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The new BS2pe model

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-11-23 04:19 in General Discussion
Greetings!

How about a bit more info about this chip?

It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?

Speed?

Power consumption?

What about Working temperatures?
(I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)

Any other differences?

:-)
Trygve

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-21 15:21
    Trygve,

    I will forward the complete specifications to your email address.
    The same documentation will also be posted on the web site under Downloads/BASIC
    Stamp Modules
    Comparison.

    Here are the main specs that you requested-

    Processor Speed 8MHz turbo
    Current draw at 5V 15mA Run / 60µA Sleep
    Source / Sink Current per I/O 30 mA / 30 mA
    Source / Current per unit 60 mA / 60 mA per 8 I/O pins
    Environment 0º - 70º C* (32º - 158º F) **
    It isn't available with the industrial temperature range.

    The BS2PE is ideal for datalogging applications, low power applications, and for
    programs that
    require the use of tables (EEPROM = 16 x 2K Bytes (16 K for source).



    Erik Wood
    Parallax, Inc.
    599 Menlo Dr., Suite #100
    Rocklin, CA 95765
    (916) 624-8333
    www.parallax.com

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    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] The new BS2pe model


    Greetings!

    How about a bit more info about this chip?

    It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?

    Speed?

    Power consumption?

    What about Working temperatures?
    (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)

    Any other differences?

    :-)
    Trygve

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-21 15:28
    are they shipping yet??


    Original Message
    From: "Erik Wood" <ewood@p...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:21 AM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] The new BS2pe model


    Trygve,

    I will forward the complete specifications to your email address.
    The same documentation will also be posted on the web site under
    Downloads/BASIC Stamp Modules
    Comparison.

    Here are the main specs that you requested-

    Processor Speed 8MHz turbo
    Current draw at 5V 15mA Run / 60µA Sleep
    Source / Sink Current per I/O 30 mA / 30 mA
    Source / Current per unit 60 mA / 60 mA per 8 I/O pins
    Environment 0º - 70º C* (32º - 158º F) **
    It isn't available with the industrial temperature range.

    The BS2PE is ideal for datalogging applications, low power applications, and
    for programs that
    require the use of tables (EEPROM = 16 x 2K Bytes (16 K for source).



    Erik Wood
    Parallax, Inc.
    599 Menlo Dr., Suite #100
    Rocklin, CA 95765
    (916) 624-8333
    www.parallax.com

    Original Message
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    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:29 AM
    To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] The new BS2pe model


    Greetings!

    How about a bit more info about this chip?

    It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?

    Speed?

    Power consumption?

    What about Working temperatures?
    (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)

    Any other differences?

    :-)
    Trygve

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-21 15:59
    The BS2pe is a low-current version of the BS2p. Here are some specifics for
    those that are interested:

    * Package: 24-pin DIP
    * Environment: 0 - 70 C (32 - 158 F)
    * Microcontroller: Scenix SX48AC
    * Processor Speed: 8 MHz, Turbo
    * Program Execution Speed: ~6000 instructions/second
    * RAM Size: 38 Bytes (12 I/O, 26 variables)
    * Scratchpad RAM: 128 Bytes
    * EEPROM (Program) Size: 8 x 2K, ~4000 instructions (slots 0 - 7)
    * EEPROM (Storage) Size: 8 x 2K (slots 8 - 15)
    * I/O Pins: 16 + 2 dedicated serial (programming port)
    * Voltage Requirements: 5 - 12 vdc
    * Current draw @ 5V: 15 mA Run / 60 uA Sleep
    * PBASIC Commands: 55

    Some important notes:

    The BS2pe has 16 banks, but only eight can be used for programs. The other
    eight are available for run-time storage and retrieval of data. The storage
    slot is selected with STORE, then WRITE and READ can be used.

    The BS2pe is not fast enough to Overdrive 1-Wire communications -- standard
    1-Wire comm speed is okay.

