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Controlling outside load

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2003-01-23 19:48 in General Discussion
Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few years ago
and never did anything with it.

I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine controller. What
is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel injector
which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC through
a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently I'm
planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on and off.
I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the stamp to
switch them.

Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some sort of
digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers" work.

Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I was
thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with a small
magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces current in
the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or injection at
the right time.
I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...

I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,

Thanks

Bill

Comments

  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 15:57
    Bill,

    SSR are pretty expensive, and you could use a much less expensive transistor
    or mofset or something along those lines.

    To detect crank shaft position, how about a tiny NIB magnet and a Hall
    sensor.

    Jonathan

    www.madlabs.info

    Original Message
    From: <billak@f...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:34 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Controlling outside load


    > Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few years ago
    > and never did anything with it.
    >
    > I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine controller. What
    > is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel injector
    > which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC through
    > a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently I'm
    > planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on and off.
    > I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the stamp to
    > switch them.
    >
    > Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some sort of
    > digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers" work.
    >
    > Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I was
    > thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with a small
    > magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces current in
    > the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or injection at
    > the right time.
    > I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...
    >
    > I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Bill
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 16:11
    Well I'm getting free "samples" of the SSR I was going to use from
    the company that makes them.
    Would a MOSFET or transistor react faster? I think the reaction time
    on these relays is like 1 ms.

    About the Hall sensor, now that I think about it, I think Chrysler
    used them to tell when their 2.2 and 2.5 liter "K" car type and
    minivan engines were turning. They put it in the distributor I think.

    Where do you guys buy your electronic components like this? Radio
    Shack doesn't have Smile anymore.

    Thanks,

    Bill




    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Peakall"
    <jpeakall@m...> wrote:
    > Bill,
    >
    > SSR are pretty expensive, and you could use a much less expensive
    transistor
    > or mofset or something along those lines.
    >
    > To detect crank shaft position, how about a tiny NIB magnet and a
    Hall
    > sensor.
    >
    > Jonathan
    >
    > www.madlabs.info
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: <billak@f...>
    > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:34 AM
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Controlling outside load
    >
    >
    > > Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few years
    ago
    > > and never did anything with it.
    > >
    > > I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine controller.
    What
    > > is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel injector
    > > which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC
    through
    > > a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently I'm
    > > planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on and
    off.
    > > I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the stamp
    to
    > > switch them.
    > >
    > > Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some
    sort of
    > > digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers"
    work.
    > >
    > > Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I was
    > > thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with a
    small
    > > magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces current
    in
    > > the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or injection at
    > > the right time.
    > > I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...
    > >
    > > I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > Bill
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
    > > basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
    > > from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the
    Subject and
    > Body of the message will be ignored.
    > >
    > >
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    > >
    > >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 16:26
    In a message dated 1/22/2003 7:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
    billak@f... writes:

    > Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few years ago
    > and never did anything with it.
    >
    > I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine controller. What
    > is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel injector
    > which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC through
    > a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently I'm
    > planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on and off.
    > I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the stamp to
    > switch them.
    >
    > Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some sort of
    > digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers" work.
    >
    > Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I was
    > thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with a small
    > magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces current in
    > the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or injection at
    > the right time.
    > I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...
    >
    > I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,
    >
    > Thanks

    How many cylinders?....With the correct interface hardware (will get to that
    later) the stamp can drive your loads, injectors, read your inputs (CKP
    sensor) etc.

    However, the BS2 may not be "fast" enough to run the engine, especially at
    higher RPM.
    Also, the stamp basically can do only one thing at a time. What I mean is it
    will be a challenge to continuously read the CKP sensor, cylinder #1 sensor,
    then perform "interrupts" to pulse the ignition coil, injectors and any other
    solenoids etc.

    The BS2 SX will probably be fast enough but you will still have the challenge
    of the Stamp doing one thing at a time.

    If you still want to pursue your project, write back. The hardware interface
    to convert CKP into TTL (a signal the stamp can interpret), and the hardware
    to interface your injectors, and ignition coil to the stamp is not too
    difficult.......

