Laptop from Hell
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Hi all,
I have been trying to get the editor version 1.33 or 1.33b to work on a
Toshiba 440 CDT laptop. I've tried '95 and '98. I can get the DOS editor to
work fine, but the "identify" command in the v1.33 can loop and feedback,
but doesn't see the device or program it. Any ideas? I thought putting '98
on it would do it. Dang.
Jonathan
I have been trying to get the editor version 1.33 or 1.33b to work on a
Toshiba 440 CDT laptop. I've tried '95 and '98. I can get the DOS editor to
work fine, but the "identify" command in the v1.33 can loop and feedback,
but doesn't see the device or program it. Any ideas? I thought putting '98
on it would do it. Dang.
Jonathan
Comments
worked fine stand-alone, but not with the docking station. Other stuff like
my Atmel board, Palm and modem work fine with the docking station.
Have you confirmed the port checks OK in Winders with a modem or some other
serial device?
Are you sure not I/R or Palm device com drivers are loaded?
There can be all sorts of headaches with laptops and serial ports due to I/R
ports, PCMCIA stuff and power management, especially on a fresh Windows
install. Sometimes stuff works in DOS, but not in Windows until you get
things squared away.
When you say the DOS editor works fine, are you running it from Windows or
are you booting to DOS?
First, I would check my CMOS setup to make sure the serial port has a hard
address such as 02F8, and is not set to auto. This will make Windows mix up
the port / com address.
As a side note, all I heard from disgruntled laptop customers at AST was "it
works on my Toshiba!" Now I can say "It runs on my AST!" (and my Dell)
<grin>
Original Message
> I have been trying to get the editor version 1.33 or 1.33b to work on a
> Toshiba 440 CDT laptop. I've tried '95 and '98. I can get the DOS editor
to
> work fine, but the "identify" command in the v1.33 can loop and feedback,
> but doesn't see the device or program it. Any ideas? I thought putting '98
> on it would do it. Dang.
certain ones work. Parallax suggests the BAFO Technologies adapter, and I
found an IOGEAR USB to Serial adapter to work. I couldn't get my Belkin
adapters to work.
Lee
Original Message
From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:59 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Laptop from Hell
> Hi all,
>
> I have been trying to get the editor version 1.33 or 1.33b to work on a
> Toshiba 440 CDT laptop. I've tried '95 and '98. I can get the DOS editor
to
> work fine, but the "identify" command in the v1.33 can loop and feedback,
> but doesn't see the device or program it. Any ideas? I thought putting '98
> on it would do it. Dang.
>
> Jonathan
>
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Original Message
From: "Lee Mairs" <lmairs@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Laptop from Hell
> I had the same problem also. If you are using a USB-Serial adapter, only
> certain ones work. Parallax suggests the BAFO Technologies adapter, and I
> found an IOGEAR USB to Serial adapter to work. I couldn't get my Belkin
> adapters to work.
> Lee
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:59 PM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Laptop from Hell
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have been trying to get the editor version 1.33 or 1.33b to work on a
> > Toshiba 440 CDT laptop. I've tried '95 and '98. I can get the DOS
editor
> to
> > work fine, but the "identify" command in the v1.33 can loop and
feedback,
> > but doesn't see the device or program it. Any ideas? I thought putting
'98
> > on it would do it. Dang.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
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Straight through on the cable hook up. I'll dig up another device to test,
but I think it's somewhere in the port settings. I have removed the IR stuff
and so on, and tried various port settings in the bios. Boy, this is turning
into a WinBlows classic.
Thnaks for the help,
Jonathan
Original Message
From: "Rodent" <daweasel@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Laptop from Hell
> You got the cable hooked straight up or through a docking station? My Dell
> worked fine stand-alone, but not with the docking station. Other stuff
like
> my Atmel board, Palm and modem work fine with the docking station.
>
> Have you confirmed the port checks OK in Winders with a modem or some
other
> serial device?
>
> Are you sure not I/R or Palm device com drivers are loaded?
>
> There can be all sorts of headaches with laptops and serial ports due to
I/R
> ports, PCMCIA stuff and power management, especially on a fresh Windows
> install. Sometimes stuff works in DOS, but not in Windows until you get
> things squared away.
