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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-08-09 17:57 in General Discussion
Hello Everyone,

I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the wireless
application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I now have them
"talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in the same
place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of the Serial
Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the Version 2.0 Stamp
Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen had also
recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as "Unwanted
resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a pull-down resistor on
the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the other Serial
Port lines?

Thanks,

Tim


Timothy Medema
CrystaLite, Incorporated
3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232

www.crystaliteinc.com
<mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 15:53
    I forgot to mention that this prototype work has been assembled on two
    separate breadboards, one for each wireless "end".

    Tim



    At 07:41 AM 8/8/2002 -0700, you wrote:

    >Hello Everyone,
    >
    > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the wireless
    >application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I now have them
    >"talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
    >hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in the same
    >place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of the Serial
    >Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the Version 2.0 Stamp
    >Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen had also
    >recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
    >http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as "Unwanted
    >resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
    >anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a pull-down resistor on
    >the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the other Serial
    >Port lines?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Tim
    >
    >
    >Timothy Medema
    >CrystaLite, Incorporated
    >3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    >Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232
    >
    >www.crystaliteinc.com
    ><mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 15:57
    In a message dated 08/08/2002 10:43:01 Eastern Daylight Time,
    timm@c... writes:


    > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the wireless
    > application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I now have them
    > "talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
    > hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in the same
    > place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of the Serial
    > Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the Version 2.0 Stamp
    > Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen had also
    > recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
    > http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as "Unwanted
    > resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
    > anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a pull-down resistor on
    > the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the other Serial
    > Port lines?
    >

    For Tim:

    Make sure that when one xmtr is sending that the associated recvr is
    completely disabled. Are you using transceivers or separate xmtrs and
    rcvrs ?

    Sid


    [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 15:58
    Have a look at the FAQ:
    http://www.faq-pro.com/faq/index.php?qframe=1&faq=1&article=22

    Part of the Stamp FAQ at http://www.wd5gnr.com/stampfaq.htm

    Al Williams
    AWC
    * NEW: PAK-VIa - Read PS/2 keyboards or mice -- double the buffer, lower
    current consumption.
    http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm




    >
    Original Message
    > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=TCxUZNxwKQtf2L3ojlezTbfbsVIu0uxoYYaIPWu-fB9GkmzkmQdF_uIMuxUBRTAPnfzp96ETkb43Cocp]timm@c...[/url
    > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:42 AM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    >
    >
    >
    > Hello Everyone,
    >
    > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for
    > the wireless
    > application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I
    > now have them
    > "talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
    > hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not
    > in the same
    > place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of
    > the Serial
    > Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the
    > Version 2.0 Stamp
    > Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen
    > had also
    > recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
    > http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed
    > as "Unwanted
    > resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
    > anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a
    > pull-down resistor on
    > the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the
    > other Serial
    > Port lines?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Tim
    >
    >
    > Timothy Medema
    > CrystaLite, Incorporated
    > 3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    > Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232
    >
    > www.crystaliteinc.com
    > <mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 16:15
    Hello Sid,

    I am using the Parallax SIP transceivers with the fixed antennas,
    Part No: 27997. Do I need to do something to ensure that the receivers are
    disabled when transmitting? Pull the receive data line low? What I'm
    testing right now is a MASTER/SLAVE configuration with the SLAVE running a
    "listening" routine, the MASTER sends an a "get the slave's attention"
    signal, the SLAVE responds with an "I'm ready for data" signal, the MASTER
    transmits the "important data" and then the SLAVE responds with an
    "acknowledge" signal.

    Tim

    At 10:57 AM 8/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
    >In a message dated 08/08/2002 10:43:01 Eastern Daylight Time,
    >timm@c... writes:
    >
    >
    > > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the wireless
    > > application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I now have them
    > > "talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
    > > hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in the same
    > > place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of the Serial
    > > Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the Version 2.0 Stamp
    > > Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen had also
    > > recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
    > > http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as "Unwanted
    > > resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
    > > anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a pull-down resistor on
    > > the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the other Serial
    > > Port lines?
    > >
    >
    >For Tim:
    >
    >Make sure that when one xmtr is sending that the associated recvr is
    >completely disabled. Are you using transceivers or separate xmtrs and
    >rcvrs ?
    >
    >Sid
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 16:31
    Hello Al,

    Thank you for your web information. Per that information though,
    the programming cable should never be left connected. I have been using
    DEBUG a lot to monitor one end or the other to view what's going on - are
    you saying that this should not be done?

