best way to get PC boards from ExpressPCB to a board house
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Hi all,
I need to get a few boards and use ExpressPCB software.
seems the software is proprietary and needs to
be put into something that can pump out a Gerber file.
Any ideas on how to move the file ?
Dave
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.
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I need to get a few boards and use ExpressPCB software.
seems the software is proprietary and needs to
be put into something that can pump out a Gerber file.
Any ideas on how to move the file ?
Dave
.
.
.
..
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davemucha@j... writes:
> I need to get a few boards and use ExpressPCB software.
>
> seems the software is proprietary and needs to
> be put into something that can pump out a Gerber file.
>
> Any ideas on how to move the file ?
>
>
I have tried to convert the Express software to a Gerber file with no luck.
Express software, is as you say, proprietary - very. I've talked to several
PCB companies about making boards from the Express file and they all say "no
way".
I wish I had a program as easy to use as Expresss that would put out a Gerber
file.
Sid
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your business to another board shop. You will also notice when you print out
the layout its on a gray background -- no doubt this is so you can't use
clear film and make your own boards.
Original Message
> I need to get a few boards and use ExpressPCB software.
>
> seems the software is proprietary and needs to
> be put into something that can pump out a Gerber file.
>
> Any ideas on how to move the file ?
MS Paint, change the background color.
I have done this for iron transfer boards. PITA and only useful on
very simple boards and oneies and twosies.
Dave
(always wanted to say onesies and twosies, alas, I rerealy get the
chance, but hey, I got to say 'alas' anyway ?)
--- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
> Now you know why the software is free -- because you can't use it
and take
> your business to another board shop. You will also notice when you
print out
> the layout its on a gray background -- no doubt this is so you
can't use
> clear film and make your own boards.
>
>
Original Message
>
> > I need to get a few boards and use ExpressPCB software.
> >
> > seems the software is proprietary and needs to
> > be put into something that can pump out a Gerber file.
> >
> > Any ideas on how to move the file ?
in a .pcb format. Doing a screen capture and pasting it into Paint won't
really work on anything with small traces.
I had them do some prototype boards for me, and while they cost more than I
could actually sell them for in the real world, I got what I needed. Their
service was very fast and when I had a question about how the software did
certain things I got an email back from them within a day.
Original Message
> Actually, you can save the file as a drawing and in (of all things)
> MS Paint, change the background color.
>
> I have done this for iron transfer boards. PITA and only useful on
> very simple boards and oneies and twosies.
> > Now you know why the software is free -- because you can't use it
> and take
> > your business to another board shop. You will also notice when you
> print out
> > the layout its on a gray background -- no doubt this is so you
> can't use
> > clear film and make your own boards.
lenght some time ago, iron tranfer is cool when the traces are big.
I would never attempt an iron transfer with traces going
between pins. it takes me longer to fix.
Dave
--- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
> I think they fixed that "feature" in version 2.6.2. It only does a
save as
> in a .pcb format. Doing a screen capture and pasting it into Paint
won't
> really work on anything with small traces.
>
> I had them do some prototype boards for me, and while they cost
more than I
> could actually sell them for in the real world, I got what I
needed. Their
> service was very fast and when I had a question about how the
software did
> certain things I got an email back from them within a day.
>
>
Original Message
>
>
> > Actually, you can save the file as a drawing and in (of all
things)
> > MS Paint, change the background color.
> >
> > I have done this for iron transfer boards. PITA and only useful
on
> > very simple boards and oneies and twosies.
>
> > > Now you know why the software is free -- because you can't use
it
> > and take
> > > your business to another board shop. You will also notice when
you
> > print out
> > > the layout its on a gray background -- no doubt this is so you
> > can't use
> > > clear film and make your own boards.
controller to transparent film on my HP deskjet 640c. The HP was set to
highest quality.
Came out fine.
There is a slightly gray background, but, from past experience, when
exposing the negative (or going straight to positive PCB material), the gray
background will be too light to make any difference.
--
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Electronics R&D
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Mb: +64 21 536 627
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Wellington
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> From: "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...>
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:36:32 -0000
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: best way to get PC boards from ExpressPCB to a
> board house
>
> I can do a screen capture and put it in Paint. As we discussed at
> lenght some time ago, iron tranfer is cool when the traces are big.
