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switching AC load problem

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-05-25 17:01 in General Discussion
Dear Sir,
In my project the BS2 control a solid state relay with zero crossing to
switch on/off 220VAC contactor.The user should press a push-button to start
the operation and then the contactor is switched off when the weight reading
match the setpoint.The problem is some times pressing the push-button
corrupts the transducer A/D operation and I have to press the key which
performs the initial conditions of the A/D again.
How can I solve this problem to guarantee proper operation?
There is 250V varistor across the main.

Thank You
Mohamed Refky



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-24 18:42
    At 12:30 PM 5/24/02 +0300, Mohamed REFKY wrote:

    >In my project the BS2 control a solid state relay with zero crossing to
    >switch on/off 220VAC contactor. The problem is some times pressing the
    >push-button
    >corrupts the transducer A/D operation and I have to press the key which
    >performs the initial conditions of the A/D again.
    >How can I solve this problem to guarantee proper operation?
    >There is 250V varistor across the main.

    Add another varistor right across the coil of the contatctor. If the
    contatctor drives an inductive load, also consider adding varistors right
    at the load.

    dwayne

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-25 05:10
    Would having the huge power surge and reslutant voltage drop
    associated with starting a motor drop the voltage to your control
    system ?

    Have you tried (or are you) powering from a seperate and stabile
    source ?

    The lights in my house dim whenever the water pump starts. If a
    dimmer is on a low setting it will often just turn off the light.

    I found powering after a computer battery backup supply stops most of
    the problems.




    --- In basicstamps@y..., Dwayne Reid <dwayner@p...> wrote:
    > At 12:30 PM 5/24/02 +0300, Mohamed REFKY wrote:
    >
    > >In my project the BS2 control a solid state relay with zero
    crossing to
    > >switch on/off 220VAC contactor. The problem is some times pressing
    the
    > >push-button
    > >corrupts the transducer A/D operation and I have to press the key
    which
    > >performs the initial conditions of the A/D again.
    > >How can I solve this problem to guarantee proper operation?
    > >There is 250V varistor across the main.
    >
    > Add another varistor right across the coil of the contatctor. If
    the
    > contatctor drives an inductive load, also consider adding varistors
    right
    > at the load.
    >
    > dwayne
    >
    > --
    > Dwayne Reid <dwayner@p...>
    > Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA
    > (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-25 09:10
    Not sure, but zero crossing should not be adequate to commute
    an high inductive load as a contactor coil.
    Regards
    ECO
    Original Message
    From: "Mohamed REFKY" <refky@h...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:30 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] switching AC load problem


    >
    > Dear Sir,
    > In my project the BS2 control a solid state relay with zero crossing to
    > switch on/off 220VAC contactor.The user should press a push-button to start
    > the operation and then the contactor is switched off when the weight reading
    > match the setpoint.The problem is some times pressing the push-button
    > corrupts the transducer A/D operation and I have to press the key which
    > performs the initial conditions of the A/D again.
    > How can I solve this problem to guarantee proper operation?
    > There is 250V varistor across the main.
    >
    > Thank You
    > Mohamed Refky
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-25 16:24
    >From: "ECO" <ecourt@b...>
    >Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    >Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] switching AC load problem
    >Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 10:10:02 +0200
    >
    >Not sure, but zero crossing should not be adequate to commute
    >an high inductive load as a contactor coil.
    >Regards
    >ECO
    Why not
    What does a zero-crossing turn-on circuit refer to?
    Zero-crossing turn-on and turn-off refer to the point on the AC wave form
    when the voltage is zero. It is at this point that an AC SSR will turn on or
    off. When the AC circuit voltage is at zero, no current is flowing. This
    makes it much easier and safer for the semiconductor device in the relay to
    be turned on or off. It also generates much less electrical EMI/RFI noise


    >
    Original Message
    >From: "Mohamed REFKY" <refky@h...>
    >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:30 AM
    >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] switching AC load problem
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Dear Sir,
    > > In my project the BS2 control a solid state relay with zero crossing to
    > > switch on/off 220VAC contactor.The user should press a push-button to
    >start
    > > the operation and then the contactor is switched off when the weight
    >reading
    > > match the setpoint.The problem is some times pressing the push-button
    > > corrupts the transducer A/D operation and I have to press the key which
    > > performs the initial conditions of the A/D again.
    > > How can I solve this problem to guarantee proper operation?
    > > There is 250V varistor across the main.
    > >
    > > Thank You
    > > Mohamed Refky
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-25 17:01
    My understanding is that a 'zero crossing detector' turns on a at a line
    voltage of 0 volts, but it turns off, if switched by a TRIAC or SCR when
    the line current is zero. Because of the inductive characteristics of
    the load, this point probably won't coincide with the zero crossing of
    the line voltage. when you build a magnetic field up in a coil by
    running current through it, it continues giving current back until that
    field has collapsed. Just so you understand, the theory behind the
    thing. Hope this helps and as always I am sure I have stated something
    not quite correctly. I do this so that others can have their two cents
    worth and the whole group can understand exactly what is going on.


    HTH,

    Leroy

    Mohamed REFKY wrote:
    >
    > >From: "ECO" <ecourt@b...>
    > >Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > >Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] switching AC load problem
    > >Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 10:10:02 +0200
    > >
    > >Not sure, but zero crossing should not be adequate to commute
    > >an high inductive load as a contactor coil.
    > >Regards
    > >ECO
    > Why not
    > What does a zero-crossing turn-on circuit refer to?
    > Zero-crossing turn-on and turn-off refer to the point on the AC wave form
    > when the voltage is zero. It is at this point that an AC SSR will turn on or
    > off. When the AC circuit voltage is at zero, no current is flowing. This
    > makes it much easier and safer for the semiconductor device in the relay to
    > be turned on or off. It also generates much less electrical EMI/RFI noise
    >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >From: "Mohamed REFKY" <refky@h...>
    > >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:30 AM
    > >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] switching AC load problem
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Dear Sir,
    > > > In my project the BS2 control a solid state relay with zero crossing to
    > > > switch on/off 220VAC contactor.The user should press a push-button to
    > >start
    > > > the operation and then the contactor is switched off when the weight
    > >reading
    > > > match the setpoint.The problem is some times pressing the push-button
    > > > corrupts the transducer A/D operation and I have to press the key which
    > > > performs the initial conditions of the A/D again.
    > > > How can I solve this problem to guarantee proper operation?
    > > > There is 250V varistor across the main.
    > > >
    > > > Thank You
    > > > Mohamed Refky
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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