    Tim


    At 09:58 AM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
    >Have a look at the FAQ:
    >http://www.faq-pro.com/faq/index.php?qframe=1&faq=1&article=22
    >
    >Part of the Stamp FAQ at http://www.wd5gnr.com/stampfaq.htm
    >
    >Al Williams
    >AWC
    >* NEW: PAK-VIa - Read PS/2 keyboards or mice -- double the buffer, lower
    >current consumption.
    >http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=7skrB3vAtBOdADISUMtT2EH50iYQy30mbMT8uQZMMtetzhGOKIsWaEyfogPq52PHsyHNW-MvIODwuO1q8IY]timm@c...[/url
    > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:42 AM
    > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Hello Everyone,
    > >
    > > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for
    > > the wireless
    > > application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I
    > > now have them
    > > "talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
    > > hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not
    > > in the same
    > > place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of
    > > the Serial
    > > Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the
    > > Version 2.0 Stamp
    > > Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen
    > > had also
    > > recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
    > > http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed
    > > as "Unwanted
    > > resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
    > > anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a
    > > pull-down resistor on
    > > the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the
    > > other Serial
    > > Port lines?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Tim
    > >
    > >
    > > Timothy Medema
    > > CrystaLite, Incorporated
    > > 3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    > > Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232
    > >
    > > www.crystaliteinc.com
    > > <mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...
    > >
    > >
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    > > whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
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    CrystaLite, Incorporated
    3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232

    www.crystaliteinc.com
    <mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 16:38
    Hi Tim,

    Actually I didn't write that (if you notice, the author's name is at the
    bottom). But I think what he means is don't leave the cable attached to
    the BS2 and unattached at the other end.

    Perhaps I'll edit that article to reflect that.

    Al Williams
    AWC
    * Floating point A/D
    http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak9.htm



    >
    Original Message
    > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=EMX-d3EKm0h9oX-fR3WzKAUEoWCOIsmXiV850KH4M5STD6xZcIDQax9-0-C437ovYtoJz-D8BG1ES6zhdA]timm@c...[/url
    > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:31 AM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    >
    >
    >
    > Hello Al,
    >
    > Thank you for your web information. Per that
    > information though,
    > the programming cable should never be left connected. I have
    > been using
    > DEBUG a lot to monitor one end or the other to view what's
    > going on - are
    > you saying that this should not be done?
    >
    > Tim
    >
    >
    > At 09:58 AM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
    > >Have a look at the FAQ:
    > >http://www.faq-pro.com/faq/index.php?qframe=1&faq=1&article=22
    > >
    > >Part of the Stamp FAQ at http://www.wd5gnr.com/stampfaq.htm
    > >
    > >Al Williams
    > >AWC
    > >* NEW: PAK-VIa - Read PS/2 keyboards or mice -- double the buffer,
    > >lower current consumption. http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    Original Message
    > > > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=EMX-d3EKm0h9oX-fR3WzKAUEoWCOIsmXiV850KH4M5STD6xZcIDQax9-0-C437ovYtoJz-D8BG1ES6zhdA]timm@c...[/url
    > > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:42 AM
    > > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Hello Everyone,
    > > >
    > > > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the
    > > > wireless application that I had asked for your help with
    > earlier. I
    > > > now have them
    > > > "talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the
    > other BS2
    > > > hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in
    > > > the same place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line

    > > > of the Serial
    > > > Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the
    > > > Version 2.0 Stamp
    > > > Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen
    > > > had also
    > > > recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?)
    > on his page
    > > > http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as
    > > > "Unwanted resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not
    > > > seem to go anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a
    > > > pull-down resistor on
    > > > the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the
    > > > other Serial
    > > > Port lines?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > >
    > > > Tim
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Timothy Medema
    > > > CrystaLite, Incorporated
    > > > 3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    > > > Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232
    > > >
    > > > www.crystaliteinc.com
    > > > <mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...
    > > >
    > > >
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    > Timothy Medema
    > CrystaLite, Incorporated
    > 3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    > Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232
    >
    www.crystaliteinc.com
    <mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 16:39
    Oh, in fact, if you look at the question it says "without the PC at the
    other end" so I am certain that what it means.