>
> I would never attempt an iron transfer with traces going
> between pins. it takes me longer to fix.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
>> I think they fixed that "feature" in version 2.6.2. It only does a
> save as
>> in a .pcb format. Doing a screen capture and pasting it into Paint
> won't
>> really work on anything with small traces.
>>
>> I had them do some prototype boards for me, and while they cost
> more than I
>> could actually sell them for in the real world, I got what I
> needed. Their
>> service was very fast and when I had a question about how the
> software did
>> certain things I got an email back from them within a day.
>>
>>
Original Message
>>
>>
>>> Actually, you can save the file as a drawing and in (of all
> things)
>>> MS Paint, change the background color.
>>>
>>> I have done this for iron transfer boards. PITA and only useful
> on
>>> very simple boards and oneies and twosies.
>>
>>>> Now you know why the software is free -- because you can't use
> it
>>> and take
>>>> your business to another board shop. You will also notice when
> you
>>> print out
>>>> the layout its on a gray background -- no doubt this is so you
>>> can't use
>>>> clear film and make your own boards.
>
>
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$500-$5000 for professional software. I have used both and I like Express
PCB because its easy to use and I cant even etch my own boards for the price
from them. Time is $$ and the time spent etching and drilling just isn't
worth it.
Alan Bradford
Plasma Technologies
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did this when we went from prototype to production and it cost us $60. Then
the production shop can edit this file if you have small changes.
Well worth the 60 bucks we had to spend.
Mark
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Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] best way to get PC boards from ExpressPCB to
a board house
Now you know why the software is free -- because you can't use it and take
your business to another board shop. You will also notice when you print out
the layout its on a gray background -- no doubt this is so you can't use
clear film and make your own boards.
Original Message
> I need to get a few boards and use ExpressPCB software.
>
> seems the software is proprietary and needs to
> be put into something that can pump out a Gerber file.
>
> Any ideas on how to move the file ?
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> Actually, you can save the file as a drawing and in
> (of all things)
> MS Paint, change the background color.
> I have done this for iron transfer boards. PITA and
> only useful on
> very simple boards and oneies and twosies.
How did you accomplish this?
=====
Chris Savage
Knight Designs
324 West Main Street
Montour Falls, NY 14865
(607) 535-6777
http://www.knightdesigns.com
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> I've just done a print out of the trace pattern for
> my Cassette Deck
> controller to transparent film on my HP deskjet
> 640c. The HP was set to
> highest quality.
> Came out fine.
I just printed out something with mine (V2.6.2) and it
also printed the grid dots, therefore making it
unusable for photo trasfer...Is your version older?
=====
Chris Savage
Knight Designs
324 West Main Street
Montour Falls, NY 14865
(607) 535-6777
http://www.knightdesigns.com
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did this when we went from prototype to production and it cost us $60. Then
the production shop can edit this file if you have small changes.
Well worth the 60 bucks we had to spend.
Mark
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Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: best way to get PC boards from ExpressPCB
to a board house
--- Dave Mucha <davemucha@j...> wrote:
> Actually, you can save the file as a drawing and in
> (of all things)
> MS Paint, change the background color.
> I have done this for iron transfer boards. PITA and
> only useful on
> very simple boards and oneies and twosies.
How did you accomplish this?
=====
Chris Savage
Knight Designs
324 West Main Street
Montour Falls, NY 14865
(607) 535-6777
http://www.knightdesigns.com
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go away on the printed copy.
> I just printed out something with mine (V2.6.2) and it
> also printed the grid dots, therefore making it
> unusable for photo trasfer...Is your version older?
If you all are looking for a free PCB editor and you have a Mac then
look no further. Osmond PPC is a free PCB editor. Works like a charm.
I output a mirrored Postscript file and then convert that to PDF then
print to laser printer. I have made a dozen or more boards with this
tool on my iBook and using DynaArt toner transfer paper. It can
import net lists but I usually draw the traces by hand like Express
PCB software. Building new parts is easy. Just set your pad size and
your grid spacing and build your parts. I've had good luck with fine
traces(10 mil) and small parts such as 0603 resistors and TSSOPS
using a Monokote iron with the max heat setting and light pressure.
The key is not too much pressure to squish the traces and enough to
make the toner stick to the board. I can send pics of the boards that
I have made with this package if you like.
http://www.swcp.com/~jchavez/osmond.html
Now if you are a Windoz user then the best I can suggest would be
Eagle Cad. but there is limitations with there free verson. Trying to
clean up the ExpressPCB files are a waste of time - been there and
tried that.
http://www.free-pcb-software.com/html_uk/uk_service_1.htm
Jason
--- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
> You can turn off the grid dots on the screen, but I have not
verified they
> go away on the printed copy.
>
>
> > I just printed out something with mine (V2.6.2) and it
> > also printed the grid dots, therefore making it
> > unusable for photo trasfer...Is your version older?
I still have it sitting on my HD, but I found it not very intuitive to
use...
> From: "jbirnsch" <jbirnsch@v...>
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:05:47 -0000
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: best way to get PC boards from ExpressPCB to a
> board house
>
> Stampers,
>
> If you all are looking for a free PCB editor and you have a Mac then
> look no further. Osmond PPC is a free PCB editor. Works like a charm.
> I output a mirrored Postscript file and then convert that to PDF then
> print to laser printer. I have made a dozen or more boards with this
> tool on my iBook and using DynaArt toner transfer paper. It can
> import net lists but I usually draw the traces by hand like Express
> PCB software. Building new parts is easy. Just set your pad size and
> your grid spacing and build your parts. I've had good luck with fine
> traces(10 mil) and small parts such as 0603 resistors and TSSOPS
> using a Monokote iron with the max heat setting and light pressure.
> The key is not too much pressure to squish the traces and enough to
> make the toner stick to the board. I can send pics of the boards that
> I have made with this package if you like.
>
> http://www.swcp.com/~jchavez/osmond.html
>
> Now if you are a Windoz user then the best I can suggest would be
> Eagle Cad. but there is limitations with there free verson. Trying to
> clean up the ExpressPCB files are a waste of time - been there and
> tried that.
>
> http://www.free-pcb-software.com/html_uk/uk_service_1.htm
>
> Jason
>
> --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
>> You can turn off the grid dots on the screen, but I have not
> verified they
>> go away on the printed copy.
>>
>>
>>> I just printed out something with mine (V2.6.2) and it
>>> also printed the grid dots, therefore making it
>>> unusable for photo trasfer...Is your version older?
>
>
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>
then paste into paint
then you can fill any color with any other color
lines.
that is how to make the background go away.
the problem is (remember the simple boared note ?)
that the actual size is not automatatially correct.
the height and width can be off. the ratio can be off
heck, the radio can be off to. (same old songs just repalyed anyway)
Print your board.
verify all the stuff is correct.
check out the photo transfer stuff (is it on Al's Page?)
get a
#1100 FilmOpaquer
Fine Point - Black
Mark-tex corp., Englewood NJ 07631
pen.
these work better than a sharpie.
fill in any and every hole and trace on the board.
get some tiny tiny tiny drills #78 will pass the
leads of a 1/4 watt resitor. you'll need slightly larger
for chips.
get the drills and a pin drill at www.use-enco.com
This is really a small holder for your drill press
to hold the tiny drills.
Use a magnyfing glass to make triple sure there are no
reflections from the copper after you transfered
and touched up. you can always scratch lines between
pads if you need to.
Check
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs
for more details and links.
Dave
--- In basicstamps@y..., Chris Savage <knight_designs@y...> wrote:
> --- Dave Mucha <davemucha@j...> wrote:
> > Actually, you can save the file as a drawing and in
> > (of all things)
> > MS Paint, change the background color.
> > I have done this for iron transfer boards. PITA and
> > only useful on
> > very simple boards and oneies and twosies.
>
> How did you accomplish this?
>
>
>
> =====
> Chris Savage
> Knight Designs
> 324 West Main Street
> Montour Falls, NY 14865
> (607) 535-6777
>
> http://www.knightdesigns.com
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
> http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Osmond kinda grows on you. I usually use it to layout boards by hand.
For the price I can't complain. I have layed out a single sided PCB
with a BS2p40 interperter IC, ceramic res, I^C, and 200 mA regulator.
