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There has been a misunderstanding here that requires clarification.
(1) We are porting our compiler (currently written in 80x86 assembly
language) to C/C++. Our goal is to help developers of all operating systems
create Stamp tools for their favorite OS. This project is near completion,
in fact, we have been testing the high level compiler (versus the linked
assembly language version) for over a month. It seems to be working well.
(2) We haven't decided how we will release this -- and it certainly won't be
in the next two to three weeks. The [noparse][[/noparse]business] problem for us is that
releasing the compiler source will expose Parallax trade secrets and that is
something we're not willing to do. The more likely path is that we will
precompile this code for various operating systems so that it can be linked
into IDE's and development tools created by independent developers.
I'm sure there will be a lot of groaning over the latter part of item #2,
especially from those who enjoy "open source" projects. Please understand
our position. We've sold over 2.5 million BASIC Stamps and have a top notch
service group to take care of those customers. If we released our compiler
source, it could be modified by someone not qualified to do so and create a
service nightmare for us and customers who have paid good money for their
BASIC Stamp.
By providing precompiled code, we can be sure that it's working and make
updates available for everyone using any OS.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
In a message dated 5/8/02 9:59:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
bobpence_2000@y... writes:
> This software sound good. I would love to put to use
> the $130 serial cable I bought for my Pocket PC. It is
> infinitely easier to bring a handheld into a client
> manufacturer's clean room than a laptop. For primary
> development, however, I want my keyboard; and I
> seriously doubt that this would be the key deciding
> factor as to whether a school gets handhelds or
> laptops/desktops. Like the rest of use, full-time
> students are probably best with both at the moment.
>
> Bob
>
> --- Tom Naden <majortom@k...> wrote:
> >
> > My reaction is positive. I'm a beginner and just
> > subscribed to the list to
> > find out if a compiler for the Palm OS was
> > available. Thanks for the info
> > and I'll be watching to see what happens.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: cenlasoft [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=wmbkdKkcMkX5HVJcbPa8eVZ1p65yTsafIFBjKMFLcFgBtUsjkTCZtPoWBSYyO4ZtVj7kTQDbegCeOjVq]cenlasoft@y...[/url
> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:29 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] compiler for any platform
> >
> >
> > I talked to Gabe at parallax and was told that they
> > were working on a
> > compiler or something like it to port the Basic
> > stamp IDE to the
> > various platforms such as Palm, Windows CE and would
> > be out in about
> > 2-3 weeks. I am excited because it would cut the
> > cost of a dedicated
> > full size PC or Laptop and make data aquisition
> > easier in the field.
> > Schools could afford more Parallax equipment because
> > they would not
> > have to purchase full size PCs or Laptops. I would
> > like some
> > reactions to this news.
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Curtis Desselles
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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(1) We are porting our compiler (currently written in 80x86 assembly
language) to C/C++. Our goal is to help developers of all operating systems
create Stamp tools for their favorite OS. This project is near completion,
in fact, we have been testing the high level compiler (versus the linked
assembly language version) for over a month. It seems to be working well.
(2) We haven't decided how we will release this -- and it certainly won't be
in the next two to three weeks. The [noparse][[/noparse]business] problem for us is that
releasing the compiler source will expose Parallax trade secrets and that is
something we're not willing to do. The more likely path is that we will
precompile this code for various operating systems so that it can be linked
into IDE's and development tools created by independent developers.
I'm sure there will be a lot of groaning over the latter part of item #2,
especially from those who enjoy "open source" projects. Please understand
our position. We've sold over 2.5 million BASIC Stamps and have a top notch
service group to take care of those customers. If we released our compiler
source, it could be modified by someone not qualified to do so and create a
service nightmare for us and customers who have paid good money for their
BASIC Stamp.
By providing precompiled code, we can be sure that it's working and make
updates available for everyone using any OS.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
In a message dated 5/8/02 9:59:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
bobpence_2000@y... writes:
> This software sound good. I would love to put to use
> the $130 serial cable I bought for my Pocket PC. It is
> infinitely easier to bring a handheld into a client
> manufacturer's clean room than a laptop. For primary
> development, however, I want my keyboard; and I
> seriously doubt that this would be the key deciding
> factor as to whether a school gets handhelds or
> laptops/desktops. Like the rest of use, full-time
> students are probably best with both at the moment.
>
> Bob
>
> --- Tom Naden <majortom@k...> wrote:
> >
> > My reaction is positive. I'm a beginner and just
> > subscribed to the list to
> > find out if a compiler for the Palm OS was
> > available. Thanks for the info
> > and I'll be watching to see what happens.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: cenlasoft [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=wmbkdKkcMkX5HVJcbPa8eVZ1p65yTsafIFBjKMFLcFgBtUsjkTCZtPoWBSYyO4ZtVj7kTQDbegCeOjVq]cenlasoft@y...[/url
> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:29 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] compiler for any platform
> >
> >
> > I talked to Gabe at parallax and was told that they
> > were working on a
> > compiler or something like it to port the Basic
> > stamp IDE to the
> > various platforms such as Palm, Windows CE and would
> > be out in about
> > 2-3 weeks. I am excited because it would cut the
> > cost of a dedicated
> > full size PC or Laptop and make data aquisition
> > easier in the field.