    Al Williams
    AWC
    * Floating point A/D
    http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak9.htm


    >
    Original Message
    > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=aneAFv_8Nq4nocX8b8Z8bEhiVCMVWdlpBy12Rc6akVMnuEmoLLbw11ybK0z5fjNF_5DWhbP54QGtIKvWIQ]timm@c...[/url
    > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:31 AM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    >
    >
    >
    > Hello Al,
    >
    > Thank you for your web information. Per that
    > information though,
    > the programming cable should never be left connected. I have
    > been using
    > DEBUG a lot to monitor one end or the other to view what's
    > going on - are
    > you saying that this should not be done?
    >
    > Tim
    >
    >
    > At 09:58 AM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
    > >Have a look at the FAQ:
    > >http://www.faq-pro.com/faq/index.php?qframe=1&faq=1&article=22
    > >
    > >Part of the Stamp FAQ at http://www.wd5gnr.com/stampfaq.htm
    > >
    > >Al Williams
    > >AWC
    > >* NEW: PAK-VIa - Read PS/2 keyboards or mice -- double the buffer,
    > >lower current consumption. http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    Original Message
    > > > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=aneAFv_8Nq4nocX8b8Z8bEhiVCMVWdlpBy12Rc6akVMnuEmoLLbw11ybK0z5fjNF_5DWhbP54QGtIKvWIQ]timm@c...[/url
    > > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:42 AM
    > > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Hello Everyone,
    > > >
    > > > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the
    > > > wireless application that I had asked for your help with
    > earlier. I
    > > > now have them
    > > > "talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the
    > other BS2
    > > > hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in
    > > > the same place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line

    > > > of the Serial
    > > > Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the
    > > > Version 2.0 Stamp
    > > > Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen
    > > > had also
    > > > recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?)
    > on his page
    > > > http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as
    > > > "Unwanted resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not
    > > > seem to go anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a
    > > > pull-down resistor on
    > > > the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the
    > > > other Serial
    > > > Port lines?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > >
    > > > Tim
    > > >
    > > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 16:47
    Sorry Al,

    My mistake - haste makes waste, I should have read it closer
    before posting. I have not left the programming cable "without the PC at
    the other end" to act as a noise antenna, and have had the freezing problem
    with both breadboards - with and without the cable connected for DEBUG
    purposes.

    Tim


    At 10:39 AM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:

    >Oh, in fact, if you look at the question it says "without the PC at the
    >other end" so I am certain that what it means.
    >
    >Al Williams
    >AWC
    >* Floating point A/D
    >http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak9.htm
    >
    >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=ifvY6zgGaV3rmmWZ3jRj4kaCy8JvhsGCbDUZ93xTO2lTuwNuvK9senK1lLiDGMlfN7EyD2MjkELJvwJo]timm@c...[/url
    > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:31 AM
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    > > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Hello Al,
    > >
    > > Thank you for your web information. Per that
    > > information though,
    > > the programming cable should never be left connected. I have
    > > been using
    > > DEBUG a lot to monitor one end or the other to view what's
    > > going on - are
    > > you saying that this should not be done?
    > >
    > > Tim
    > >
    > >
    > > At 09:58 AM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
    > > >Have a look at the FAQ:
    > > >http://www.faq-pro.com/faq/index.php?qframe=1&faq=1&article=22
    > > >
    > > >Part of the Stamp FAQ at http://www.wd5gnr.com/stampfaq.htm
    > > >
    > > >Al Williams
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    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >
    Original Message
    > > > > From: Timothy Medema [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=ifvY6zgGaV3rmmWZ3jRj4kaCy8JvhsGCbDUZ93xTO2lTuwNuvK9senK1lLiDGMlfN7EyD2MjkELJvwJo]timm@c...[/url
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    > > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] ATN Line Noise...
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Hello Everyone,
    > > > >
    > > > > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the
    > > > > wireless application that I had asked for your help with
    > > earlier. I
    > > > > now have them
    > > > > "talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the
    > > other BS2
    > > > > hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in
    > > > > the same place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line
    >
    > > > > of the Serial
    > > > > Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the
    > > > > Version 2.0 Stamp
    > > > > Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen
    > > > > had also
    > > > > recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?)
    > > on his page
    > > > > http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as
    > > > > "Unwanted resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not
    > > > > seem to go anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a
    > > > > pull-down resistor on
    > > > > the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the
    > > > > other Serial
    > > > > Port lines?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks,
    > > > >
    > > > > Tim
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Timothy Medema
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 16:47
    In a message dated 08/08/2002 11:15:54 Eastern Daylight Time,
    timm@c... writes:


    > I am using the Parallax SIP transceivers with the fixed antennas,
    > Part No: 27997. Do I need to do something to ensure that the receivers are
    > disabled when transmitting? Pull the receive data line low? What I'm
    > testing right now is a MASTER/SLAVE configuration with the SLAVE running a
    > "listening" routine, the MASTER sends an a "get the slave's attention"
    > signal, the SLAVE responds with an "I'm ready for data" signal, the MASTER
    > transmits the "important data" and then the SLAVE responds with an
    > "acknowledge" signal.
    >

