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Flow Meter

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-05-06 00:35 in General Discussion
Would anyone know where to get an inexpensive flow meter. Just needed for normal
temperature water and would have to measure about 1/2 gal per minute. I don't
want to construct one myself and would like to buy one off the shelf. Signal
output is not that important as something can always be figured out, but
something in the $10.00 range is needed to keep costs down.

Hank

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-06 00:08
    Why not buy / hack an inexpensive impeller pump like is used to circulate
    water for a fountain or live well.

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    > Would anyone know where to get an inexpensive flow meter. Just needed for
    normal temperature water and would have to measure about 1/2 gal per minute.
    I don't want to construct one myself and would like to buy one off the
    shelf. Signal output is not that important as something can always be
    figured out, but something in the $10.00 range is needed to keep costs down.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-06 00:27
    You need to also need to know the working pressure.
    Plastic flow sensors/switches are good to 100 PSI typically and
    BRass/Composit ones are for higher pressures.

    A simple on/off flow switch (industrial quality) is around $50. The Rotary
    type ran about twice that.
    The switch uses a paddle or magnet that gets pushed near a reed switch when
    the flow is at or above the trip point. It is cheaper, but if the water has
    any minerals in it can deposit on the paddle and make it stick or fail in the
    active state. You will not know it has failed until disaster strikes. Any
    place there is turbulence in the water, the minerals can leach out of the
    water and start a deposit. Using all distilled water will prevent this, but
    may not be practical.

    The rotary type outputs pulses as the rotary paddles pass the switch or
    sensor. You count the number of pulses per unit of time for the flow rate.
    This is also easier to detect failure, as no pulses means no water flow or a
    sensor jam/failure

    When working with water flows one must think of the consequences of a sensor
    failure. Is the water cooling something expensive? Life Threatening? Don't
    skimp on a safety device.

    A source we use on Plasma Torch cooling systems is made by GEMS
    http://www.gemssensors.com/

    There is also a company named Proteus that make s sensors, but I don't know
    the web site. They are more reliable (and more $$$) than the GEMS

    Hope this helps

    Alan Bradford
    Plasma Technologies
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-06 00:29
    ive been trying to design/build 2 flow meters, 1 to measure the fuel feeding
    the fuel injectors and pressure regulator and 1 to measure the flow leaving
    the pressure regulator and going back to the tank.

    off the shelf units are about $200.00 us and i need 2!.

    that hurts.
    so

    put a small coil above the 5/16" rubber fuel line, feed it with a square
    wave of say oh about 1 mhz. put another coil on the bottom of the hose below
    the top one. then feed this coil to the input of a freq to voltage
    converter, then feed the f2v converter to a 12-16 bit a2d converter, now
    read the a2d converter and what should we have?

    has anyone tried this?
    good/bad idea?
    any ideas about the coils for this purpose?
    how about it people?
    can we make this work?

    normdoty@h...



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    >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Flow Meter
    >Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 18:33:45 -0400
    >
    >Would anyone know where to get an inexpensive flow meter. Just needed for
    >normal temperature water and would have to measure about 1/2 gal per
    >minute. I don't want to construct one myself and would like to buy one off
    >the shelf. Signal output is not that important as something can always be
    >figured out, but something in the $10.00 range is needed to keep costs
    >down.
    >
    >Hank
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-05-06 00:35
    Years ago I designed (among other things) electromagnetic flow meters
    for the government (SPR project among others).

    An electromagnetic flow meter can be done, but there are a few things
    you have to watch for.

    1) The fluid has to be at least slightly conductive.
    2) The recovered signal is very small.
    3) The recovered signal is riding on the huge excitation voltage you are
    applying (noise).
    4) It is easier to work with if the head is actually in the fluid to
    measure the voltage. Otherwise, you are expecting inductive coupling in
    both directions which gives you even less signal and more noise.
    5) If you are using coils the pipe has to be non conductive.

    1MHz is probably too high. If I recall, we used an 18kHz excitation and
    used switched capacitor filters to recover the signal. Your noise is all
    common mode, so it is easy to reject, but all of this requires careful
    design.

    Al Williams
    AWC
    * Floating point A/D
    http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak9.htm



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    > From: norman doty [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=qiKP0NkOs9ebTqfMB6PNQwWYJG2BXhWwgh53wfqw_Eox8nYRcRtsxwCk7NJejS-Ld92cTZlSyPY6Fzbc]normdoty@h...[/url
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    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Flow Meter
    >
    >
    > ive been trying to design/build 2 flow meters, 1 to measure
    > the fuel feeding
    > the fuel injectors and pressure regulator and 1 to measure
    > the flow leaving
    > the pressure regulator and going back to the tank.
    >
    > off the shelf units are about $200.00 us and i need 2!.
    >
    > that hurts.
    > so
    >
    > put a small coil above the 5/16" rubber fuel line, feed it
    > with a square
    > wave of say oh about 1 mhz. put another coil on the bottom of
    > the hose below
    > the top one. then feed this coil to the input of a freq to voltage
    > converter, then feed the f2v converter to a 12-16 bit a2d
    > converter, now
    > read the a2d converter and what should we have?
    >
    > has anyone tried this?
    > good/bad idea?
    > any ideas about the coils for this purpose?
    > how about it people?
    > can we make this work?
    >
    > normdoty@h...
    >
    >
    >
    > >From: "Hank Hagquist" <hankster@h...>
    > >Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Flow Meter
    > >Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 18:33:45 -0400
    > >
    > >Would anyone know where to get an inexpensive flow meter.
    > Just needed
    > >for
    > >normal temperature water and would have to measure about 1/2 gal per
    > >minute. I don't want to construct one myself and would like
    > to buy one off
    > >the shelf. Signal output is not that important as something
    > can always be
    > >figured out, but something in the $10.00 range is needed to
    > keep costs
    > >down.
    > >
    > >Hank
    > >
    > >
    > >
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