Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
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This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some more
information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run into
road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project and
I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a 486DX
based SBC.
The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I need
now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution power?
How about string manipulation?
Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
ignoring the decimal point?
Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable than it
actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my loop
under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
happy with 400ms.
Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later. If
you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify flying
out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
Robert Staph, W3RCS
The Center for Advanced Technologies
Original Message
From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference / Stamp
Courses
> Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the Javelin.
> The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and create
> reusable pieces.
>
> We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think you
> will enjoy the manual.
>
> One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of the
> advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but you
> can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> techniques.
>
> If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you can
> go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to skip
> that book, however.
>
> You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> also have several tutorials at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
>
> I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes from
> time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a while --
> maybe I should set something up soon.
>
> Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
>
> Al Williams
> AWC
> * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
>
>
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Qf08ejDMvinw9c8opXFmTvF7KDtqK2HJKrt0PQUDXk5HBUd5QJvi6HnQ_pBeZVVY2pR1zQ]jonwms@a...[/url
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > Conference / Stamp Courses
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > fuel@b... writes:
> >
> >
> > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > programming
> > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > obviously heaps
> > >
> >
> > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > (and fellow
> > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> >
> > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > books on Java. Of
> > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > written by Al (who has
> > a TON of Java experience).
> >
> > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > There is a specific
> > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > important for the
> > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > course, being an
> > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > found on a PC and
> > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > said, I have
> > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > unchanged -- from an
> > off-the-shelf Java book.
> >
> > -- Jon Williams
> > -- Parallax
> >
> >
> > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
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information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run into
road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project and
I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a 486DX
based SBC.
The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I need
now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution power?
How about string manipulation?
Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
ignoring the decimal point?
Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable than it
actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my loop
under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
happy with 400ms.
Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later. If
you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify flying
out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
Robert Staph, W3RCS
The Center for Advanced Technologies
Original Message
From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference / Stamp
Courses
> Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the Javelin.
> The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and create
> reusable pieces.
>
> We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think you
> will enjoy the manual.
>
> One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of the
> advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but you
> can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> techniques.
>
> If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you can
> go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to skip
> that book, however.
>
> You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> also have several tutorials at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
>
> I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes from
> time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a while --
> maybe I should set something up soon.
>
> Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
>
> Al Williams
> AWC
> * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
>
>
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Qf08ejDMvinw9c8opXFmTvF7KDtqK2HJKrt0PQUDXk5HBUd5QJvi6HnQ_pBeZVVY2pR1zQ]jonwms@a...[/url
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > Conference / Stamp Courses
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > fuel@b... writes:
> >
> >
> > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > programming
> > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > obviously heaps
> > >
> >
> > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > (and fellow
> > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> >
> > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > books on Java. Of
> > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > written by Al (who has
> > a TON of Java experience).
> >
> > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > There is a specific
> > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > important for the
> > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > course, being an
> > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > found on a PC and
> > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > said, I have
> > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > unchanged -- from an
> > off-the-shelf Java book.
> >
> > -- Jon Williams
> > -- Parallax
> >
> >
> > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> > basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the
> > Subject and Body of the message will be ignored.
> >
> >
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Comments
If you want the job done now, I suggest two alternatives:
There are some areas where the stamp is just no good. I'd suggest you look
at the ooPIC www.oopic.com or the ooPIC2 - www.oopic2.com
The way the ooPIC is designed means that you have *some* concurrent
facilities, and it seems faster than the stamps I've used.
Also, for some of the real hairy jobs, I use the Rabbit processor such as
the RCM2000 range. These are damn powerfull Z80's beefed up with high Mhz
clock rate and lots of onboard ram and eeprom but initial cost is higher
than a stamp cos they require a specialized C compiler. What is really neat
is that some models come with an ethernet connection and the C compiler
supports TCP/IP stack.
T
Original Message
From: "Robert Staph" <rstaph@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:41 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded Systems
Conference / Stamp Courses
> This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some
more
> information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run
into
> road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project and
> I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a
486DX
> based SBC.
>
> The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I need
> now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution
power?
> How about string manipulation?
>
> Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
> ignoring the decimal point?
>
> Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
> first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable than
it
> actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
> actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my loop
> under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
> happy with 400ms.
>
> Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later. If
> you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify flying
> out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
>
> Robert Staph, W3RCS
> The Center for Advanced Technologies
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference /
Stamp
> Courses
>
>
> > Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the Javelin.
> > The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> > like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and create
> > reusable pieces.
> >
> > We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> > didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think you
> > will enjoy the manual.
> >
> > One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> > advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of the
> > advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but you
> > can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> > techniques.
> >
> > If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you can
> > go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> > because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> > don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to skip
> > that book, however.
> >
> > You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> > also have several tutorials at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> > As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> > and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> > network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
> >
> > I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> > (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes from
> > time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a while --
> > maybe I should set something up soon.
> >
> > Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
> >
> > Al Williams
> > AWC
> > * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Ttru84cONcMayQTz4Yrnc0iFiRQGkLpjIdsntO0CxGWIVFLLSsMZe1HVkKrsFC3YtCJ0g4_3yXw]jonwms@a...[/url
> > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > > Conference / Stamp Courses
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > fuel@b... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > > programming
> > > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > > obviously heaps
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > > (and fellow
> > > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> > >
> > > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > > books on Java. Of
> > > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > > written by Al (who has
> > > a TON of Java experience).