    For Tim

    I use separate units so I don't know the pins on the transceiver. Maybe the
    recvr is automatically disabled when you transmit - don't know. I do know
    that it is imperative that the associated recvr be disabled when transmitting.
    I'm going to the Parallax site and have a look. I'll get back to you if I
    find anything. I assume one of the breadboards is tied to your PC via the
    serial cable so you can tell it what to xmit. Is the other breadboard a
    stand-alone ?
    Does it serout a message in response to a serin ?

    Can't imagine the ATN line causing a problem.

    Sid


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 16:57
    I have not read this thread, however I solved my ATN noise problem with a
    pol. cap attached + to ATN and - to GND .1uf cap
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 17:09
    For Sid,

    I should have provided more information. Each "end" is a
    stand-alone breadboard with a BS2 and transceiver. The transceiver is a
    simple hook-up: +5VDC, Three Ground Pins, Tx Pin, and Rx Pin. The
    transceiver is controlled by each BS2 using SEROUT to the Tx Pin to
    transmit and SERIN form the Rx Pin to receive. The documentation supplied
    with the transceiver modules is a single sheet by RF Digital, covering only
    the VERY basics of hook-up and the mention of using SEROUT and SERIN
    commands to transmit and receive - no code examples. Parallax tech support
    has told me over the phone that they are writing additional
    documentation. So, I guess I've taken the long way around to answer you
    question - yes, I'm using the serial out and in commands. Wether or not
    the one or the other side of the transceiver needs to be disabled while the
    other side is being used, I don't know or have documentation on.

    Does that help?

    Tim


    At 11:47 AM 8/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
    >In a message dated 08/08/2002 11:15:54 Eastern Daylight Time,
    >timm@c... writes:
    >
    >
    > > I am using the Parallax SIP transceivers with the fixed antennas,
    > > Part No: 27997. Do I need to do something to ensure that the receivers
    > are
    > > disabled when transmitting? Pull the receive data line low? What I'm
    > > testing right now is a MASTER/SLAVE configuration with the SLAVE running a
    > > "listening" routine, the MASTER sends an a "get the slave's attention"
    > > signal, the SLAVE responds with an "I'm ready for data" signal, the MASTER
    > > transmits the "important data" and then the SLAVE responds with an
    > > "acknowledge" signal.
    > >
    >
    >For Tim
    >
    >I use separate units so I don't know the pins on the transceiver. Maybe the
    >recvr is automatically disabled when you transmit - don't know. I do know
    >that it is imperative that the associated recvr be disabled when transmitting.
    >I'm going to the Parallax site and have a look. I'll get back to you if I
    >find anything. I assume one of the breadboards is tied to your PC via the
    >serial cable so you can tell it what to xmit. Is the other breadboard a
    >stand-alone ?
    >Does it serout a message in response to a serin ?
    >
    >Can't imagine the ATN line causing a problem.
    >
    >Sid
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 17:26
    >Hello Everyone,
    >
    > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the wireless
    >application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I now have them
    >"talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
    >hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in the same
    >place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of the Serial
    >Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the Version 2.0 Stamp
    >Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen had also
    >recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
    >http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as "Unwanted
    >resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
    >anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a pull-down resistor on
    >the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the other Serial
    >Port lines?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Tim
    >
    >
    >Timothy Medema
    >CrystaLite, Incorporated
    >3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    >Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232
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    Thanks for the heads up on the link. It is fixed now to point here...
    http://www.emesystems.com/BS2rs232.htm#resets

    The circuit I use is this,


    DB9S ---||
    ;
    /\/\/---;
    pin4 0.22 | 3.3k |
    optional |
    ||
    |
    | 0.1 |
    atn ground

    which includes the resistor to lower the input resistance of the ATN
    circuit from 10k down to 3k. The idea is to generate a short pulse
    of that reaches 2.5 volts for a fraction of a millisecond into the
    atn pin when a genuine 0-->5 volt stiff reset signal comes in on pin4
    of the DB9. The response to the less stiff fake signals that come
    from noise should not bring the circuit up to that reset threshold.
    If you do a RC circuit model of capacitively coupled noise, it helps
    to have the resistor in parallel with the ATN input, as well as the
    capacitors.