> > Schools could afford more Parallax equipment because
> > they would not
> > have to purchase full size PCs or Laptops. I would
> > like some
> > reactions to this news.
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Curtis Desselles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> > basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > from the same email address that you subscribed.
> > Text in the Subject and
> > Body of the message will be ignored.
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> > basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > from the same email address that you subscribed.
> > Text in the Subject and Body of the message will be
> > ignored.
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
>
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Comments
I was wrong. My posting was not to obtain any source code but was
simply to ask Parallax to create an IDE for alternate operating
systems such as Palm and Win CE. With the engineers Parallax
employs, I assumed it would not be a complicated task. I apologize
for any misunderstanding that I may have created. If porting you IDE
to another OS is that complicated, our (La) educational system will
have to look elsewhere.
Thanks,
Curtis Desselles
--- In basicstamps@y..., jonwms@a... wrote:
> There has been a misunderstanding here that requires clarification.
>
> (1) We are porting our compiler (currently written in 80x86
assembly
> language) to C/C++. Our goal is to help developers of all
operating systems
> create Stamp tools for their favorite OS. This project is near
completion,
> in fact, we have been testing the high level compiler (versus the
linked
> assembly language version) for over a month. It seems to be
working well.
>
> (2) We haven't decided how we will release this -- and it certainly
won't be
> in the next two to three weeks. The [noparse][[/noparse]business] problem for us is
that
> releasing the compiler source will expose Parallax trade secrets
and that is
> something we're not willing to do. The more likely path is that we
will
> precompile this code for various operating systems so that it can
be linked
> into IDE's and development tools created by independent developers.
>
> I'm sure there will be a lot of groaning over the latter part of
item #2,
> especially from those who enjoy "open source" projects. Please
understand
> our position. We've sold over 2.5 million BASIC Stamps and have a
top notch
> service group to take care of those customers. If we released our
compiler
> source, it could be modified by someone not qualified to do so and
create a
> service nightmare for us and customers who have paid good money for
their
> BASIC Stamp.
>
> By providing precompiled code, we can be sure that it's working and
make
> updates available for everyone using any OS.
>
> -- Jon Williams
> -- Parallax
>
>
> In a message dated 5/8/02 9:59:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bobpence_2000@y... writes:
>
>
> > This software sound good. I would love to put to use
> > the $130 serial cable I bought for my Pocket PC. It is
> > infinitely easier to bring a handheld into a client
> > manufacturer's clean room than a laptop. For primary
> > development, however, I want my keyboard; and I
> > seriously doubt that this would be the key deciding
> > factor as to whether a school gets handhelds or
> > laptops/desktops. Like the rest of use, full-time
> > students are probably best with both at the moment.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --- Tom Naden <majortom@k...> wrote:
> > >
> > > My reaction is positive. I'm a beginner and just
> > > subscribed to the list to
> > > find out if a compiler for the Palm OS was
> > > available. Thanks for the info
> > > and I'll be watching to see what happens.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: cenlasoft [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:cenlasoft@y...]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:29 PM
> > > To: basicstamps@y...
> > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] compiler for any platform
> > >
> > >
> > > I talked to Gabe at parallax and was told that they
> > > were working on a
> > > compiler or something like it to port the Basic
> > > stamp IDE to the
> > > various platforms such as Palm, Windows CE and would
> > > be out in about
> > > 2-3 weeks. I am excited because it would cut the
> > > cost of a dedicated
> > > full size PC or Laptop and make data aquisition
> > > easier in the field.
> > > Schools could afford more Parallax equipment because
> > > they would not
> > > have to purchase full size PCs or Laptops. I would
> > > like some
> > > reactions to this news.
> > >
> > > Thank You,
> > > Curtis Desselles
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> > > basicstamps-unsubscribe@y...
> > > from the same email address that you subscribed.
> > > Text in the Subject and
> > > Body of the message will be ignored.
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> > > basicstamps-unsubscribe@y...
> > > from the same email address that you subscribed.
> > > Text in the Subject and Body of the message will be
> > > ignored.
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
is packing for a trip to Indiana to spend two days working with educators and
BASIC Stamps.
In our Engineering meeting today, we discussed this subject. You're right,
it's not that difficult, it's just that business currently requires our
engineering efforts to be directed elsewhere (projects that fund the stuff we
give away -- like the IDE).
That said, we have a new guy onboard who does Palm development and he will
get involved as we continue to move forward. We will also look for
development partners that we can work with since we do Windows development
reasonably well, but only have one Mac in house (for our graphics designer)
no LINUX boxes, and no development tools for either.
So ... we ARE pro-education and we ARE working toward making Stamp tools
available on other operating systems. It won't happen next week though, in
fact, in may be six or more months away.
-- Jon Williams
-- Parallax
In a message dated 5/8/02 6:23:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
cenlasoft@y... writes:
> I was under the impression that Parallax was pro education but maybe
> I was wrong. My posting was not to obtain any source code but was
> simply to ask Parallax to create an IDE for alternate operating
> systems such as Palm and Win CE. With the engineers Parallax
> employs, I assumed it would not be a complicated task. I apologize
> for any misunderstanding that I may have created. If porting you IDE
> to another OS is that complicated, our (La) educational system will
> have to look elsewhere.
> Thanks,
>
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 06:20 PM, cenlasoft wrote:
> I was under the impression that Parallax was pro education but maybe
> I was wrong. My posting was not to obtain any source code but was
> simply to ask Parallax to create an IDE for alternate operating
> systems such as Palm and Win CE. With the engineers Parallax
> employs, I assumed it would not be a complicated task. I apologize
> for any misunderstanding that I may have created. If porting you IDE
> to another OS is that complicated, our (La) educational system will
> have to look elsewhere.
> Thanks,
> Curtis Desselles
>
> --- In basicstamps@y..., jonwms@a... wrote:
>> There has been a misunderstanding here that requires clarification.
>>
>> (1) We are porting our compiler (currently written in 80x86
> assembly
>> language) to C/C++. Our goal is to help developers of all
> operating systems
>> create Stamp tools for their favorite OS. This project is near
> completion,
>> in fact, we have been testing the high level compiler (versus the
> linked
>> assembly language version) for over a month. It seems to be
> working well.
>>
>> (2) We haven't decided how we will release this -- and it certainly
> won't be
>> in the next two to three weeks. The [noparse][[/noparse]business] problem for us is
> that
>> releasing the compiler source will expose Parallax trade secrets
> and that is
>> something we're not willing to do. The more likely path is that we
> will
>> precompile this code for various operating systems so that it can
> be linked
>> into IDE's and development tools created by independent developers.
>>
>> I'm sure there will be a lot of groaning over the latter part of
> item #2,
>> especially from those who enjoy "open source" projects. Please
> understand
>> our position. We've sold over 2.5 million BASIC Stamps and have a
> top notch
>> service group to take care of those customers. If we released our
> compiler
>> source, it could be modified by someone not qualified to do so and
> create a
>> service nightmare for us and customers who have paid good money for
> their
>> BASIC Stamp.
>>
>> By providing precompiled code, we can be sure that it's working and
> make
>> updates available for everyone using any OS.
>>
>> -- Jon Williams
>> -- Parallax
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/8/02 9:59:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
>> bobpence_2000@y... writes:
>>
>>
>>> This software sound good. I would love to put to use
>>> the $130 serial cable I bought for my Pocket PC. It is
>>> infinitely easier to bring a handheld into a client
>>> manufacturer's clean room than a laptop. For primary
>>> development, however, I want my keyboard; and I
>>> seriously doubt that this would be the key deciding
>>> factor as to whether a school gets handhelds or
>>> laptops/desktops. Like the rest of use, full-time
>>> students are probably best with both at the moment.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> --- Tom Naden <majortom@k...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My reaction is positive. I'm a beginner and just
>>>> subscribed to the list to
>>>> find out if a compiler for the Palm OS was
>>>> available. Thanks for the info
>>>> and I'll be watching to see what happens.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
Original Message
>>>> From: cenlasoft [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:cenlasoft@y...]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:29 PM
>>>> To: basicstamps@y...
>>>> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] compiler for any platform
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I talked to Gabe at parallax and was told that they
>>>> were working on a
>>>> compiler or something like it to port the Basic
>>>> stamp IDE to the
>>>> various platforms such as Palm, Windows CE and would
>>>> be out in about
>>>> 2-3 weeks. I am excited because it would cut the
>>>> cost of a dedicated
>>>> full size PC or Laptop and make data aquisition
>>>> easier in the field.
>>>> Schools could afford more Parallax equipment because
>>>> they would not
>>>> have to purchase full size PCs or Laptops. I would
>>>> like some
>>>> reactions to this news.
>>>>
>>>> Thank You,
>>>> Curtis Desselles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
>>>> basicstamps-unsubscribe@y...
>>>> from the same email address that you subscribed.
>>>> Text in the Subject and
>>>> Body of the message will be ignored.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
>>>> basicstamps-unsubscribe@y...
>>>> from the same email address that you subscribed.
>>>> Text in the Subject and Body of the message will be
>>>> ignored.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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