct to the in-pin you choose. Just put a
    20k
    > resistor in between to get the signal right and protect the stamp.
    > Signalling out from the stamp is another issue. The voltage levels
    > coming from the stamp I/O pins is considerably lower than those
    > standardized in the rs232 serial interface. Sometimes connecting a
    > gadget directly from the stamp works, sometimes not. I had some
    > problems getting the phone to react to at commands, but since size
    is
    > no issue in my project I finally connected the phone to the serial
    > port on my demo board (the one used for programming the stamp) and
    > voil
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-23 02:06
    I am so delighted with the information provided by you all and thanks a lot!
    I also had connected my Garmin eTrex GPS receiver to BOE, and it works
    properly, I had even extracted the $GPGLL string from among the NMEA data flow
    from the receiver and edit the string using DEBUG window. The resistor is used
    to sink the current so that it works in safe range of BS2.
    So,wiring mobile phone to BS2 is possible, I am using Board of
    Education(BOE) and its programming port is only used to download program( Could
    I use it to connect to mobile phone via data cable? ).
    Thus, if I want to enable a serial communication betweem BS2 and mobile
    phone, what I need to do is to either wire the phone to the I/O ports of BOE or
    wire to the Serial In and Serial Out of the BS2-IC module. Since I am using BOE,
    could you give me some hints on how to connect the phone BOE? Should I use RS1?I
    would much more appreciating!
    The wire from the phone could be plugged directly into the Serial in
    and Serial Out on the stamp , but then I probably have to bridge some of the
    wires in the serial cable,depends on kind of phone I am using. I am using siemen
    S35 and I really need information about wires that should be bridged from my
    phone...
    Days ago I cracked the cover of both the head and tail of my siemens
    data cable and I discovered that 3 pins(TxD, RxD and GRND) out of 12 pins from
    the phone charging place are used to connected to a MAX231 chip before it
    reaches DB9 connector. Should I connect the 3 pins directly to I/O ports of BOE
    or from the DB9 connector that is after the MAX231 chip?
    "Douglas Rydstroem <rdo@s...>" <rdo@s...> wrote:All cellular phones
    I've seen support at commands, this is very
    useful for SMS etc.
    This is very useful: Imagine your stamp sending an SMS if someone
    tries to break into your car....

    Sometimes it's hard to get support info, I use Siemens M20T and
    there is a lot of on the web, the support from siemens is very good.
    Some manufacturers use their own adaption of the GSM standards which
    causes compatibility errors.

    It very useful and fancy.

    /Douglas

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "johan_y_andersson
    " wrote:
    > I use my basic stamp as an inerface between a gps and my mobile
    > phone. Signaling into the stamp is normally no problem, you can
    > connect the in-wire direct to the in-pin you choose. Just put a
    20k
    > resistor in between to get the signal right and protect the stamp.
    > Signalling out from the stamp is another issue. The voltage levels
    > coming from the stamp I/O pins is considerably lower than those
    > standardized in the rs232 serial interface. Sometimes connecting a
    > gadget directly from the stamp works, sometimes not. I had some
    > problems getting the phone to react to at commands, but since size
    is
    > no issue in my project I finally connected the phone to the serial
    > port on my demo board (the one used for programming the stamp) and
    > voil
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-23 04:56
    choi,

    I'd use the max231 chip.

    Look at http://www.emesys.com/BS2rs232.htm , this is what I think
    you need to know...

    good luck!