    -- Tracy
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 17:40
    At 09:26 AM 8/8/2002 -0700, you wrote:
    > >Hello Everyone,
    > >
    > > I am using two BS2's in the preliminary testing for the wireless
    > >application that I had asked for your help with earlier. I now have them
    > >"talking" to one another, but once in a while, one or the other BS2
    > >hangs-up or just freezes mid-program -- most of the time not in the same
    > >place in either program. I suspect noise on the ATN line of the Serial
    > >Port, so I'm using the 0.1 capacitors as shown in the Version 2.0 Stamp
    > >Manual, but the problem persists. I thought that Tracy Allen had also
    > >recommended a resistor in the mix also (ATN pull-down?) on his page
    > >http://www.emesys.com/BS2bugs.htm#top , but the link listed as "Unwanted
    > >resets form noise on the Serial Port ATN line" does not seem to go
    > >anywhere. Anyone have any other ideas? Can I put a pull-down resistor on
    > >the ATN line? Does anything need to be done with any of the other Serial
    > >Port lines?
    > >
    > >Thanks,
    > >
    > >Tim
    > >
    > >
    > >Timothy Medema
    > >CrystaLite, Incorporated
    > >3307 Cedar St. (425) 745-6000 800-666-6065
    > >Everett, WA 98201 Fax: (425) 257-0232
    > >
    > >www.crystaliteinc.com
    > ><mailto:timm@c...>timm@c...
    > >
    >
    >Thanks for the heads up on the link. It is fixed now to point here...
    > http://www.emesystems.com/BS2rs232.htm#resets
    >
    >The circuit I use is this,
    >
    >
    > DB9S ---||
    ;
    /\/\/---;
    > pin4 0.22 | 3.3k |
    > optional |
    ||
    |
    > | 0.1 |
    > atn ground
    >
    >which includes the resistor to lower the input resistance of the ATN
    >circuit from 10k down to 3k. The idea is to generate a short pulse
    >of that reaches 2.5 volts for a fraction of a millisecond into the
    >atn pin when a genuine 0-->5 volt stiff reset signal comes in on pin4
    >of the DB9. The response to the less stiff fake signals that come
    >from noise should not bring the circuit up to that reset threshold.
    >If you do a RC circuit model of capacitively coupled noise, it helps
    >to have the resistor in parallel with the ATN input, as well as the
    >capacitors.
    >
    > -- Tracy
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    Hello Tracy,

    I thought that I'd read (a long time ago) that you'd used a
    resistor to lower the input impedance of the programming serial
    port. Thank you for this information and for the link repair.

    Much appreciated,

    Tim
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 17:59
    In a message dated 08/08/2002 12:10:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
    timm@c... writes:


    > Does that help?
    >

    Very much. Let me check and I'll get back to you.

    Sid


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 18:02
    Thanks Sid,

    Tim


    At 12:59 PM 8/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
    >In a message dated 08/08/2002 12:10:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
    >timm@c... writes:
    >
    >
    > > Does that help?
    > >
    >
    >Very much. Let me check and I'll get back to you.
    >
    >Sid
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    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-08 22:02
    In a message dated 08/08/2002 12:10:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
    timm@c... writes:


    > documentation. So, I guess I've taken the long way around to answer you
    > question - yes, I'm using the serial out and in commands. Wether or not
    > the one or the other side of the transceiver needs to be disabled while the
    > other side is being used, I don't know or have documentation on.
    >
    >

    Tim, go to www.rfdigital.com. They are the manufacturers and should have
    everything on their site. If you need to talk to them their number is
    818-541-7622

    Hope this helps.

    Sid


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-08-09 17:57
    Hi Sid,

    Thanks for the link, but I've already been to RF Digital and they
    don't have any additional information. The sheet that came with the
    transceiver modules was written by RF Digital and has PRELIMINARY
    DOCUMENTATION printed at the beginning and end of the information. It
    would be a good idea to call them though.

    Thanks for caring enough to put in that time to dig for me,

    Tim


    At 05:02 PM 8/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
    >In a message dated 08/08/2002 12:10:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
    >timm@c... writes:
    >
    >
    > > documentation. So, I guess I've taken the long way around to answer you
    > > question - yes, I'm using the serial out and in commands. Wether or not
    > > the one or the other side of the transceiver needs to be disabled while
    > the
    > > other side is being used, I don't know or have documentation on.
    > >
    > >
    >
    >Tim, go to www.rfdigital.com. They are the manufacturers and should have
    >everything on their site. If you need to talk to them their number is
    >818-541-7622
    >
    >Hope this helps.
    >
    >Sid
    >
    >
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