    Ken


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 16:28
    In a message dated 1/22/2003 8:12:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
    billak@f... writes:

    > Where do you guys buy your electronic components like this? Radio
    > Shack doesn't have Smile anymore.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Bill
    >

    <A HREF="www.digikey.com">www.digikey.com</A>
    <A HREF="www.allied.com">www.allied.com</A>
    <A HREF="www.mouser.com">www.mouser.com</A>


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 16:34
    Well it's only a one cylinder engine. I thought about the speed, but
    I figured since I'm only concerned with one cylinder, I should be
    able to pull it off, as long as my external components react fast
    enough. I have managed to make a spark happen, and signal my
    injector, but because the SSR i was using had a 35 ohm drop on the
    12 volts to the coil and injector it was a very weak spark and the
    injector hardly just clicked. I have a set of free SSRs on the way
    with 0.7-1 ohm resistance.

    What do you have in mind for interfacing it? Have you done something
    like this before? I have been thinking about it for a while and I
    think it is possible enough to pursue. I will obviously need two
    crankshaft position sensors, one to signal ignition time and one to
    signal injection time. They will be at maximum advance, and the
    stamp will have to be timing it.


    Thanks,

    Bill





    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, smartdim@a... wrote:
    > In a message dated 1/22/2003 7:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
    > billak@f... writes:
    >
    > > Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few years
    ago
    > > and never did anything with it.
    > >
    > > I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine controller.
    What
    > > is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel
    injector
    > > which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC
    through
    > > a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently
    I'm
    > > planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on and
    off.
    > > I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the stamp
    to
    > > switch them.
    > >
    > > Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some
    sort of
    > > digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers"
    work.
    > >
    > > Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I was
    > > thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with a
    small
    > > magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces current
    in
    > > the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or injection
    at
    > > the right time.
    > > I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...
    > >
    > > I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,
    > >
    > > Thanks
    >
    > How many cylinders?....With the correct interface hardware (will
    get to that
    > later) the stamp can drive your loads, injectors, read your inputs
    (CKP
    > sensor) etc.
    >
    > However, the BS2 may not be "fast" enough to run the engine,
    especially at
    > higher RPM.
    > Also, the stamp basically can do only one thing at a time. What I
    mean is it
    > will be a challenge to continuously read the CKP sensor, cylinder
    #1 sensor,
    > then perform "interrupts" to pulse the ignition coil, injectors
    and any other
    > solenoids etc.
    >
    > The BS2 SX will probably be fast enough but you will still have
    the challenge
    > of the Stamp doing one thing at a time.
    >
    > If you still want to pursue your project, write back. The hardware
    interface
    > to convert CKP into TTL (a signal the stamp can interpret), and
    the hardware
    > to interface your injectors, and ignition coil to the stamp is not
    too
    > difficult.......
    >
    > Ken
    >
    >
    > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 17:03
    Bill,

    Give us some deatails on the motor, operating RPM range and so on.

    Jonathan

    Original Message
    From: <billak@f...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:34 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Controlling outside load


