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Vcc = Vdd ?

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-06-03 08:25 in General Discussion
Just curious.......

Vss always seems to indicate a system ground. Whereas, Vcc and Vdd seem to be
used interchangeably to indicate a voltage above ground.

Q Can anyone shed any light on the origins of Vcc and Vdd and whether or not
there is a practical distinction between them?

Sean


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-02 23:21
    >Q Can anyone shed any light on the origins of Vcc and Vdd and whether or
    not there is a practical distinction between them?
    >


    I'll try this one. I may be wrong, but with TTL (transistor-transistor
    logic), Vcc
    indicated the collector voltage source. With CMOS, Vdd indicates the drain
    voltage
    source. Assuming conventional current flow, that is.

    Do I get a cigar?

    Carl
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-02 23:27
    Carl:
    You get a cigar! Vcc (Collector) is made positve with respect to Vee (emitter)
    whereas VDD (Drain) is made positve with respect to VSS (source)
    -Randy Knutson
    carl@g... wrote: >Q Can anyone shed any light on the origins of Vcc and
    Vdd and whether or
    not there is a practical distinction between them?
    >


    I'll try this one. I may be wrong, but with TTL (transistor-transistor
    logic), Vcc
    indicated the collector voltage source. With CMOS, Vdd indicates the drain
    voltage
    source. Assuming conventional current flow, that is.

    Do I get a cigar?

    Carl


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-03 03:12
    Vcc (Collector) is made positive with respect to Vee (emitter) whereas VDD
    (Drain) is made positive with respect to VSS (source)

    Thanks Carl & Randy,
    Knew there had to be a simple reason.
    Sean
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-03 03:21
    Vdd is applied to MOS based electronics.
    Vcc is applied to Bipolar based electronics.

    Think Vdd and Drain, Vcc and Collector.

    --


    > From: "Sean Gibson" <seangib@r...>
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    > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:38:25 -0400
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    > Cc: "Sean Gibson" <seangib@r...>
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Vcc = Vdd ?
    >
    > Just curious.......
    >
    > Vss always seems to indicate a system ground. Whereas, Vcc and Vdd seem to be
    > used interchangeably to indicate a voltage above ground.
    >
    > Q Can anyone shed any light on the origins of Vcc and Vdd and whether or not
    > there is a practical distinction between them?
    >
    > Sean
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-03 04:46
    In the old days when these things were new we believed, and some still
    do, that electron flow is from negative to positive. We all knew that
    electrons would flow in to the emitter of an NPN transistor and out the
    collector. This made sense as the collector 'collected' electrons.
    Then along can this device with a source and a drain. We then, to help
    us remember, said that electrons entered the device at the source and
    would exit to the drain. This made sense also because ever one knows
    that water flows down the drain. Also if you have a stamp board of
    education Vss is clearly marked with a negative / minus sign.

    HTH,

    Leroy
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-03 04:46
    The *old* days? What about watt-sucking fire-bottles?

    ********

    > In the old days when these things were new we believed, and some still
    > do, that electron flow is from negative to positive. We all knew that
    > electrons would flow in to the emitter of an NPN transistor and out the
    > collector. This made sense as the collector 'collected' electrons.
    > Then along can this device with a source and a drain. We then, to help
    > us remember, said that electrons entered the device at the source and
    > would exit to the drain. This made sense also because ever one knows
    > that water flows down the drain. Also if you have a stamp board of
    > education Vss is clearly marked with a negative / minus sign.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-06-03 08:25
    OLD DAYS!!! Electron flow has been, will be, and always will be! from a
    negative potential to a more positive potential. You are getting
    confused with "hole" migration in semiconductor materials.

    Rob

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    In the old days when these things were new we believed, and some still
    do, that electron flow is from negative to positive. We all knew that
    electrons would flow in to the emitter of an NPN transistor and out the
    collector. This made sense as the collector 'collected' electrons.
    Then along can this device with a source and a drain. We then, to help
    us remember, said that electrons entered the device at the source and
    would exit to the drain. This made sense also because ever one knows
    that water flows down the drain. Also if you have a stamp board of
    education Vss is clearly marked with a negative / minus sign.

    HTH,

    Leroy

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