    The BS2pe is targeted at datalogging apps, but with it's feature set and low
    current operation, it is great for robotics and other battery-powered
    applications.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax


    In a message dated 11/21/02 3:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
    trygve.henriksen@v... writes:


    > Greetings!
    >
    > How about a bit more info about this chip?
    >
    > It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?
    >
    > Speed?
    >
    > Power consumption?
    >
    > What about Working temperatures?
    > (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)
    >
    > Any other differences?
    >




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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-21 16:03
    Yes.
    ~150 are currently available for shipment

    Part # BS2PE
    Qty. 1 Price $79.00

    Erik Wood
    Parallax, Inc.
    599 Menlo Dr., Suite #100
    Rocklin, CA 95765
    (916) 624-8333
    www.parallax.com

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    are they shipping yet??


    Original Message
    From: "Erik Wood" <ewood@p...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:21 AM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] The new BS2pe model


    Trygve,

    I will forward the complete specifications to your email address.
    The same documentation will also be posted on the web site under
    Downloads/BASIC Stamp Modules
    Comparison.

    Here are the main specs that you requested-

    Processor Speed 8MHz turbo
    Current draw at 5V 15mA Run / 60µA Sleep
    Source / Sink Current per I/O 30 mA / 30 mA
    Source / Current per unit 60 mA / 60 mA per 8 I/O pins
    Environment 0º - 70º C* (32º - 158º F) **
    It isn't available with the industrial temperature range.

    The BS2PE is ideal for datalogging applications, low power applications, and
    for programs that
    require the use of tables (EEPROM = 16 x 2K Bytes (16 K for source).



    Erik Wood
    Parallax, Inc.
    599 Menlo Dr., Suite #100
    Rocklin, CA 95765
    (916) 624-8333
    www.parallax.com

    Original Message
    From: Trygve Henriksen [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=b4EnP83IriNRY3sujScuzGQbhIrTewcqALuQoQNEjRMP3ojH5jsSjWn-Im0pk2Kn67bn5D43NBKQC_7A-8QnvxJXTKlB]trygve.henriksen@v...[/url
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:29 AM
    To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] The new BS2pe model


    Greetings!

    How about a bit more info about this chip?

    It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?

    Speed?

    Power consumption?

    What about Working temperatures?
    (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)

    Any other differences?

    :-)
    Trygve

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-21 17:30
    One unique aspect of the BS2pe shows up in SLEEP or END. It can
    consume considerably less power than previous Stamp IIs, because it
    has a much shorter wakeup interval. When you use a command like
    SLEEP 60, the Stamp wakes up at 2 second intervals to check status
    and to see if the 60 second interval is up. During that brief
    interval of about 16 milliseconds every two seconds, it consumes much
    more power, and on the average that is a significant part of the
    current drain. On the BS2pe, the wakeup interval is reduced to less
    than one millisecond, so the long term average current in SLEEP is
    much less. For low power or solar powered data loggers, that can
    extend battery life and increase reliability. I really want to thank
    Chuck Gracey for including that little modification.

    I have an article posted at
    http://www.emesystems.com/BS2pe.htm
    mainly about the power consumption.

    -- regards,
    Tracy Allen
    electronically monitored ecosystems
    mailto:tracy@e...
    http://www.emesystems.com


    >The BS2pe is a low-current version of the BS2p. Here are some specifics for
    >those that are interested:
    >
    >* Package: 24-pin DIP
    >* Environment: 0 - 70 C (32 - 158 F)
    >* Microcontroller: Scenix SX48AC
    >* Processor Speed: 8 MHz, Turbo
    >* Program Execution Speed: ~6000 instructions/second
    >* RAM Size: 38 Bytes (12 I/O, 26 variables)
    >* Scratchpad RAM: 128 Bytes
    >* EEPROM (Program) Size: 8 x 2K, ~4000 instructions (slots 0 - 7)
    >* EEPROM (Storage) Size: 8 x 2K (slots 8 - 15)
    >* I/O Pins: 16 + 2 dedicated serial (programming port)
    >* Voltage Requirements: 5 - 12 vdc
    >* Current draw @ 5V: 15 mA Run / 60 uA Sleep
    >* PBASIC Commands: 55
    >
    >Some important notes:
    >
    >The BS2pe has 16 banks, but only eight can be used for programs. The other
    >eight are available for run-time storage and retrieval of data. The storage
    >slot is selected with STORE, then WRITE and READ can be used.
    >
    >The BS2pe is not fast enough to Overdrive 1-Wire communications -- standard
    >1-Wire comm speed is okay.
    >
    >The BS2pe is targeted at datalogging apps, but with it's feature set and low
    >current operation, it is great for robotics and other battery-powered
    >applications.
    >
    >-- Jon Williams
    >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    >
    >
    >In a message dated 11/21/02 3:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
    >trygve.henriksen@v... writes:
    >
    >
    > > Greetings!
    > >
    > > How about a bit more info about this chip?
    > >
    > > It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?
    > >
    > > Speed?
    > >
    > > Power consumption?
    > >
    > > What about Working temperatures?
    > > (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)
    > >
    > Any other differences?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-21 18:47
    How about for those speed hungry stampers a verson of the BS2p40
    running at 50 Mhz. The ubicom data sheet indicates it is supported.
    Changing some timing parameters for pause, debug, ect seems like it
    wouldn't take much effort. A power supply design change may be
    required to support the ubicom at 50 Mhz. IIRC the Javelin stamp uses
    a switching supply because of the power it requires. A little cutting
    and pasting of schematics and some code tweaks and you could sell a
    speed demon for $130. I would buy a few. Also, will the interpter
    chip for the BS2pe be available to buy in the furure?

    Jason

    > >The BS2pe is a low-current version of the BS2p. Here are some
    specifics for
    > >those that are interested:
    > >
    > >* Package: 24-pin DIP
    > >* Environment: 0 - 70 C (32 - 158 F)
    > >* Microcontroller: Scenix SX48AC
    > >* Processor Speed: 8 MHz, Turbo
    > >* Program Execution Speed: ~6000 instructions/second
    > >* RAM Size: 38 Bytes (12 I/O, 26 variables)
    > >* Scratchpad RAM: 128 Bytes
    > >* EEPROM (Program) Size: 8 x 2K, ~4000 instructions (slots 0 - 7)
    > >* EEPROM (Storage) Size: 8 x 2K (slots 8 - 15)
    > >* I/O Pins: 16 + 2 dedicated serial (programming port)
    > >* Voltage Requirements: 5 - 12 vdc
    > >* Current draw @ 5V: 15 mA Run / 60 uA Sleep
    > >* PBASIC Commands: 55
    > >
    > >Some important notes:
    > >
    > >The BS2pe has 16 banks, but only eight can be used for programs.
    The other
    > >eight are available for run-time storage and retrieval of data.
    The storage
    > >slot is selected with STORE, then WRITE and READ can be used.
    > >
    > >The BS2pe is not fast enough to Overdrive 1-Wire communications --
    standard
    > >1-Wire comm speed is okay.
    > >
    > >The BS2pe is targeted at datalogging apps, but with it's feature
    set and low
    > >current operation, it is great for robotics and other battery-
    powered
    > >applications.
    > >
    > >-- Jon Williams
    > >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > >
    > >
    > >In a message dated 11/21/02 3:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
    > >trygve.henriksen@v... writes:
    > >
    > >
    > > > Greetings!
    > > >
    > > > How about a bit more info about this chip?
    > > >
    > > > It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?
    > > >
    > > > Speed?
    > > >
    > > > Power consumption?
    > > >
    > > > What about Working temperatures?
    > > > (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)
    > > >
    > > Any other differences?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-21 19:41
    Jason,

    It looks like you feel the need for speed!

    The BS2pe interpreter chips will be available soon for individual purchasing.
    We will announce
    their availability on our home page.

    Since I'm not a technical guru, I'll forward the request to our engineering
    staff to see if your
    requests are feasible.
    Maybe Jon Williams can jump in and help me out?!