    > Well it's only a one cylinder engine. I thought about the speed, but
    > I figured since I'm only concerned with one cylinder, I should be
    > able to pull it off, as long as my external components react fast
    > enough. I have managed to make a spark happen, and signal my
    > injector, but because the SSR i was using had a 35 ohm drop on the
    > 12 volts to the coil and injector it was a very weak spark and the
    > injector hardly just clicked. I have a set of free SSRs on the way
    > with 0.7-1 ohm resistance.
    >
    > What do you have in mind for interfacing it? Have you done something
    > like this before? I have been thinking about it for a while and I
    > think it is possible enough to pursue. I will obviously need two
    > crankshaft position sensors, one to signal ignition time and one to
    > signal injection time. They will be at maximum advance, and the
    > stamp will have to be timing it.
    >
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Bill
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, smartdim@a... wrote:
    > > In a message dated 1/22/2003 7:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
    > > billak@f... writes:
    > >
    > > > Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few years
    > ago
    > > > and never did anything with it.
    > > >
    > > > I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine controller.
    > What
    > > > is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel
    > injector
    > > > which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC
    > through
    > > > a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently
    > I'm
    > > > planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on and
    > off.
    > > > I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the stamp
    > to
    > > > switch them.
    > > >
    > > > Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some
    > sort of
    > > > digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers"
    > work.
    > > >
    > > > Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I was
    > > > thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with a
    > small
    > > > magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces current
    > in
    > > > the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or injection
    > at
    > > > the right time.
    > > > I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...
    > > >
    > > > I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,
    > > >
    > > > Thanks
    > >
    > > How many cylinders?....With the correct interface hardware (will
    > get to that
    > > later) the stamp can drive your loads, injectors, read your inputs
    > (CKP
    > > sensor) etc.
    > >
    > > However, the BS2 may not be "fast" enough to run the engine,
    > especially at
    > > higher RPM.
    > > Also, the stamp basically can do only one thing at a time. What I
    > mean is it
    > > will be a challenge to continuously read the CKP sensor, cylinder
    > #1 sensor,
    > > then perform "interrupts" to pulse the ignition coil, injectors
    > and any other
    > > solenoids etc.
    > >
    > > The BS2 SX will probably be fast enough but you will still have
    > the challenge
    > > of the Stamp doing one thing at a time.
    > >
    > > If you still want to pursue your project, write back. The hardware
    > interface
    > > to convert CKP into TTL (a signal the stamp can interpret), and
    > the hardware
    > > to interface your injectors, and ignition coil to the stamp is not
    > too
    > > difficult.......
    > >
    > > Ken
    > >
    > >
    > > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    >
    >
    > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 17:14
    Well the motor is a one cylinder four stroke engine. Redline RPM at
    stock is 3600 RPM. If you run it faster than this stock it will most
    certainly throw the connecting rod through the side of the block.
    One I get this running, if possible I would like to make it turn
    faster. (This can be accomplished safely by installing a high
    strength racing connecting rod). But for now I'd like to have it
    able to turn 3600 RPM. Idle is from 1000-1500 usually. Common
    clutches engage at 2000 RPM.

    The reason I think it should be feasable is bacause since it is only
    one cylinder, nothing will have to be happening simultaneous,
    everything will be sequential. So if my stamp and my hardware
    interfaces can react fast enough it will work.

    Also, like most cars today it will not be a problem that injection
    and ignition will also occur on the opposite stroke that it needs
    to. In electronically controlled automobiles, this is known
    as "waste spark" and "waste injection". For example, ignition can
    occur on both combustion and exhaust stroke. The fuel is not really
    wasted though, it carries over into the next compression and
    combustion cycle. Many four cylinder cars pair up spark plugs and
    injectors for this reason, even though only one cylinder fires at a
    time.