Had to use 0603 and 0805 zero ohm jupmers to route traces in between
but it works as a functional BS2p40 replacement that I can build for
$30. I can plug it into a breadboard for quick prototyping or solder
it directly to perf board for permanent use. Next I'm planning on
makeing a BS2p40 development platform that my homemade stamp will
plug into or a Parallax stamp can plug in. Will have an LCD
connector, 300 pin breadboard, serial connector, 5V 2A supply, one
wire interface connectors, and some servo connectors. I plan on using
Osmond to lay it out in a 6" x 6" single sided PCB. The FIRST team
that I help out with will get 2 of these as soon as I get time to lay
it out. Total cost with my homemade stamp is about $55.
Jason
> Tried Osmond. Hated it... :-(
>
> I still have it sitting on my HD, but I found it not very intuitive
to
> use...
>
>
>
> > From: "jbirnsch" <jbirnsch@v...>
> > Reply-To: basicstamps@y...
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:05:47 -0000
> > To: basicstamps@y...
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: best way to get PC boards from
ExpressPCB to a
> > board house
> >
> > Stampers,
> >
> > If you all are looking for a free PCB editor and you have a Mac
then
> > look no further. Osmond PPC is a free PCB editor. Works like a
charm.
> > I output a mirrored Postscript file and then convert that to PDF
then
> > print to laser printer. I have made a dozen or more boards with
this
> > tool on my iBook and using DynaArt toner transfer paper. It can
> > import net lists but I usually draw the traces by hand like
Express
> > PCB software. Building new parts is easy. Just set your pad size
and
> > your grid spacing and build your parts. I've had good luck with
fine
> > traces(10 mil) and small parts such as 0603 resistors and TSSOPS
> > using a Monokote iron with the max heat setting and light
pressure.
> > The key is not too much pressure to squish the traces and enough
to
> > make the toner stick to the board. I can send pics of the boards
that
> > I have made with this package if you like.
> >
> > http://www.swcp.com/~jchavez/osmond.html
> >
> > Now if you are a Windoz user then the best I can suggest would be
> > Eagle Cad. but there is limitations with there free verson.
Trying to
> > clean up the ExpressPCB files are a waste of time - been there and
> > tried that.
> >
> > http://www.free-pcb-software.com/html_uk/uk_service_1.htm
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
> >> You can turn off the grid dots on the screen, but I have not
> > verified they
> >> go away on the printed copy.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I just printed out something with mine (V2.6.2) and it
> >>> also printed the grid dots, therefore making it
> >>> unusable for photo trasfer...Is your version older?
> >
> >
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> > basicstamps-unsubscribe@y...
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Subject and Body
> > of the message will be ignored.
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
some time. Maybe after I get a few ExpressPCB boards out the way first
(would be a pain starting those all over again...). :-)
cheers,
Ben.
--
http://www.lennard.net.nz/
Ben Lennard, NCEE, Dip EE
Electronics R&D
Hm: +64 4 972 7567
Mb: +64 21 536 627
87 Spencer Street
Crofton Downs
Wellington
New Zealand
"To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is
half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be."
No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the
Dog next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you! Those of you
with an overwhelming fear of the unknown will be gratified to learn that
there is no hidden message revealed by reading this warning backwards.
> From: "jbirnsch" <jbirnsch@v...>
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:23:58 -0000
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: best way to get PC boards from ExpressPCB to a
> board house
>
> Ben,
>
> Osmond kinda grows on you. I usually use it to layout boards by hand.
> For the price I can't complain. I have layed out a single sided PCB
> with a BS2p40 interperter IC, ceramic res, I^C, and 200 mA regulator.
> Had to use 0603 and 0805 zero ohm jupmers to route traces in between
> but it works as a functional BS2p40 replacement that I can build for
> $30. I can plug it into a breadboard for quick prototyping or solder
> it directly to perf board for permanent use. Next I'm planning on
> makeing a BS2p40 development platform that my homemade stamp will
> plug into or a Parallax stamp can plug in. Will have an LCD
> connector, 300 pin breadboard, serial connector, 5V 2A supply, one
> wire interface connectors, and some servo connectors. I plan on using
> Osmond to lay it out in a 6" x 6" single sided PCB. The FIRST team
> that I help out with will get 2 of these as soon as I get time to lay
> it out. Total cost with my homemade stamp is about $55.