> > >
> > > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > > There is a specific
> > > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > > important for the
> > > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > > course, being an
> > > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > > found on a PC and
> > > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > > said, I have
> > > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > > unchanged -- from an
> > > off-the-shelf Java book.
> > >
> > > -- Jon Williams
> > > -- Parallax
> > >
> > >
> > > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
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The Javelin Stamp(tm) can run tasks in the background. For example, it can
have a serial conversation at the same time that it is measuring the time it
takes for an RC circuit to cross a threshold. It can even deliver multiple
PWM signals at the same time that it is buffering several k-bytes worth of
serial conversation and taking an RC time measurement. The Javelin's
ability to maintain multiple background processes and buffer information can
get you through a great many design obstacles in short order.
We will post some preliminary documentation in mid march, and we are still
on track for delivering Javelin Stamps and Javelin Stamp Starter kits on
April 2. There is some newly updated catalog information here:
http://64.27.84.239/javelin_stamp_details.htm
The Javelin Stamp module will cost in the neighborhood of $90, and the
starter kit, will be in the neighborhood of $250. The starter kit has lots
of goodies. Please keep in mind that these prices are ballpark. I will ask
marketing to post price and release updates.
Andy
Andrew Lindsay, Parallax, Inc.
Parallax, Inc. home page....................www.parallaxinc.com
BASIC Stamp Educational Resources...........www.stampsinclass.com
(tm) Javelin Stamp is a trademark of Parallax, Inc.
Original Message
From: Robert Staph [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=dSh8GogoRcI_kCs8RbOdLDvzCGkuR1R8NtRqPAcplCgXZrabIDKmZR63DmxK7Gc5nfdVfGqwQVjmbIyU]rstaph@a...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:41 AM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some more
information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run into
road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project and
I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a 486DX
based SBC.
The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I need
now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution power?
How about string manipulation?
Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
ignoring the decimal point?
Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable than it
actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my loop
under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
happy with 400ms.
Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later. If
you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify flying
out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
Robert Staph, W3RCS
The Center for Advanced Technologies
Original Message
From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference / Stamp
Courses
> Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the Javelin.
> The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and create
> reusable pieces.
>
> We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think you
> will enjoy the manual.
>
> One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of the
> advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but you
> can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> techniques.
>
> If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you can
> go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to skip
> that book, however.
>
> You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> also have several tutorials at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
>
> I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes from
> time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a while --
> maybe I should set something up soon.
>
> Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
>
> Al Williams
> AWC
> * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
>
>
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=zDy6kgEpX8RxmGzPGqPssRbBhsu95PN-Wbn8DwM0ZXEPyShbxv5D4T-SzCfSrvNJbQJQq36zOsxk]jonwms@a...[/url
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > Conference / Stamp Courses
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > fuel@b... writes:
> >
> >
> > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > programming
> > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > obviously heaps
> > >
> >
> > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > (and fellow
> > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> >
> > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > books on Java. Of
> > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > written by Al (who has
> > a TON of Java experience).
> >
> > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > There is a specific
> > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > important for the
> > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > course, being an
> > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > found on a PC and
> > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > said, I have
> > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > unchanged -- from an
> > off-the-shelf Java book.
> >
> > -- Jon Williams
> > -- Parallax
> >
> >
> > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> > basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the
> > Subject and Body of the message will be ignored.
> >
> >
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As you may have gathered from my other e-mail, your Q3 information is not
correct. My guess is that you are looking at a cached version of the
Javelin Stamp web site. Please review my other e-mail and this site:
http://64.27.84.239/javelin_stamp_details.htm
Since you are familiar with the Z80, I think you'll be very pleasantly
surprised with the Javelin Stamp's functionality and usefulness.
Andy
Andrew Lindsay, Parallax, Inc.
Parallax, Inc. home page....................www.parallaxinc.com
BASIC Stamp Educational Resources...........www.stampsinclass.com
Original Message
From: tony.wells@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=itlfaKsXM6eP6jTIF0O1PweLJwmajnSxu2LaS71TO4gACWgJdWmMULGtrJ4_-XOFuVn22tCZFgy3wGkimg1Qa7yB]tony.wells@a...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:49 AM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
I think the Javelin won't be ready till Q3 this year.
If you want the job done now, I suggest two alternatives:
There are some areas where the stamp is just no good. I'd suggest you look
at the ooPIC www.oopic.com or the ooPIC2 - www.oopic2.com
The way the ooPIC is designed means that you have *some* concurrent
facilities, and it seems faster than the stamps I've used.
Also, for some of the real hairy jobs, I use the Rabbit processor such as
the RCM2000 range. These are damn powerfull Z80's beefed up with high Mhz
clock rate and lots of onboard ram and eeprom but initial cost is higher
than a stamp cos they require a specialized C compiler. What is really neat
is that some models come with an ethernet connection and the C compiler
supports TCP/IP stack.
T
Original Message
From: "Robert Staph" <rstaph@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:41 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded Systems
Conference / