Linux programming tools - Response from Parallax
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Hi,
I know someone already responded to this, but just to make sure everyone
understands:
Parallax has rewritten and recompiled the PBASIC tokenizer for Windows and
Linux and released it to the public. You can find it at:
http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/downloads/downloads_tokenizer.htm
It does EVERYTHING the current PBASIC tokenizer does inside of the BASIC
Stamp Windows editor. For properly-skilled programmers, it is easy to
interface to and simple to use. Along with the download, you also get the
BASIC Stamp Programming Protocol document that describes how to effectively
download code to the BASIC Stamps. (Note, the tokenizer only supports BS2
and above.)
We are working on the Macintosh port right now and will announce it to this
list as soon as it is available. It will run carbonized, meaning it will
work in OS 9 and OS X.
Jeff Martin
Engineering Manager
Parallax, Inc
www.parallaxinc.com
www.stampsinclass.com
I know someone already responded to this, but just to make sure everyone
understands:
Parallax has rewritten and recompiled the PBASIC tokenizer for Windows and
Linux and released it to the public. You can find it at:
http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/downloads/downloads_tokenizer.htm
It does EVERYTHING the current PBASIC tokenizer does inside of the BASIC
Stamp Windows editor. For properly-skilled programmers, it is easy to
interface to and simple to use. Along with the download, you also get the
BASIC Stamp Programming Protocol document that describes how to effectively
download code to the BASIC Stamps. (Note, the tokenizer only supports BS2
and above.)
We are working on the Macintosh port right now and will announce it to this
list as soon as it is available. It will run carbonized, meaning it will
work in OS 9 and OS X.
Jeff Martin
Engineering Manager
Parallax, Inc
www.parallaxinc.com
www.stampsinclass.com
Comments
the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
-- John
On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 08:38 AM, Jeff Martin wrote:
> Parallax has rewritten and recompiled the PBASIC tokenizer for Windows
> and
> Linux and released it to the public. You can find it at:
> http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/downloads/downloads_tokenizer.htm
--- In basicstamps@y..., John Butera <pepsi@c...> wrote:
> It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed
to
> the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
> should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
>
> -- John
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 08:38 AM, Jeff Martin wrote:
>
> > Parallax has rewritten and recompiled the PBASIC tokenizer for
Windows
> > and
> > Linux and released it to the public. You can find it at:
> >
http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/downloads/downloads_tokenizer.ht
m
eventhough I have Windows Me, I also have Linux Mandrake 8.2. And when I
want to do something good (with microcontrollers o software) without the
risk of a system's crash I choose Mandrake. I preferd Linux, and Parallax
should distribute an Open Source an not a Binary.
Ezequiel
Original Message
From: "dirt939" <stamp@d...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:43 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Linux programming tools - Response from Parallax
> Or perhaps you should just use Windows.
>
> --- In basicstamps@y..., John Butera <pepsi@c...> wrote:
> > It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed
> to
> > the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
> > should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
> >
> > -- John
> >
> > On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 08:38 AM, Jeff Martin wrote:
> >
> > > Parallax has rewritten and recompiled the PBASIC tokenizer for
> Windows
> > > and
> > > Linux and released it to the public. You can find it at:
> > >
> http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/downloads/downloads_tokenizer.ht
> m
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our business in a negative manner. It's a shame that message has not been
understood or accepted by some in the Linux community.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
In a message dated 10/16/02 10:37:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
pepsi@c... writes:
> It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed to
> the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
> should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
>
>
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
tokenizer itself; not the entire IDE. It will be up to Linux developers to
create cool new development environments for that OS. Why do we do this? To
protect our intellectual property and to prevent a flood of sales calls from
a product that we didn't develop.
Imagine if we open-sourced the tokenizer and a Linux developer modified it
and created a problem. Chances are that we would be blamed for the error --
costing us a lot of money to support a problem we didn't create. By
releasing a binary tokenizer, we feel certain that it works with all Stamp 2
modules.
I'm sure it won't take long for some motivated Linux developers to fold our
tokenizer module into their cool IDE and produce a neat dev tool for the
BASIC Stamp under Linux.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
In a message dated 10/16/02 11:42:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
Nik@i... writes:
> I think Linux is more stable to make a good develpment. In my computer,
> eventhough I have Windows Me, I also have Linux Mandrake 8.2. And when I
> want to do something good (with microcontrollers o software) without the
> risk of a system's crash I choose Mandrake. I preferd Linux, and Parallax
>
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I am afraid I must respectfully disagree with you, Jon. Yes, they are
well understood, just not well liked. OCO binaries are quite common when
the company is one such as IBM. At one point for the Linux on S/390
port, for one of the system's special ports, they provide an OCO binary
for it. And gave reasonably well understood instructions for linking it,
with the kernel. This was a module. However there were problems up to
the point of loud screams on the lists for that form of Linux. Also with
those instructions, but also with the notion of why they were shipping
OCO binaries, but no source code. Now they do. But, on the whole, I do
agree with the position that Parallax has taken. I'm just not
comfortable with it. But I can work with it, and within its box. The IDE
will be the difficult portion of the take. I'll let someone else tackle
that idea. Oh, ah, and here is a giggle, the Linux on S/390 port,
typically runs under VM, a mainframe operating system. That is now
shipped OCO, with out the source code for it. At one point the code was
available for it, as part of the agreements for it. Yes, there will
always be people like that in the Linux community, but not for long. I
suspect however that our correspondent which prompted this thread, does
not completely understand the whole environment that is Linux.
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@w...
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Original Message
> From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=D5ePCPTQIcV5TeYPyIoTBLH0gF8hfsL9FvceFAFBY1b9cipBcO8LHpQs9dkwEI22xwrhBg]jonwms@a...[/url
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:48 PM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Linux programming tools - Response from
Parallax
>
> The source contains proprietary information which, if released, could
impact
> our business in a negative manner. It's a shame that message has not
been
> understood or accepted by some in the Linux community.
>
> -- Jon Williams
> -- Parallax
>
> In a message dated 10/16/02 10:37:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
> pepsi@c... writes:
>
>
> > It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed
to
> > the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
> > should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
with or like our decision. After a lot of internal discussion and soul
searching it was the best we could come up with. We owe it to ourselves to
protect our intellectual property -- and ourselves from support problems that
we don't create.
In the end, for Stamp programmers that want to program Stamps under Linux,
that is now being made possible by Linux developers who are linking our
binary into their IDE.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
In a message dated 10/16/02 12:10:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
hansolofalcon@w... writes:
> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> I am afraid I must respectfully disagree with you, Jon. Yes, they are
> well understood, just not well liked. OCO binaries are quite common when
> the company is one such as IBM. At one point for the Linux on S/390
> port, for one of the system's special ports, they provide an OCO binary
> for it. And gave reasonably well understood instructions for linking it,
> with the kernel. This was a module. However there were problems up to
> the point of loud screams on the lists for that form of Linux. Also with
> those instructions, but also with the notion of why they were shipping
> OCO binaries, but no source code. Now they do. But, on the whole, I do
> agree with the position that Parallax has taken. I'm just not
> comfortable with it. But I can work with it, and within its box. The IDE
> will be the difficult portion of the take. I'll let someone else tackle
> that idea. Oh, ah, and here is a giggle, the Linux on S/390 port,
> typically runs under VM, a mainframe operating system. That is now
> shipped OCO, with out the source code for it. At one point the code was
> available for it, as part of the agreements for it. Yes, there will
> always be people like that in the Linux community, but not for long. I
> suspect however that our correspondent which prompted this thread, does
>
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed to
>the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
>should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
Where's the shame in it? It's distributed as a pre-compiled shared library
- a DLL in Windows parlance. There are only three functions in the library
you need to call. Everything else is transparent and you have zero need
for access to the source code because even if you had it you'd still need
to access the library thru those three calls, or else rewrite the library.
Linux binaries are worthless? I think a skilled Linux programmer would
argue that point. What you probably mean is that you don't have the skill
set to make best use of the library Parallax provides. It sure isn't for
lack of decent documentation of the library interface.
An open source tokenizer? Who needs open source when you have the shared
library and the full directions for interface to it? Maybe you didn't mean
a tokenizer, but rather a tokenizer with a fully integrated GUI editor that
highlights syntax errors, and all the other bells and whistles that are in
the programs available for Windows?
Ya know what, a $100 2nd-hand PC would solve all your problems - $50 if you
were to look around a bit. Or you could dual boot that Linux box into DOS
from a floppy and use the DOS software Parallax provides without ever
having to let that nasty Windows stuff touch your hard drive.
the proprietary code and protocols, etc. for talking to the stamps.
If they did that, then every man and his dog would be able to make clone
stamps in competition and Parallax would go out of business... :-(
> From: "Ezequiel Leonardo Aceto" <Nik@i...>
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:42:53 -0300
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Linux programming tools - Response from
> Parallax
>
> I think Linux is more stable to make a good develpment. In my computer,
> eventhough I have Windows Me, I also have Linux Mandrake 8.2. And when I
> want to do something good (with microcontrollers o software) without the
> risk of a system's crash I choose Mandrake. I preferd Linux, and Parallax
> should distribute an Open Source an not a Binary.
>
> Ezequiel
>
Original Message
> From: "dirt939" <stamp@d...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:43 PM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Linux programming tools - Response from Parallax
>
>
>> Or perhaps you should just use Windows.
>>
>> --- In basicstamps@y..., John Butera <pepsi@c...> wrote:
>>> It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed
>> to
>>> the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
>>> should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
>>>
>>> -- John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 08:38 AM, Jeff Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Parallax has rewritten and recompiled the PBASIC tokenizer for
>> Windows
>>>> and
>>>> Linux and released it to the public. You can find it at:
>>>>
>> http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/downloads/downloads_tokenizer.ht
>> m
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it's Linux users. Parallax has been way more then generous to
distribute the tokenizer.dll. Not only that but they include
detailed instructions on how to use it! Many companies don't even
give you proper documentation now days. But with the tokenizer.dll
anyone can write their own customized stamp editor. Very cool!
If you really have to use Linux I would grab a programmer and write a
GUI for Linux. Otherwise, use Windows. The latest editor works
great. And, I for one think that Parallax has gone to great lengths
to support its users.
Thanks Parallax for such a great product!
--- In basicstamps@y..., Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@s...> wrote:
> At 11:36 10/16/02, John Butera wrote:
>
> >It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed
to
> >the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
> >should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
>
> Where's the shame in it? It's distributed as a pre-compiled shared
library
> - a DLL in Windows parlance. There are only three functions in the
library
> you need to call. Everything else is transparent and you have zero
need
> for access to the source code because even if you had it you'd
still need
> to access the library thru those three calls, or else rewrite the
library.
>
> Linux binaries are worthless? I think a skilled Linux programmer
would
> argue that point. What you probably mean is that you don't have
the skill
> set to make best use of the library Parallax provides. It sure
isn't for
> lack of decent documentation of the library interface.
>
> An open source tokenizer? Who needs open source when you have the
shared
> library and the full directions for interface to it? Maybe you
didn't mean
> a tokenizer, but rather a tokenizer with a fully integrated GUI
editor that
> highlights syntax errors, and all the other bells and whistles that
are in
> the programs available for Windows?
>
> Ya know what, a $100 2nd-hand PC would solve all your problems -
$50 if you
> were to look around a bit. Or you could dual boot that Linux box
into DOS
> from a floppy and use the DOS software Parallax provides without
ever
> having to let that nasty Windows stuff touch your hard drive.
> Linux binaries are worthless? I think a skilled Linux programmer would
> argue that point. What you probably mean is that you don't have the
> skill
> set to make best use of the library Parallax provides. It sure isn't
> for
> lack of decent documentation of the library interface.
A skilled Linux programmer would know that not everybody uses an x86
machine and that binaries for only one platform are not nearly as
useful as source code. I know for myself that I am fully capable of
using Parallax's library.
> Ya know what, a $100 2nd-hand PC would solve all your problems - $50
> if you
> were to look around a bit. Or you could dual boot that Linux box into
> DOS
> from a floppy and use the DOS software Parallax provides without ever
> having to let that nasty Windows stuff touch your hard drive.
I have a windows machine, along with my mac and a linux box.. I use the
windows stamp editor, so it's not that I have no other options..
What happened, I think, is that you read between the lines when there's
nothing there to read. I'm done with this thread now.. Have a nice day.
> At 11:36 10/16/02, John Butera wrote:
>
>> It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed to
>> the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
>> should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
stuff either run Windows or Mac OS, why waste time with a Linux version??
The software for all the different processors I use runs just fine under
98se.
Original Message
> I think Linux is more stable to make a good develpment. In my computer,
> eventhough I have Windows Me, I also have Linux Mandrake 8.2. And when I
> want to do something good (with microcontrollers o software) without the
> risk of a system's crash I choose Mandrake. I preferd Linux, and Parallax
> should distribute an Open Source an not a Binary.
Considering the tokenizer _only_ parses text and returns opcodes, I
can't see why it would have to be architecture specific. But then,
I'm not a linux programmer, just a user, so what do I know [noparse]:D[/noparse]
> A skilled Linux programmer would know that not everybody uses an
x86
> machine and that binaries for only one platform are not nearly as
> useful as source code. I know for myself that I am fully capable
of
> using Parallax's library.
>What happened, I think, is that you read between the lines when there's
>nothing there to read. I'm done with this thread now.. Have a nice day.
Thanks. In hindsight I agree 100%.
Jim H
>The reason Parallax is not going to release it as open source is because of
>the proprietary code and protocols, etc. for talking to the stamps.
>
>If they did that, then every man and his dog would be able to make clone
>stamps in competition and Parallax would go out of business... :-(
Ben, it seems to me you didn't download the modules and read the
documentation. Parallax explains exactly what sequence of events must
transpire to pump the compiled code out a serial port to a Stamp. They
don't provide the final code, but the protocol description is there. A
decent programmer can reproduce it and a really good one could make it GUI
enough (or not) to satisfy any taste in the look and feel arena.
Jim H
x86
> machine and that binaries for only one platform are not nearly as
> useful as source code. I know for myself that I am fully capable
of
> using Parallax's library.
>
All programmers write for a specific processor or set of processors.
No matter what anybody has told you, there is no such thing
as "platform independance". For example, the BASIC Stamp editor just
works with STAMPS, nothing else. It doesn't work with Motorolla or
Texas Instruments microcontrollers, just STAMPS. Similarily, the
editor only works on a Windows or a DOS machine with an Intel x86
processor. That's the way it is. Parallax is nice enough to give
you the tokenizer library.
Despite what you make think, there is no way a company can make their
stuff work with anything out there. It is just too costly.
Linux, and will never touch it.
Anyway, what i meant to say is that parallax isn't going to make it open
source due to intellectual property, issues, etc. etc. blah de blah, yadda
yadda, basically what Jon said a few threads ago (and many times before) ,
and I support his reasons 100%.
("Protocol, and whatever other words I used, were the wrong choice of words
from someone who is incredibly bored out of his tree at work at the mo' -
thank God for being able to check home email while at work...). Need to go
to "bored.com" and see if there is anything to - er - un-bore me... :-)
Can't wait until 5pm (boredom free time) - Hockey game, then home to play
with the Stamps...
> From: Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@s...>
> Organization: Quasimodo Software, LLC
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:06:51 -0400
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Linux programming tools - Response from
> Parallax
>
> At 16:28 10/16/02, Ben wrote:
>> The reason Parallax is not going to release it as open source is because of
>> the proprietary code and protocols, etc. for talking to the stamps.
>>
>> If they did that, then every man and his dog would be able to make clone
>> stamps in competition and Parallax would go out of business... :-(
>
> Ben, it seems to me you didn't download the modules and read the
> documentation. Parallax explains exactly what sequence of events must
> transpire to pump the compiled code out a serial port to a Stamp. They
> don't provide the final code, but the protocol description is there. A
> decent programmer can reproduce it and a really good one could make it GUI
> enough (or not) to satisfy any taste in the look and feel arena.
>
>
> Jim H
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As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is there anyone out there
who can write an OS X version using these or similar modules??
That level of programming is WAY beyond me. I get by OK with RealBasic on
the Mac...
> From: Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@s...>
> Organization: Quasimodo Software, LLC
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:06:51 -0400
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Linux programming tools - Response from
> Parallax
>
> At 16:28 10/16/02, Ben wrote:
>> The reason Parallax is not going to release it as open source is because of
>> the proprietary code and protocols, etc. for talking to the stamps.
>>
>> If they did that, then every man and his dog would be able to make clone
>> stamps in competition and Parallax would go out of business... :-(
>
> Ben, it seems to me you didn't download the modules and read the
> documentation. Parallax explains exactly what sequence of events must
> transpire to pump the compiled code out a serial port to a Stamp. They
> don't provide the final code, but the protocol description is there. A
> decent programmer can reproduce it and a really good one could make it GUI
> enough (or not) to satisfy any taste in the look and feel arena.
>
>
> Jim H
>
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OS 9 and OS X.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
In a message dated 10/16/02 7:17:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
ben@l... writes:
> As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is there anyone out there
>
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Yep, missed the post. I fact, I've missed a few posts from time to time -
thanks to my Web site hoster bouncing emails back to yahoo. :-(
> From: jonwms@a...
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:28:28 EDT
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Linux programming tools - Response from
> Parallax
>
> In case you missed the posting, we're compiling a module that will work with
> OS 9 and OS X.
>
> -- Jon Williams
> -- Parallax
>
> In a message dated 10/16/02 7:17:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ben@l... writes:
>
>
>> As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is there anyone out there
>>
>
>
>
>
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wants to lend a hand with development, please let me know. I would also
like to thank Parallax for making the tokenizer available. Hopefully
the community of Apple/Stamp fans can provide a way for education
institutions that only use Macs to use their stamps without expensive
emulation software. Yeah Parallax!
Thanks,
Dan
On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 07:28 PM, jonwms@a... wrote:
> In case you missed the posting, we're compiling a module that will
> work with
> OS 9 and OS X.
>
> -- Jon Williams
> -- Parallax
>
> In a message dated 10/16/02 7:17:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ben@l... writes:
>
>
>> As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is there anyone
>> out there
>>
>
>
>
>
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available would compromise your intellectual property and allow people to
make cheap knockoff stamps?
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, jonwms@a... wrote:
> The source contains proprietary information which, if released, could impact
> our business in a negative manner. It's a shame that message has not been
> understood or accepted by some in the Linux community.
>
> -- Jon Williams
> -- Parallax
>
> In a message dated 10/16/02 10:37:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
> pepsi@c... writes:
>
>
> > It's a shame that Parallax chose to distribute binaries as opposed to
> > the source. Linux binaries are worthless, imho. Perhaps somebody
> > should write an open source tokenizer. d;D
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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hardware companies who have 3rd party linux/*bsd support who merely say
'this isn't a supported OS' and hang up, and they don't seem to waste a
lot of effort with it.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, jonwms@a... wrote:
> Imagine if we open-sourced the tokenizer and a Linux developer modified it
> and created a problem. Chances are that we would be blamed for the error --
> costing us a lot of money to support a problem we didn't create. By
> releasing a binary tokenizer, we feel certain that it works with all Stamp 2
> modules.
>
> I'm sure it won't take long for some motivated Linux developers to fold our
> tokenizer module into their cool IDE and produce a neat dev tool for the
> BASIC Stamp under Linux.
>
> -- Jon Williams
> -- Parallax
>
>
> In a message dated 10/16/02 11:42:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Nik@i... writes:
>
>
> > I think Linux is more stable to make a good develpment. In my computer,
> > eventhough I have Windows Me, I also have Linux Mandrake 8.2. And when I
> > want to do something good (with microcontrollers o software) without the
> > risk of a system's crash I choose Mandrake. I preferd Linux, and Parallax
> >
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How about Tcl/TK.
Wayne
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:07:49 -0500
Daniel Stark <dstark@m...> wrote:
>Speaking of OSX, I plan to start making a Cocoa Stamp
>GUI, if anyone
>wants to lend a hand with development, please let me
>know. I would also
>like to thank Parallax for making the tokenizer
>available. Hopefully
>the community of Apple/Stamp fans can provide a way for
>education
>institutions that only use Macs to use their stamps
>without expensive
>emulation software. Yeah Parallax!
>
>Thanks,
>Dan
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 07:28 PM,
>jonwms@a... wrote:
>
>> In case you missed the posting, we're compiling a module
>>that will
>> work with
>> OS 9 and OS X.