>
> Jason
>
>
>> Tried Osmond. Hated it... :-(
>>
>> I still have it sitting on my HD, but I found it not very intuitive
> to
>> use...
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "jbirnsch" <jbirnsch@v...>
>>> Reply-To: basicstamps@y...
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:05:47 -0000
>>> To: basicstamps@y...
>>> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: best way to get PC boards from
> ExpressPCB to a
>>> board house
>>>
>>> Stampers,
>>>
>>> If you all are looking for a free PCB editor and you have a Mac
> then
>>> look no further. Osmond PPC is a free PCB editor. Works like a
> charm.
>>> I output a mirrored Postscript file and then convert that to PDF
> then
>>> print to laser printer. I have made a dozen or more boards with
> this
>>> tool on my iBook and using DynaArt toner transfer paper. It can
>>> import net lists but I usually draw the traces by hand like
> Express
>>> PCB software. Building new parts is easy. Just set your pad size
> and
>>> your grid spacing and build your parts. I've had good luck with
> fine
>>> traces(10 mil) and small parts such as 0603 resistors and TSSOPS
>>> using a Monokote iron with the max heat setting and light
> pressure.
>>> The key is not too much pressure to squish the traces and enough
> to
>>> make the toner stick to the board. I can send pics of the boards
> that
>>> I have made with this package if you like.
>>>
>>> http://www.swcp.com/~jchavez/osmond.html
>>>
>>> Now if you are a Windoz user then the best I can suggest would be
>>> Eagle Cad. but there is limitations with there free verson.
> Trying to
>>> clean up the ExpressPCB files are a waste of time - been there and
>>> tried that.
>>>
>>> http://www.free-pcb-software.com/html_uk/uk_service_1.htm
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
>>>> You can turn off the grid dots on the screen, but I have not
>>> verified they
>>>> go away on the printed copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I just printed out something with mine (V2.6.2) and it
>>>>> also printed the grid dots, therefore making it
>>>>> unusable for photo trasfer...Is your version older?
>>>
>>>
>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
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> Subject and Body
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I get around the grid problem on printouts by:
Where there are no tracks, I always put in a ground plane if possible. This
also reduces the amount of copper that needs to be etched away.
Therefore, if there are any dots, they are few, and I find they do not get
in the way anyway.
cheers,
Ben.
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> From: Chris Savage <knight_designs@y...>
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:03:54 -0800 (PST)
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: best way to get PC boards from ExpressPCB to a
> board house
>
> --- Ben <ben@l...> wrote:
>> I've just done a print out of the trace pattern for
>> my Cassette Deck
>> controller to transparent film on my HP deskjet
>> 640c. The HP was set to
>> highest quality.
>> Came out fine.
>
> I just printed out something with mine (V2.6.2) and it
> also printed the grid dots, therefore making it
> unusable for photo trasfer...Is your version older?
>
>
>
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> Knight Designs
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> Montour Falls, NY 14865
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few bucks to register. It's a little steep on the learning curve as
well, but I'm by no means a pro and have turned out some acceptable
boards with it.
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 22:33, Ben wrote:
> Tried Osmond. Hated it... :-(
>
> I still have it sitting on my HD, but I found it not very intuitive to
> use...
www.labcenter.co.uk
I have tried others but have found this one to be somewhat painless and you
can print on the free version (the registered version only costs 20euro?)
For another 20euro? you can have gerber output, I think. I have had
surprisingly good luck with the sharpie method. I am anxious to try the
toner transfer method. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
>I've been using BPECS/Best Proto for several years now. It was only a
>few bucks to register. It's a little steep on the learning curve as
>well, but I'm by no means a pro and have turned out some acceptable
>boards with it.
And it performs autorouting of traces!
Jim H
> Print screen
> then paste into paint
> then you can fill any color with any other color
> lines.
> that is how to make the background go away.
Thanks for the info Dave.
=====
Chris Savage
Knight Designs
324 West Main Street
Montour Falls, NY 14865
(607) 535-6777
http://www.knightdesigns.com
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