>
> When you say the DOS editor works fine, are you running it from Windows or
> are you booting to DOS?
>
> First, I would check my CMOS setup to make sure the serial port has a hard
> address such as 02F8, and is not set to auto. This will make Windows mix
up
> the port / com address.
>
> As a side note, all I heard from disgruntled laptop customers at AST was
"it
> works on my Toshiba!" Now I can say "It runs on my AST!" (and my Dell)
> <grin>
>
>
Original Message
>
> > I have been trying to get the editor version 1.33 or 1.33b to work on a
> > Toshiba 440 CDT laptop. I've tried '95 and '98. I can get the DOS
editor
> to
> > work fine, but the "identify" command in the v1.33 can loop and
feedback,
> > but doesn't see the device or program it. Any ideas? I thought putting
'98
> > on it would do it. Dang.
>
>
>
>
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>
off -- so, what you want to do is set the serial port to COM1 or 03F8, and
the I/R to COM2 or 02F8 in the BIOS. Let Winders detect the I/R port, then
go in and disable it (don't delete it) in Windows. If you have an internal
modem you may need to disable it as well.
Reboot and go into Windows and do this:
Click START, RUN and type COMMAND, then press ENTER. This will take you to a
DOS prompt.
Type DEBUG and press ENTER -- you will see a '-' prompt. Type D0:0400 and
press ENTER. Make sure you use the number zero and not a letter O. This will
display the ports as DOS sees them from Windows. The first line will look
something like this:
0000:0400 F8 03 00 00 00 00 00 00-78 03 00 00 00 00 80 9F
........x.......
See the F8 03 -- this is COM1 -- it should be in this position. If you had a
second port set up as COM2, it would have F8 02 in the next two pairs of
digits. COM3 and COM4 would be after this. Anyhow, if you see something
other than F8 03 in the first two pairs of digits, Windows has assigned the
wrong address to COM1, and most likely this is because the BIOS setting for
COM1 is set to auto.
Type Q and press ENTER to quit and return to DOS.
Original Message
> Straight through on the cable hook up. I'll dig up another device to test,
> but I think it's somewhere in the port settings. I have removed the IR
stuff
> and so on, and tried various port settings in the bios. Boy, this is
turning
> into a WinBlows classic.
> > You got the cable hooked straight up or through a docking station? My
Dell
> > worked fine stand-alone, but not with the docking station. Other stuff
> like
> > my Atmel board, Palm and modem work fine with the docking station.
> >
> > Have you confirmed the port checks OK in Winders with a modem or some
> other
> > serial device?
> >
> > Are you sure not I/R or Palm device com drivers are loaded?
> >
> > There can be all sorts of headaches with laptops and serial ports due to
> I/R
> > ports, PCMCIA stuff and power management, especially on a fresh Windows
> > install. Sometimes stuff works in DOS, but not in Windows until you get
> > things squared away.
> >
> > When you say the DOS editor works fine, are you running it from Windows
or
> > are you booting to DOS?
> >
> > First, I would check my CMOS setup to make sure the serial port has a
hard
> > address such as 02F8, and is not set to auto. This will make Windows mix
> up
> > the port / com address.
Smile! The first pair is as you say it should be. Thanks though! Just in
case, here is the whole line:
0000:0400 F8 03 F8 02 00 00 00 00-73 03 00 00 00 00 0B 02
Jonathan
Original Message
From: "Rodent" <daweasel@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Laptop from Hell
> Keep in mind Windows will find the built-in I/R port even if its turned
> off -- so, what you want to do is set the serial port to COM1 or 03F8, and
> the I/R to COM2 or 02F8 in the BIOS. Let Winders detect the I/R port, then
> go in and disable it (don't delete it) in Windows. If you have an internal
> modem you may need to disable it as well.
>
> Reboot and go into Windows and do this:
>
> Click START, RUN and type COMMAND, then press ENTER. This will take you to
a
> DOS prompt.