>>
>> -- Jon Williams
>> -- Parallax
>>
>> In a message dated 10/16/02 7:17:24 PM Central Daylight
>>Time,
>> ben@l... writes:
>>
>>
>>> As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is
>>>there anyone
>>> out there
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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lamont@a... writes:
> I'm curious, are you worrying that having the source code to the tokenizer
> available would compromise your intellectual property and allow people to
>
Exactly. The details of the tokenizer reveal the inner workings of the
Stamp. We give enough away and have to deal with work-alike clones who
provide NO after sales support to their customers. Time and time again
customers are lured away by promises of "better than a Stamp and cheaper"
only to be sucker-punched by some garage shop operation. We don't want to
create any more of those.
Even if we weren't worried about that, by precompiling the tokenizer we can
be assured that it works and not have to deal with a customer service
nightmare that we don't create. We know that there are a few advanced
programmers that would like to extend the Stamp's language (hence their
desire for the tokenizer source), but as a business, we just can't take a
chance that they'll do it right -- if they don't, we'll surely be blamed and
it will cost us in customer good will and possible future sales.
For those in the Linux community that want the tokenizer for non-x86
platforms, please let us know what those are so we can go that direction. At
least for the foreseeable future, we won't change our position on releasing
the tokenizer source, so precompiling for the systems you're likely to want
to create a Stamp development tool for is the best we can do.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
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them to compile the library for os x first. d:P
-- John
On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 11:07 AM, Daniel Stark wrote:
> Speaking of OSX, I plan to start making a Cocoa Stamp GUI, if anyone
> wants to lend a hand with development, please let me know. I would also
> like to thank Parallax for making the tokenizer available. Hopefully
> the community of Apple/Stamp fans can provide a way for education
> institutions that only use Macs to use their stamps without expensive
> emulation software. Yeah Parallax!
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 07:28 PM, jonwms@a... wrote:
>
>> In case you missed the posting, we're compiling a module that will
>> work with
>> OS 9 and OS X.
>>
>> -- Jon Williams
>> -- Parallax
>>
>> In a message dated 10/16/02 7:17:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> ben@l... writes:
>>
>>
>>> As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is there anyone
>>> out there
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 03:48 PM, John Butera wrote:
> You can't use the tokenizer library in os x. You'll have to wait for
> them to compile the library for os x first. d:P
>
> -- John
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 11:07 AM, Daniel Stark wrote:
>
>> Speaking of OSX, I plan to start making a Cocoa Stamp GUI, if anyone
>> wants to lend a hand with development, please let me know. I would
>> also
>> like to thank Parallax for making the tokenizer available. Hopefully
>> the community of Apple/Stamp fans can provide a way for education
>> institutions that only use Macs to use their stamps without expensive
>> emulation software. Yeah Parallax!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 07:28 PM, jonwms@a... wrote:
>>
>>> In case you missed the posting, we're compiling a module that will
>>> work with
>>> OS 9 and OS X.
>>>
>>> -- Jon Williams
>>> -- Parallax
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/16/02 7:17:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>> ben@l... writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is there anyone
>>>> out there
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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a different tokenizer would be needed for Linux vs. X I don't really
see a need to make the gui cross platform.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 02:55 PM, Wayne Patterson wrote:
>
>> What language do you plan to use for the gui?
>> How about Tcl/TK.
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:07:49 -0500
>> Daniel Stark <dstark@m...> wrote:
>>> Speaking of OSX, I plan to start making a Cocoa Stamp
>>> GUI, if anyone
>>> wants to lend a hand with development, please let me
>>> know. I would also
>>> like to thank Parallax for making the tokenizer
>>> available. Hopefully
>>> the community of Apple/Stamp fans can provide a way for
>>> education
>>> institutions that only use Macs to use their stamps
>>> without expensive
>>> emulation software. Yeah Parallax!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 07:28 PM,
>>> jonwms@a... wrote:
>>>
>>>> In case you missed the posting, we're compiling a module
>>>> that will
>>>> work with
>>>> OS 9 and OS X.
>>>>
>>>> -- Jon Williams
>>>> -- Parallax
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/16/02 7:17:24 PM Central Daylight
>>>> Time,
>>>> ben@l... writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As Linux is Unix, and Mac OS X is also unix based, is
>>>>> there anyone
>>>>> out there
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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