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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-06-11 04:58 in General Discussion
Hello stampers,

As I stated in a earlier post I had the same problems with the 5804 and the
stamp. I was wondering If anyone has ever designed a highend stepper driver
using the 5804, and might be interested in sharing drawings, code or anything
else that I might be able to use. I have designed a stepper motor driven saw
that feeds material into the saw then a air cylinder lowers blade and cuts
through material, then hits a limits switch and repeats until qty is met. Vb
sends length and qty variables to the stamp. Since I ran into such speed issues
i gave up on project and never completed the driver. If anyone is interested I
might be willing to fund a project by purchasing the parts and buying a couple
of proto boards from pcb express to build a highend stepper driver for the 5804.

Thanks Jim Gorbet



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-10 03:07
    There is a dude with the North Texas Metalworker's Advisory Council (NTMAC)
    list who builds CNC routers and stuff. He would be a good source for info.

    http://www.ntmac.org/

    Don't remember the guy's name, but if you get on the chat list someone can
    direct you to him.


    > As I stated in a earlier post I had the same problems with the 5804 and
    the stamp. I was wondering If anyone has ever designed a highend stepper
    driver using the 5804, and might be interested in sharing drawings, code or
    anything else that I might be able to use. I have designed a stepper motor
    driven saw that feeds material into the saw then a air cylinder lowers blade
    and cuts through material, then hits a limits switch and repeats until qty
    is met. Vb sends length and qty variables to the stamp. Since I ran into
    such speed issues i gave up on project and never completed the driver. If
    anyone is interested I might be willing to fund a project by purchasing the
    parts and buying a couple of proto boards from pcb express to build a
    highend stepper driver for the 5804.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-10 12:54
    Hi Jim,

    I too looked into using a Stamp to drive a stepper project.

    I quickly decided to go with an old 486 PC and off the shelf stepper
    drivers.

    As my recent threads indicated, you need power to run a stepper.
    power for speed and power to do work. a 1.5v stepper @ 3 amps is
    designed to be run at 30 volts. just check out the watts to the
    motor when you keep the current the same. 1.5v@3A=4.5 watts,
    30V@3A=90watts. Big difference in delivered power from the motor and
    just as big a difference in motor speed.

    then the speed of the signals. a uni-polar is a more common stepper
    but is half as fast as a bi-polar. so running it is bipolar mode is
    preferred. that means an H-bridge. very simple stuff.

    then of course speed of signal, steppers do not run smooth at low
    speed, or at high speed. so a microstepping drive is preferred.

    figure 50khz is your target MAX speed. and I do mean max. steppers
    lose power as they increase in speed, so it will run out of power at
    high speeds. You will need some processing power to read your program
    and run three steppers. one for each axis. I do believe that is a
    bit much for a stamp.

    for $100 each chopper style bipolar stepper driver(up to 7 amp), an
    old PC, and a $10.00 software package, you can run a lathe or a
    mill. Not as much fun as building your own. and if you want to go
    cheap, you can save $10.00 and go with a free Linux software package.

    Dave






    --- In basicstamps@y..., Jim Gorbet <jimgorbet@y...> wrote:
    >
    > Hello stampers,
    >
    > As I stated in a earlier post I had the same problems with the
    5804 and the stamp. I was wondering If anyone has ever designed a
    highend stepper driver using the 5804, and might be interested in
    sharing drawings, code or anything else that I might be able to use.
    I have designed a stepper motor driven saw that feeds material into
    the saw then a air cylinder lowers blade and cuts through material,
    then hits a limits switch and repeats until qty is met. Vb sends
    length and qty variables to the stamp. Since I ran into such speed
    issues i gave up on project and never completed the driver. If
    anyone is interested I might be willing to fund a project by
    purchasing the parts and buying a couple of proto boards from pcb
    express to build a highend stepper driver for the 5804.
    >
    > Thanks Jim Gorbet
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Do You Yahoo!?
    > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup
    >
    > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-10 13:45
    Hi Jim

    check out the Allegro 3977 bipolare stepper dual h-bridge chip.
    the down side is that it is surface mount, not through hole so it may
    be beyond the ablilty of most to solder on a board. and unless your
    motors are low power, it needs to be soldered directly not put in a
    socket.

    Also, any H-bridge circuit will work, making sure you eleminate the
    dangerous regenerated voltage spikes when you switch leads.

    Dave




    --- In basicstamps@y..., Jim Gorbet <jimgorbet@y...> wrote:
    >
    > Hello stampers,
    >
    > As I stated in a earlier post I had the same problems with the
    5804 and the stamp. I was wondering If anyone has ever designed a
    highend stepper driver using the 5804, and might be interested in
    sharing drawings, code or anything else that I might be able to use.
    I have designed a stepper motor driven saw that feeds material into
    the saw then a air cylinder lowers blade and cuts through material,
    then hits a limits switch and repeats until qty is met. Vb sends
    length and qty variables to the stamp. Since I ran into such speed
    issues i gave up on project and never completed the driver. If
    anyone is interested I might be willing to fund a project by
    purchasing the parts and buying a couple of proto boards from pcb
    express to build a highend stepper driver for the 5804.
    >
    > Thanks Jim Gorbet
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Do You Yahoo!?
    > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup
    >
    > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-10 22:06
    Dave do you have any links for the driver,software ect....
    thanks
    victor
    Original Message
    From: "dave_mucha" <davemucha@j...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:54 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: stepper drive