    /Douglas



    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, choi jolin <jolincsy@y...> wrote:
    >
    > I am so delighted with the information provided by you all and
    thanks a lot!
    > I also had connected my Garmin eTrex GPS receiver to
    BOE, and it works properly, I had even extracted the $GPGLL string
    from among the NMEA data flow from the receiver and edit the string
    using DEBUG window. The resistor is used to sink the current so that
    it works in safe range of BS2.
    > So,wiring mobile phone to BS2 is possible, I am using
    Board of Education(BOE) and its programming port is only used to
    download program( Could I use it to connect to mobile phone via data
    cable? ).
    > Thus, if I want to enable a serial communication betweem
    BS2 and mobile phone, what I need to do is to either wire the phone
    to the I/O ports of BOE or wire to the Serial In and Serial Out of
    the BS2-IC module. Since I am using BOE, could you give me some
    hints on how to connect the phone BOE? Should I use RS1?I would much
    more appreciating!
    > The wire from the phone could be plugged directly into
    the Serial in and Serial Out on the stamp , but then I probably have
    to bridge some of the wires in the serial cable,depends on kind of
    phone I am using. I am using siemen S35 and I really need
    information about wires that should be bridged from my phone...
    > Days ago I cracked the cover of both the head and tail of
    my siemens data cable and I discovered that 3 pins(TxD, RxD and
    GRND) out of 12 pins from the phone charging place are used to
    connected to a MAX231 chip before it reaches DB9 connector. Should I
    connect the 3 pins directly to I/O ports of BOE or from the DB9
    connector that is after the MAX231 chip?
    > "Douglas Rydstroem <rdo@s...>" <rdo@s...> wrote:All cellular
    phones I've seen support at commands, this is very
    > useful for SMS etc.
    > This is very useful: Imagine your stamp sending an SMS if someone
    > tries to break into your car....
    >
    > Sometimes it's hard to get support info, I use Siemens M20T and
    > there is a lot of on the web, the support from siemens is very
    good.
    > Some manufacturers use their own adaption of the GSM standards
    which
    > causes compatibility errors.
    >
    > It very useful and fancy.
    >
    > /Douglas
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "johan_y_andersson
    > " wrote:
    > > I use my basic stamp as an inerface between a gps and my mobile
    > > phone. Signaling into the stamp is normally no problem, you can
    > > connect the in-wire direct to the in-pin you choose. Just put a
    > 20k
    > > resistor in between to get the signal right and protect the
    stamp.
    > > Signalling out from the stamp is another issue. The voltage
    levels
    > > coming from the stamp I/O pins is considerably lower than those
    > > standardized in the rs232 serial interface. Sometimes connecting
    a
    > > gadget directly from the stamp works, sometimes not. I had some
    > > problems getting the phone to react to at commands, but since
    size
    > is
    > > no issue in my project I finally connected the phone to the
    serial
    > > port on my demo board (the one used for programming the stamp)
    and
    > > voil
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-24 01:59
    Thanks a lot for your information.

    M20T is a kind of GSM modem, is it?

    I had actually gone through about MAX231 after I had cracked the data cable
    and it need 2 power supply . Will the 12V ruin the Stamp? Any cautions?

    May i know if you wired the pin no. 6@9 (Rx) and 7@8 (Tx) of MAX231 to the sin
    and sout of Stamp respectively?




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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-24 08:16
    The M20T is a GSM modem, thats right. It contains all the hardware
    (incl max-chips) so I don't know how You would use it if it was in a
    cable....
    On my M20T is a 9 pin serial port, all I use is a pin to pin
    extension cable.
    You may have to xwire the flow control (RTS-CTS, DSR-DTR) and use no
    more than 2400 bps, higher baudrates are not reliable, not for the
    phone, nor the stamp.
    There is a lot of settings to do with 'at'-commands before you can
    use it for modem purposes, a lot of docs and reading is required,
    all docs is supplied by each manufacturer...

    The M20T docs are in total 2Mb, I'll mail them if You want to....

    /Douglas

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, choi jolin <jolincsy@y...> wrote:
    >
    > Thanks a lot for your information.
    >
    > M20T is a kind of GSM modem, is it?
    >
    > I had actually gone through about MAX231 after I had cracked the
    data cable and it need 2 power supply . Will the 12V ruin the Stamp?
    Any cautions?
    >
    > May i know if you wired the pin no. 6@9 (Rx) and 7@8 (Tx) of
    MAX231 to the sin and sout of Stamp respectively?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-24 13:59
    Yeah, I would want the detail about M20T, thanks!!
    "Douglas Rydstroem <rdo@s...>" <rdo@s...> wrote:The M20T is a GSM
    modem, thats right. It contains all the hardware
    (incl max-chips) so I don't know how You would use it if it was in a
    cable....
    On my M20T is a 9 pin serial port, all I use is a pin to pin
    extension cable.
    You may have to xwire the flow control (RTS-CTS, DSR-DTR) and use no
    more than 2400 bps, higher baudrates are not reliable, not for the
    phone, nor the stamp.
    There is a lot of settings to do with 'at'-commands before you can
    use it for modem purposes, a lot of docs and reading is required,
    all docs is supplied by each manufacturer...

    The M20T docs are in total 2Mb, I'll mail them if You want to....

    /Douglas

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, choi jolin wrote:
    >
    > Thanks a lot for your information.
    >
    > M20T is a kind of GSM modem, is it?
    >
    > I had actually gone through about MAX231 after I had cracked the
    data cable and it need 2 power supply . Will the 12V ruin the Stamp?
    Any cautions?
    >
    > May i know if you wired the pin no. 6@9 (Rx) and 7@8 (Tx) of
    MAX231 to the sin and sout of Stamp respectively?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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