    Erik Wood
    Parallax, Inc.
    599 Menlo Dr., Suite #100
    Rocklin, CA 95765
    (916) 624-8333
    www.parallax.com

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    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:48 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model


    How about for those speed hungry stampers a verson of the BS2p40
    running at 50 Mhz. The ubicom data sheet indicates it is supported.
    Changing some timing parameters for pause, debug, ect seems like it
    wouldn't take much effort. A power supply design change may be
    required to support the ubicom at 50 Mhz. IIRC the Javelin stamp uses
    a switching supply because of the power it requires. A little cutting
    and pasting of schematics and some code tweaks and you could sell a
    speed demon for $130. I would buy a few. Also, will the interpter
    chip for the BS2pe be available to buy in the furure?

    Jason

    > >The BS2pe is a low-current version of the BS2p. Here are some
    specifics for
    > >those that are interested:
    > >
    > >* Package: 24-pin DIP
    > >* Environment: 0 - 70 C (32 - 158 F)
    > >* Microcontroller: Scenix SX48AC
    > >* Processor Speed: 8 MHz, Turbo
    > >* Program Execution Speed: ~6000 instructions/second
    > >* RAM Size: 38 Bytes (12 I/O, 26 variables)
    > >* Scratchpad RAM: 128 Bytes
    > >* EEPROM (Program) Size: 8 x 2K, ~4000 instructions (slots 0 - 7)
    > >* EEPROM (Storage) Size: 8 x 2K (slots 8 - 15)
    > >* I/O Pins: 16 + 2 dedicated serial (programming port)
    > >* Voltage Requirements: 5 - 12 vdc
    > >* Current draw @ 5V: 15 mA Run / 60 uA Sleep
    > >* PBASIC Commands: 55
    > >
    > >Some important notes:
    > >
    > >The BS2pe has 16 banks, but only eight can be used for programs.
    The other
    > >eight are available for run-time storage and retrieval of data.
    The storage
    > >slot is selected with STORE, then WRITE and READ can be used.
    > >
    > >The BS2pe is not fast enough to Overdrive 1-Wire communications --
    standard
    > >1-Wire comm speed is okay.
    > >
    > >The BS2pe is targeted at datalogging apps, but with it's feature
    set and low
    > >current operation, it is great for robotics and other battery-
    powered
    > >applications.
    > >
    > >-- Jon Williams
    > >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > >
    > >
    > >In a message dated 11/21/02 3:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
    > >trygve.henriksen@v... writes:
    > >
    > >
    > > > Greetings!
    > > >
    > > > How about a bit more info about this chip?
    > > >
    > > > It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?
    > > >
    > > > Speed?
    > > >
    > > > Power consumption?
    > > >
    > > > What about Working temperatures?
    > > > (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)
    > > >
    > > Any other differences?


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-22 02:11
    I think the problem is at 50mhz it draws about 140-160ma.
    Thus it needs a TO-220 voltage regulator to run at that speed.
    You'd likely have to have a small heat sink on the regulator
    to keep it from overheating too.
    Speed typically means more power consumption.
    They'd have to make the chip without a regulator, thus actually it may be
    better to make it a OEM version and let the user manufacture their own PCB's
    for it. Actually, a 75mhz OEM version would be sweeter.


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    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:48 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model


    How about for those speed hungry stampers a verson of the BS2p40
    running at 50 Mhz. The ubicom data sheet indicates it is supported.
    Changing some timing parameters for pause, debug, ect seems like it
    wouldn't take much effort. A power supply design change may be
    required to support the ubicom at 50 Mhz. IIRC the Javelin stamp uses
    a switching supply because of the power it requires. A little cutting
    and pasting of schematics and some code tweaks and you could sell a
    speed demon for $130. I would buy a few. Also, will the interpter
    chip for the BS2pe be available to buy in the furure?

    Jason

    > >The BS2pe is a low-current version of the BS2p. Here are some
    specifics for
    > >those that are interested:
    > >
    > >* Package: 24-pin DIP
    > >* Environment: 0 - 70 C (32 - 158 F)
    > >* Microcontroller: Scenix SX48AC
    > >* Processor Speed: 8 MHz, Turbo
    > >* Program Execution Speed: ~6000 instructions/second
    > >* RAM Size: 38 Bytes (12 I/O, 26 variables)
    > >* Scratchpad RAM: 128 Bytes
    > >* EEPROM (Program) Size: 8 x 2K, ~4000 instructions (slots 0 - 7)
    > >* EEPROM (Storage) Size: 8 x 2K (slots 8 - 15)
    > >* I/O Pins: 16 + 2 dedicated serial (programming port)
    > >* Voltage Requirements: 5 - 12 vdc
    > >* Current draw @ 5V: 15 mA Run / 60 uA Sleep
    > >* PBASIC Commands: 55
    > >
    > >Some important notes:
    > >
    > >The BS2pe has 16 banks, but only eight can be used for programs.
    The other
    > >eight are available for run-time storage and retrieval of data.
    The storage
    > >slot is selected with STORE, then WRITE and READ can be used.
    > >
    > >The BS2pe is not fast enough to Overdrive 1-Wire communications --
    standard
    > >1-Wire comm speed is okay.
    > >
    > >The BS2pe is targeted at datalogging apps, but with it's feature
    set and low
    > >current operation, it is great for robotics and other battery-
    powered
    > >applications.
    > >
    > >-- Jon Williams
    > >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > >
    > >
    > >In a message dated 11/21/02 3:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
    > >trygve.henriksen@v... writes:
    > >
    > >
    > > > Greetings!
    > > >
    > > > How about a bit more info about this chip?
    > > >
    > > > It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?
    > > >
    > > > Speed?
    > > >
    > > > Power consumption?
    > > >
    > > > What about Working temperatures?
    > > > (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)
    > > >
    > > Any other differences?


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-22 04:15
    TO-220 linear regulator!!!!!!!! Thats 1/3 the size of a stamp
    alone!!!

    Step into the realm of switching regulators. A SOT23-5 switching
    regulator switching at 1.4 Mhz with an output current of 400 mA at 5V
    and a max input voltage of 12 V can be 90% efficient and take up less
    board space that the body of your TO-220. Think small. Who needs a
    heatsink??? With an 8 pin SOIC switching regulator outputs of up to 5
    A are common.

    Take a look at the Javelin stamp. It uses a switching regulator.

    Jason

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    > I think the problem is at 50mhz it draws about 140-160ma.
    > Thus it needs a TO-220 voltage regulator to run at that speed.
    > You'd likely have to have a small heat sink on the regulator
    > to keep it from overheating too.
    > Speed typically means more power consumption.
    > They'd have to make the chip without a regulator, thus actually it
    may be
    > better to make it a OEM version and let the user manufacture their
    own PCB's
    > for it. Actually, a 75mhz OEM version would be sweeter.
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: jbirnsch [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:jbirnsch@v...]
    > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:48 PM
    > To: basicstamps@y...
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model
    >
    >
    > How about for those speed hungry stampers a verson of the BS2p40
    > running at 50 Mhz. The ubicom data sheet indicates it is supported.
    > Changing some timing parameters for pause, debug, ect seems like it
    > wouldn't take much effort. A power supply design change may be
    > required to support the ubicom at 50 Mhz. IIRC the Javelin stamp
    uses
    > a switching supply because of the power it requires. A little
    cutting
    > and pasting of schematics and some code tweaks and you could sell a
    > speed demon for $130. I would buy a few. Also, will the interpter
    > chip for the BS2pe be available to buy in the furure?
    >
    > Jason
    >
    > > >The BS2pe is a low-current version of the BS2p. Here are some
    > specifics for
    > > >those that are interested:
    > > >
    > > >* Package: 24-pin DIP
    > > >* Environment: 0 - 70 C (32 - 158 F)
    > > >* Microcontroller: Scenix SX48AC
    > > >* Processor Speed: 8 MHz, Turbo
    > > >* Program Execution Speed: ~6000 instructions/second
    > > >* RAM Size: 38 Bytes (12 I/O, 26 variables)
    > > >* Scratchpad RAM: 128 Bytes
    > > >* EEPROM (Program) Size: 8 x 2K, ~4000 instructions (slots 0 - 7)
    > > >* EEPROM (Storage) Size: 8 x 2K (slots 8 - 15)
    > > >* I/O Pins: 16 + 2 dedicated serial (programming port)
    > > >* Voltage Requirements: 5 - 12 vdc
    > > >* Current draw @ 5V: 15 mA Run / 60 uA Sleep
    > > >* PBASIC Commands: 55
    > > >
    > > >Some important notes:
    > > >
    > > >The BS2pe has 16 banks, but only eight can be used for programs.
    > The other
    > > >eight are available for run-time storage and retrieval of data.
    > The storage
    > > >slot is selected with STORE, then WRITE and READ can be used.
    > > >
    > > >The BS2pe is not fast enough to Overdrive 1-Wire communications -
    -
    > standard
    > > >1-Wire comm speed is okay.
    > > >
    > > >The BS2pe is targeted at datalogging apps, but with it's feature
    > set and low
    > > >current operation, it is great for robotics and other battery-
    > powered
    > > >applications.
    > > >
    > > >-- Jon Williams
    > > >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >In a message dated 11/21/02 3:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
    > > >trygve.henriksen@v... writes:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > > Greetings!
    > > > >
    > > > > How about a bit more info about this chip?
    > > > >
    > > > > It says it has 32KB EEPROM, but how is it organised?
    > > > >
    > > > > Speed?
    > > > >
    > > > > Power consumption?
    > > > >
    > > > > What about Working temperatures?
    > > > > (I could use a BS2p with extended temperature range :-)
    > > > >
    > > > Any other differences?
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-22 12:19
    You left out the important part in your snipping.
    It was to power a BS2Pxxx running at 50-75mhz.
    At that clock speed a Scenix Ubicom chip (which is what the BS2p uses) sucks
    about 140-225ma of current at idle.
    Obviously the only logical course is to use a OEM chip set and make your own
    PCB for it.
    A TO-220 like package at least, would be needed because of the power drain.
    A Switching regulator is nice but they usually are much more expensive.
    Especially having to provide
    about 500ma at the least to the PCB.


    Original Message
    From: Trygve Henriksen [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=IWUllg4VIyIMnWobVuJ576nB2KMGU3FnpmbbsMc8xKxeclWkyFd2qgfKx7fcTUdmw9eM6b6AVzvCayJv0klhgf6i]trygve.henriksen@v...[/url
    Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:05 AM
    To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
    Subject: SV: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model


    Greetings!

    Do you know what a switching regulator with associated components costs?

    Hands up everyone who would pay $100 for the BS2px(x for eXtreme [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    An alternative would be to use an external, regulated PSU...

    :-)
    Trygve

    Opprinnelig melding
    Fra: jbirnsch [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=BqT9uiTFJ3HzkyOkzKCT7QJf0V_VZJqy_vXVI5dYn6cwQ03cloHpjO8deUXe87_dqSLyv1Ke]jbirnsch@v...[/url
    Sendt: 22. november 2002 05:15
    Til: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Emne: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model


    TO-220 linear regulator!!!!!!!! Thats 1/3 the size of a stamp
    alone!!!

    Step into the realm of switching regulators. A SOT23-5 switching
    regulator switching at 1.4 Mhz with an output current of 400 mA at 5V
    and a max input voltage of 12 V can be 90% efficient and take up less
    board space that the body of your TO-220. Think small. Who needs a
    heatsink??? With an 8 pin SOIC switching regulator outputs of up to 5
    A are common.

    Take a look at the Javelin stamp. It uses a switching regulator.

    Jason

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-22 19:42
    Earl,

    I'm talking about the onboard power supply that the stamp has, not an
    external supply used to power the stamp. If you apply 7.5V to Vin on
    the stamp, it must regulate it down to 5V. Currently the BS2p40 uses
    a LT1121 which has 150 mA output. If you take a look at the Javelin
    stamp the onboard regulator is a switching supply because of the
    current it requires. An external regulator could be anything you have
    laying around the lab such as linear or switching for supplying 5 V
    to the Vdd pin of the stamp.

    The max frequency that the SX48 can run at is 50Mhz. Look at page 25
    of the SX48 datasheet. Sitting idle at 50 Mhz the SX48 uses about 80
    mA. You could get buy with a 300 mA supply for the onboard regulator.

    http://www.ubicom.com/pdfs/products/sx/processor/SX-DDS-SX4852BD-
    14.pdf

    Look at page 24 of the Javelin Manual PDF for information of the
    regulator it uses.

    http://www.parallax.com/Downloads/Javelin/Javelin_Stamp_Manual_v1.0a.p
    df

    Jason


    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    > You left out the important part in your snipping.
    > It was to power a BS2Pxxx running at 50-75mhz.
    > At that clock speed a Scenix Ubicom chip (which is what the BS2p
    uses) sucks
    > about 140-225ma of current at idle.
    > Obviously the only logical course is to use a OEM chip set and make
    your own
    > PCB for it.
    > A TO-220 like package at least, would be needed because of the
    power drain.
    > A Switching regulator is nice but they usually are much more
    expensive.
    > Especially having to provide
    > about 500ma at the least to the PCB.
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Trygve Henriksen [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:trygve.henriksen@v...]
    > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:05 AM
    > To: 'basicstamps@y...'
    > Subject: SV: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model
    >
    >
    > Greetings!
    >
    > Do you know what a switching regulator with associated components
    costs?
    >
    > Hands up everyone who would pay $100 for the BS2px(x for eXtreme [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    >
    > An alternative would be to use an external, regulated PSU...
    >
    > :-)
    > Trygve
    >
    >
    Opprinnelig melding
    > Fra: jbirnsch [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:jbirnsch@v...]
    > Sendt: 22. november 2002 05:15
    > Til: basicstamps@y...
    > Emne: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model
    >
    >
    > TO-220 linear regulator!!!!!!!! Thats 1/3 the size of a stamp
    > alone!!!
    >
    > Step into the realm of switching regulators. A SOT23-5 switching
    > regulator switching at 1.4 Mhz with an output current of 400 mA at
    5V
    > and a max input voltage of 12 V can be 90% efficient and take up
    less
    > board space that the body of your TO-220. Think small. Who needs a
    > heatsink??? With an 8 pin SOIC switching regulator outputs of up to
    5
    > A are common.
    >
    > Take a look at the Javelin stamp. It uses a switching regulator.
    >
    > Jason
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-22 19:51
    >I think the problem is at 50mhz it draws about 140-160ma.
    >Thus it needs a TO-220 voltage regulator to run at that speed.
    >You'd likely have to have a small heat sink on the regulator
    >to keep it from overheating too.
    >Speed typically means more power consumption.
    >They'd have to make the chip without a regulator, thus actually it may be
    >better to make it a OEM version and let the user manufacture their own PCB's
    >for it. Actually, a 75mhz OEM version would be sweeter.

    The BS2sx is in fact already an SX28 chip clocked at 50mhz, and it
    pulls about 65 milliamps. That is still within the capability of the
    LT1121 regulator, so long as Vin is 9 volts or less. I don't think
    the SX48 chip running turbo at 50 mhz would draw too much more
    current than that. The data sheet shows 82 milliamps at 50mhz/5
    volts. Run it at 3 volts, and that drops to 35 milliamps. So I'd
    guess a BS2px would be possible in the same format as the other
    stamps.

    -- Tracy
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-11-23 04:19
    Tracy:
    I stand corrected on the current consumption, technically it can't really
    go over 150ma.

    jbirnsch:
    But at 75mhz it does draw about 150ma max. (about 700mw).
    I'd love to have it run at 75mhz, with 64k (128k would be better) of program
    ROM for the interpreter to use.
    SX48 specs that I have:
    Section 1.2 (pg 3) shows DC to 75hz, Section 17.2 (pg 51) shows current
    consumption at 50 and 75mhz.

    That would be neat, run flat out at 75mhz, no PIC compatibility clock
    division stuff.
    But I doubt the little SMT LT1121 voltage regulator would like 75mhz too
    much at up to 150ma.
    Which gets me back to a custom OEM version of the BS2SX_turbo version with
    room for a bigger voltage regulator with a heat sink maybe.
    Well a 24 pin package might still be do-able but the regulator would have to
    be off from the 24 pin package though.


    Original Message
    From: jbirnsch [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=TV3VzdbS589kOC1gjX2Z1pa5E3GhAUTF9w4TE_l53aycbFO0KqHLDmlEYkklrgQ-76M89GJdAA]jbirnsch@v...[/url
    Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:43 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model


    Earl,

    I'm talking about the onboard power supply that the stamp has, not an
    external supply used to power the stamp. If you apply 7.5V to Vin on
    the stamp, it must regulate it down to 5V. Currently the BS2p40 uses
    a LT1121 which has 150 mA output. If you take a look at the Javelin
    stamp the onboard regulator is a switching supply because of the
    current it requires. An external regulator could be anything you have
    laying around the lab such as linear or switching for supplying 5 V
    to the Vdd pin of the stamp.

    The max frequency that the SX48 can run at is 50Mhz. Look at page 25
    of the SX48 datasheet. Sitting idle at 50 Mhz the SX48 uses about 80
    mA. You could get buy with a 300 mA supply for the onboard regulator.

    http://www.ubicom.com/pdfs/products/sx/processor/SX-DDS-SX4852BD-
    14.pdf

    Look at page 24 of the Javelin Manual PDF for information of the
    regulator it uses.

    http://www.parallax.com/Downloads/Javelin/Javelin_Stamp_Manual_v1.0a.p
    df

    Jason


    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    > You left out the important part in your snipping.
    > It was to power a BS2Pxxx running at 50-75mhz.
    > At that clock speed a Scenix Ubicom chip (which is what the BS2p
    uses) sucks
    > about 140-225ma of current at idle.
    > Obviously the only logical course is to use a OEM chip set and make
    your own
    > PCB for it.
    > A TO-220 like package at least, would be needed because of the
    power drain.
    > A Switching regulator is nice but they usually are much more
    expensive.
    > Especially having to provide
    > about 500ma at the least to the PCB.
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Trygve Henriksen [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:trygve.henriksen@v...]
    > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:05 AM
    > To: 'basicstamps@y...'
    > Subject: SV: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model
    >
    >
    > Greetings!
    >
    > Do you know what a switching regulator with associated components
    costs?
    >
    > Hands up everyone who would pay $100 for the BS2px(x for eXtreme [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    >
    > An alternative would be to use an external, regulated PSU...
    >
    > :-)
    > Trygve
    >
    >
    Opprinnelig melding
    > Fra: jbirnsch [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:jbirnsch@v...]
    > Sendt: 22. november 2002 05:15
    > Til: basicstamps@y...
    > Emne: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: The new BS2pe model
    >
    >
    > TO-220 linear regulator!!!!!!!! Thats 1/3 the size of a stamp
    > alone!!!
    >
    > Step into the realm of switching regulators. A SOT23-5 switching
    > regulator switching at 1.4 Mhz with an output current of 400 mA at
    5V
    > and a max input voltage of 12 V can be 90% efficient and take up
    less
    > board space that the body of your TO-220. Think small. Who needs a
    > heatsink??? With an 8 pin SOIC switching regulator outputs of up to
    5
    > A are common.
    >
    > Take a look at the Javelin stamp. It uses a switching regulator.
    >
    > Jason
    >
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