    Bill





    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Peakall"
    <jpeakall@m...> wrote:
    > Bill,
    >
    > Give us some deatails on the motor, operating RPM range and so on.
    >
    > Jonathan
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: <billak@f...>
    > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:34 AM
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Controlling outside load
    >
    >
    > > Well it's only a one cylinder engine. I thought about the speed,
    but
    > > I figured since I'm only concerned with one cylinder, I should be
    > > able to pull it off, as long as my external components react fast
    > > enough. I have managed to make a spark happen, and signal my
    > > injector, but because the SSR i was using had a 35 ohm drop on
    the
    > > 12 volts to the coil and injector it was a very weak spark and
    the
    > > injector hardly just clicked. I have a set of free SSRs on the
    way
    > > with 0.7-1 ohm resistance.
    > >
    > > What do you have in mind for interfacing it? Have you done
    something
    > > like this before? I have been thinking about it for a while and I
    > > think it is possible enough to pursue. I will obviously need two
    > > crankshaft position sensors, one to signal ignition time and one
    to
    > > signal injection time. They will be at maximum advance, and the
    > > stamp will have to be timing it.
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Bill
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, smartdim@a... wrote:
    > > > In a message dated 1/22/2003 7:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
    > > > billak@f... writes:
    > > >
    > > > > Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few
    years
    > > ago
    > > > > and never did anything with it.
    > > > >
    > > > > I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine
    controller.
    > > What
    > > > > is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel
    > > injector
    > > > > which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC
    > > through
    > > > > a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently
    > > I'm
    > > > > planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on
    and
    > > off.
    > > > > I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the
    stamp
    > > to
    > > > > switch them.
    > > > >
    > > > > Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some
    > > sort of
    > > > > digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers"
    > > work.
    > > > >
    > > > > Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I
    was
    > > > > thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with
    a
    > > small
    > > > > magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces
    current
    > > in
    > > > > the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or
    injection
    > > at
    > > > > the right time.
    > > > > I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...
    > > > >
    > > > > I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks
    > > >
    > > > How many cylinders?....With the correct interface hardware
    (will
    > > get to that
    > > > later) the stamp can drive your loads, injectors, read your
    inputs
    > > (CKP
    > > > sensor) etc.
    > > >
    > > > However, the BS2 may not be "fast" enough to run the engine,
    > > especially at
    > > > higher RPM.
    > > > Also, the stamp basically can do only one thing at a time.
    What I
    > > mean is it
    > > > will be a challenge to continuously read the CKP sensor,
    cylinder
    > > #1 sensor,
    > > > then perform "interrupts" to pulse the ignition coil, injectors
    > > and any other
    > > > solenoids etc.
    > > >
    > > > The BS2 SX will probably be fast enough but you will still have
    > > the challenge
    > > > of the Stamp doing one thing at a time.
    > > >
    > > > If you still want to pursue your project, write back. The
    hardware
    > > interface
    > > > to convert CKP into TTL (a signal the stamp can interpret), and
    > > the hardware
    > > > to interface your injectors, and ignition coil to the stamp is
    not
    > > too
    > > > difficult.......
    > > >
    > > > Ken
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    > >
    > >
    > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
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    > Body of the message will be ignored.
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 19:45
    In a message dated 1/22/2003 8:36:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
    billak@f... writes:

    > Well it's only a one cylinder engine. I thought about the speed, but
    > I figured since I'm only concerned with one cylinder, I should be
    > able to pull it off, as long as my external components react fast
    > enough. I have managed to make a spark happen, and signal my
    > injector, but because the SSR i was using had a 35 ohm drop on the
    > 12 volts to the coil and injector it was a very weak spark and the
    > injector hardly just clicked. I have a set of free SSRs on the way
    > with 0.7-1 ohm resistance.
    >
    > What do you have in mind for interfacing it? Have you done something
    > like this before? I have been thinking about it for a while and I
    > think it is possible enough to pursue. I will obviously need two
    > crankshaft position sensors, one to signal ignition time and one to
    > signal injection time. They will be at maximum advance, and the
    > stamp will have to be timing it.
    >
    >
    > Thanks,
    >

    I just moved into a new office and can't find my documentation. Once settled
    in I can give you some advice on driving the injector using a MOSFET and same
    for the ignition coil, or are you using a magneto?


    [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 22:27
    So are you doing the junior dragster thing?


    Original Message

    > Well the motor is a one cylinder four stroke engine. Redline RPM at
    > stock is 3600 RPM. If you run it faster than this stock it will most
    > certainly throw the connecting rod through the side of the block.
    > One I get this running, if possible I would like to make it turn
    > faster. (This can be accomplished safely by installing a high
    > strength racing connecting rod). But for now I'd like to have it
    > able to turn 3600 RPM. Idle is from 1000-1500 usually. Common
    > clutches engage at 2000 RPM.
    >
    > The reason I think it should be feasable is bacause since it is only
    > one cylinder, nothing will have to be happening simultaneous,
    > everything will be sequential. So if my stamp and my hardware
    > interfaces can react fast enough it will work.
    >
    > Also, like most cars today it will not be a problem that injection
    > and ignition will also occur on the opposite stroke that it needs
    > to. In electronically controlled automobiles, this is known
    > as "waste spark" and "waste injection". For example, ignition can
    > occur on both combustion and exhaust stroke. The fuel is not really
    > wasted though, it carries over into the next compression and
    > combustion cycle. Many four cylinder cars pair up spark plugs and
    > injectors for this reason, even though only one cylinder fires at a
    > time.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-22 23:11
    Sort of, I'm not in any sort of organized racing, but I love playing
    with these motors. I have a vintage Fox minibike that I ride around
    in the summer [noparse]:)[/noparse] It's a Tecumseh 3 horsepower flathead motor, but if
    I get this working, I might switch over to a bigger and/or more
    efficient engine like a overhead valve or overhead cam model.