    > Hi Jim,
    >
    > I too looked into using a Stamp to drive a stepper project.
    >
    > I quickly decided to go with an old 486 PC and off the shelf stepper
    > drivers.
    >
    > As my recent threads indicated, you need power to run a stepper.
    > power for speed and power to do work. a 1.5v stepper @ 3 amps is
    > designed to be run at 30 volts. just check out the watts to the
    > motor when you keep the current the same. 1.5v@3A=4.5 watts,
    > 30V@3A=90watts. Big difference in delivered power from the motor and
    > just as big a difference in motor speed.
    >
    > then the speed of the signals. a uni-polar is a more common stepper
    > but is half as fast as a bi-polar. so running it is bipolar mode is
    > preferred. that means an H-bridge. very simple stuff.
    >
    > then of course speed of signal, steppers do not run smooth at low
    > speed, or at high speed. so a microstepping drive is preferred.
    >
    > figure 50khz is your target MAX speed. and I do mean max. steppers
    > lose power as they increase in speed, so it will run out of power at
    > high speeds. You will need some processing power to read your program
    > and run three steppers. one for each axis. I do believe that is a
    > bit much for a stamp.
    >
    > for $100 each chopper style bipolar stepper driver(up to 7 amp), an
    > old PC, and a $10.00 software package, you can run a lathe or a
    > mill. Not as much fun as building your own. and if you want to go
    > cheap, you can save $10.00 and go with a free Linux software package.
    >
    > Dave
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., Jim Gorbet <jimgorbet@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > Hello stampers,
    > >
    > > As I stated in a earlier post I had the same problems with the
    > 5804 and the stamp. I was wondering If anyone has ever designed a
    > highend stepper driver using the 5804, and might be interested in
    > sharing drawings, code or anything else that I might be able to use.
    > I have designed a stepper motor driven saw that feeds material into
    > the saw then a air cylinder lowers blade and cuts through material,
    > then hits a limits switch and repeats until qty is met. Vb sends
    > length and qty variables to the stamp. Since I ran into such speed
    > issues i gave up on project and never completed the driver. If
    > anyone is interested I might be willing to fund a project by
    > purchasing the parts and buying a couple of proto boards from pcb
    > express to build a highend stepper driver for the 5804.
    > >
    > > Thanks Jim Gorbet
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-11 04:58
    Hi Victor,

    I'll put some stuff together for you and send it to you off list. I
    think that this is not a stamp application.

    Dave



    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Victor Faria" <victorf@g...> wrote:
    > Dave do you have any links for the driver,software ect....
    > thanks
    > victor
    >
    Original Message
    > From: "dave_mucha" <davemucha@j...>
    > To: <basicstamps@y...>
    > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:54 AM
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: stepper drive
    >
    >
    > > Hi Jim,
    > >
    > > I too looked into using a Stamp to drive a stepper project.
    > >
    > > I quickly decided to go with an old 486 PC and off the shelf
    stepper
    > > drivers.
    > >
    > > As my recent threads indicated, you need power to run a stepper.
    > > power for speed and power to do work. a 1.5v stepper @ 3 amps is
    > > designed to be run at 30 volts. just check out the watts to the
    > > motor when you keep the current the same. 1.5v@3A=4.5 watts,
    > > 30V@3A=90watts. Big difference in delivered power from the motor
    and
    > > just as big a difference in motor speed.
    > >
    > > then the speed of the signals. a uni-polar is a more common
    stepper
    > > but is half as fast as a bi-polar. so running it is bipolar mode
    is
    > > preferred. that means an H-bridge. very simple stuff.
    > >
    > > then of course speed of signal, steppers do not run smooth at low
    > > speed, or at high speed. so a microstepping drive is preferred.
    > >
    > > figure 50khz is your target MAX speed. and I do mean max.
    steppers
    > > lose power as they increase in speed, so it will run out of power
    at
    > > high speeds. You will need some processing power to read your
    program
    > > and run three steppers. one for each axis. I do believe that is
    a
    > > bit much for a stamp.
    > >
    > > for $100 each chopper style bipolar stepper driver(up to 7 amp),
    an
    > > old PC, and a $10.00 software package, you can run a lathe or a
    > > mill. Not as much fun as building your own. and if you want to
    go
    > > cheap, you can save $10.00 and go with a free Linux software
    package.
    > >
    > > Dave
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In basicstamps@y..., Jim Gorbet <jimgorbet@y...> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Hello stampers,
    > > >
    > > > As I stated in a earlier post I had the same problems with the
    > > 5804 and the stamp. I was wondering If anyone has ever designed a
    > > highend stepper driver using the 5804, and might be interested in
    > > sharing drawings, code or anything else that I might be able to
    use.
    > > I have designed a stepper motor driven saw that feeds material
    into
    > > the saw then a air cylinder lowers blade and cuts through
    material,
    > > then hits a limits switch and repeats until qty is met. Vb sends
    > > length and qty variables to the stamp. Since I ran into such speed
    > > issues i gave up on project and never completed the driver. If
    > > anyone is interested I might be willing to fund a project by
    > > purchasing the parts and buying a couple of proto boards from pcb
    > > express to build a highend stepper driver for the 5804.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks Jim Gorbet
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Do You Yahoo!?
    > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup
    > > >
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