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Potentiometer rotational torque

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-04-16 13:35 in General Discussion
I was talked out of making my own pressure gauge for 1,000's of psi- the
safety issues prevailing. Someone offeredthe idea of hacking a mechanical
gauge mechanism, coupling it to a pot, then into an A/D.
Now I have a very small shaft (which the needle-type dial indicator was once
pressed on to) that I want to couple to a pot shaft. I have checked the
vaiety of pots in my parts drawers and toy box, and they all seem to require
more rotational torque than I would like to apply with the tiny mechanism. I
want to find a type of pot that is easy to turn.

I have searched the catalogs hoping to find some kind of designation that
might apply - to no avail.

Does anyone have any clues that may help me along with this???

TIA,
Chris

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-04-15 17:57
    It sounds like you may need to add some kind of gear to the gauge shaft. With a
    large gear you will get a significant torque advantage, but you may lose some
    range depending on the number of rotations your pot is capable of turning.
    I think a better option would be some kind of optical shaft encoder. They make
    them with patterns so that the angle of the shaft can be determined, and their
    output is digital. Hope this helps,
    Dan Fox
    "Chris Loiacono (E-mail)" <chris01@t...> wrote: I was talked out of
    making my own pressure gauge for 1,000's of psi- the
    safety issues prevailing. Someone offeredthe idea of hacking a mechanical
    gauge mechanism, coupling it to a pot, then into an A/D.
    Now I have a very small shaft (which the needle-type dial indicator was once
    pressed on to) that I want to couple to a pot shaft. I have checked the
    vaiety of pots in my parts drawers and toy box, and they all seem to require
    more rotational torque than I would like to apply with the tiny mechanism. I
    want to find a type of pot that is easy to turn.

    I have searched the catalogs hoping to find some kind of designation that
    might apply - to no avail.

    Does anyone have any clues that may help me along with this???

    TIA,
    Chris


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-04-15 18:56
    There is not sufficient rotation to gear the motion downward. A typical
    gauge face has about the same useable angle as a single-turn pot.
    Optical is certainly the most reliable method to use, but I have avoided it
    because of certain process limitations. This design is battery powered, and
    needs to run only when there is pressure applied, ie: when the sensor or
    gauge is connected to a pressurized line or tank it will turn on and start
    transmitting pressure data. When removed from the pressure source it will
    turn off. With an optical encoder, I don't know of a way to accomplish this
    while maintaining a consistent reference.
    If I can't get past the mechanical requirement of the pot, I will go to
    optical with an on/off switch, which I am hoping to avoid....auto on/off is
    much more desireable.

    c

    >
    > It sounds like you may need to add some kind of gear to the
    > gauge shaft. With a large gear you will get a significant
    > torque advantage, but you may lose some range depending on
    > the number of rotations your pot is capable of turning.
    > I think a better option would be some kind of optical shaft
    > encoder. They make them with patterns so that the angle of
    > the shaft can be determined, and their output is digital.
    > Hope this helps,
    > Dan Fox
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-04-15 21:21
    What if you used a pressure switch to turn the power on to a pressure
    sensor. Digikey sells some pressure sensors that will handle 2500psi. Then
    find a pressure switch for the range of pressure you are trying to measure,
    when the pressure builds up it kicks on the battery powered device.
    Original Message
    From: "Chris Loiacono (E-mail)" <chris01@t...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:56 AM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Potentiometer rotational torque


    > There is not sufficient rotation to gear the motion downward. A typical
    > gauge face has about the same useable angle as a single-turn pot.
    > Optical is certainly the most reliable method to use, but I have avoided
    it
    > because of certain process limitations. This design is battery powered,
    and
    > needs to run only when there is pressure applied, ie: when the sensor or
    > gauge is connected to a pressurized line or tank it will turn on and start
    > transmitting pressure data. When removed from the pressure source it will
    > turn off. With an optical encoder, I don't know of a way to accomplish
    this
    > while maintaining a consistent reference.
    > If I can't get past the mechanical requirement of the pot, I will go to
    > optical with an on/off switch, which I am hoping to avoid....auto on/off
    is
    > much more desireable.
    >
    > c
    >
    > >
    > > It sounds like you may need to add some kind of gear to the
    > > gauge shaft. With a large gear you will get a significant
    > > torque advantage, but you may lose some range depending on
    > > the number of rotations your pot is capable of turning.
    > > I think a better option would be some kind of optical shaft
    > > encoder. They make them with patterns so that the angle of
    > > the shaft can be determined, and their output is digital.
    > > Hope this helps,
    > > Dan Fox
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-04-16 03:05
    What if you attached a magnet to the wheel of the optical encoder and used it to
    actuate a reed switch? If the magnet is at the low reading of the gauge it
    should keep everything off when there is no pressure, and then turn on when the
    needle rises.
    Dan

    "Chris Loiacono (E-mail)" <chris01@t...> wrote: There is not
    sufficient rotation to gear the motion downward. A typical
    gauge face has about the same useable angle as a single-turn pot.
    Optical is certainly the most reliable method to use, but I have avoided it
    because of certain process limitations. This design is battery powered, and
    needs to run only when there is pressure applied, ie: when the sensor or
    gauge is connected to a pressurized line or tank it will turn on and start
    transmitting pressure data. When removed from the pressure source it will
    turn off. With an optical encoder, I don't know of a way to accomplish this
    while maintaining a consistent reference.
    If I can't get past the mechanical requirement of the pot, I will go to
    optical with an on/off switch, which I am hoping to avoid....auto on/off is
    much more desireable.

    c



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-04-16 13:35
    A truly good idea, however, when connecting this device to the pressurized
    line, the wheel turns to reflect the pressure very quickly - probably in
    usec's. At some point in the rotatation, the controller would come alive, no
    doubt having missed the zero reference altogether. I suspect it would read
    differently each time it was started.

    C

    >
    > What if you attached a magnet to the wheel of the optical
    > encoder and used it to actuate a reed switch? If the magnet
    > is at the low reading of the gauge it should keep everything
    > off when there is no pressure, and then turn on when the
    > needle rises.
    > Dan
    >
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