>
> Type DEBUG and press ENTER -- you will see a '-' prompt. Type D0:0400 and
> press ENTER. Make sure you use the number zero and not a letter O. This
will
> display the ports as DOS sees them from Windows. The first line will look
> something like this:
>
> 0000:0400 F8 03 00 00 00 00 00 00-78 03 00 00 00 00 80 9F
> ........x.......
>
> See the F8 03 -- this is COM1 -- it should be in this position. If you had
a
> second port set up as COM2, it would have F8 02 in the next two pairs of
> digits. COM3 and COM4 would be after this. Anyhow, if you see something
> other than F8 03 in the first two pairs of digits, Windows has assigned
the
> wrong address to COM1, and most likely this is because the BIOS setting
for
> COM1 is set to auto.
>
> Type Q and press ENTER to quit and return to DOS.
>
>
Original Message
>
> > Straight through on the cable hook up. I'll dig up another device to
test,
> > but I think it's somewhere in the port settings. I have removed the IR
> stuff
> > and so on, and tried various port settings in the bios. Boy, this is
> turning
> > into a WinBlows classic.
>
> > > You got the cable hooked straight up or through a docking station? My
> Dell
> > > worked fine stand-alone, but not with the docking station. Other stuff
> > like
> > > my Atmel board, Palm and modem work fine with the docking station.
> > >
> > > Have you confirmed the port checks OK in Winders with a modem or some
> > other
> > > serial device?
> > >
> > > Are you sure not I/R or Palm device com drivers are loaded?
> > >
> > > There can be all sorts of headaches with laptops and serial ports due
to
> > I/R
> > > ports, PCMCIA stuff and power management, especially on a fresh
Windows
> > > install. Sometimes stuff works in DOS, but not in Windows until you
get
> > > things squared away.
> > >
> > > When you say the DOS editor works fine, are you running it from
Windows
> or
> > > are you booting to DOS?
> > >
> > > First, I would check my CMOS setup to make sure the serial port has a
> hard
> > > address such as 02F8, and is not set to auto. This will make Windows
mix
> > up
> > > the port / com address.
>
>
>
>
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OK. If I remember right, the model of laptop you have is older, but I don't
think anyone asked -- you do have a 9-pin male connector on the back of the
laptop labeled serial or 010101, and this is where the programming cable is
connected, correct? Also, any idea what the second port is? Do you have an
I/R port?
Also, are you using a homemade cable or PC board for the Stamp, or are they
Parallax items?
In DEVICE MANAGER, under PORTS (COM & LPT), how many devices are listed? Do
any have a red X or yellow exclamation point?
Original Message
> Smile! The first pair is as you say it should be. Thanks though! Just in
> case, here is the whole line:
>
> 0000:0400 F8 03 F8 02 00 00 00 00-73 03 00 00 00 00 0B 02
> > Keep in mind Windows will find the built-in I/R port even if its turned
> > off -- so, what you want to do is set the serial port to COM1 or 03F8,
and
> > the I/R to COM2 or 02F8 in the BIOS. Let Winders detect the I/R port,
then
> > go in and disable it (don't delete it) in Windows. If you have an
internal
> > modem you may need to disable it as well.
> >
> > Reboot and go into Windows and do this:
> >
> > Click START, RUN and type COMMAND, then press ENTER. This will take you
to
> a
> > DOS prompt.
> >
> > Type DEBUG and press ENTER -- you will see a '-' prompt. Type D0:0400
and
> > press ENTER. Make sure you use the number zero and not a letter O. This
> will
> > display the ports as DOS sees them from Windows. The first line will
look
> > something like this:
> >
> > 0000:0400 F8 03 00 00 00 00 00 00-78 03 00 00 00 00 80 9F
> > ........x.......
> >
> > See the F8 03 -- this is COM1 -- it should be in this position. If you
had
> a
> > second port set up as COM2, it would have F8 02 in the next two pairs of
> > digits. COM3 and COM4 would be after this. Anyhow, if you see something
> > other than F8 03 in the first two pairs of digits, Windows has assigned
> the
> > wrong address to COM1, and most likely this is because the BIOS setting
> for
> > COM1 is set to auto.
> >
> > Type Q and press ENTER to quit and return to DOS.