    Bill



    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > So are you doing the junior dragster thing?
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    >
    > > Well the motor is a one cylinder four stroke engine. Redline RPM
    at
    > > stock is 3600 RPM. If you run it faster than this stock it will
    most
    > > certainly throw the connecting rod through the side of the block.
    > > One I get this running, if possible I would like to make it turn
    > > faster. (This can be accomplished safely by installing a high
    > > strength racing connecting rod). But for now I'd like to have it
    > > able to turn 3600 RPM. Idle is from 1000-1500 usually. Common
    > > clutches engage at 2000 RPM.
    > >
    > > The reason I think it should be feasable is bacause since it is
    only
    > > one cylinder, nothing will have to be happening simultaneous,
    > > everything will be sequential. So if my stamp and my hardware
    > > interfaces can react fast enough it will work.
    > >
    > > Also, like most cars today it will not be a problem that
    injection
    > > and ignition will also occur on the opposite stroke that it needs
    > > to. In electronically controlled automobiles, this is known
    > > as "waste spark" and "waste injection". For example, ignition can
    > > occur on both combustion and exhaust stroke. The fuel is not
    really
    > > wasted though, it carries over into the next compression and
    > > combustion cycle. Many four cylinder cars pair up spark plugs and
    > > injectors for this reason, even though only one cylinder fires
    at a
    > > time.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-01-23 19:48
    http://www.digikey.com/
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    http://www.herbach.com/
    Original Message
    From: <billak@f...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:11 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Controlling outside load


    > Well I'm getting free "samples" of the SSR I was going to use from
    > the company that makes them.
    > Would a MOSFET or transistor react faster? I think the reaction time
    > on these relays is like 1 ms.
    >
    > About the Hall sensor, now that I think about it, I think Chrysler
    > used them to tell when their 2.2 and 2.5 liter "K" car type and
    > minivan engines were turning. They put it in the distributor I think.
    >
    > Where do you guys buy your electronic components like this? Radio
    > Shack doesn't have Smile anymore.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Bill
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Peakall"
    > <jpeakall@m...> wrote:
    > > Bill,
    > >
    > > SSR are pretty expensive, and you could use a much less expensive
    > transistor
    > > or mofset or something along those lines.
    > >
    > > To detect crank shaft position, how about a tiny NIB magnet and a
    > Hall
    > > sensor.
    > >
    > > Jonathan
    > >
    > > www.madlabs.info
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: <billak@f...>
    > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:34 AM
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Controlling outside load
    > >
    > >
    > > > Hi, I'm sort of a newbie at Basic Stamps, I got mine a few years
    > ago
    > > > and never did anything with it.
    > > >
    > > > I'm using a Basic Stamp II to build a small engine controller.
    > What
    > > > is a common way to control outside loads, such as a fuel injector
    > > > which runs on 12V DC? I also need to be able to pulse 12V DC
    > through
    > > > a step up coil to make a spark across a spark plug. Currently I'm
    > > > planning to use small solid state relays, and pulse them on and
    > off.
    > > > I would use a separate 12 volt supply, and simply use the stamp
    > to
    > > > switch them.
    > > >
    > > > Is there a better, more civilized way to do this? Would some
    > sort of
    > > > digital "driver" be better? I'm not sure how these "drivers"
    > work.
    > > >
    > > > Also, I need a way to detect crankshaft position exactly. I was
    > > > thinking of small relay coils mounted beside the shaft, with a
    > small
    > > > magnet stuck to the shaft, so when it passes, it induces current
    > in
    > > > the coil and tells the stamp to trigger the spark or injection at
    > > > the right time.
    > > > I am sure there is a better way to do this as well...
    > > >
    > > > I would appreciate any advice I can get on this,
    > > >
    > > > Thanks
    > > >
    > > > Bill
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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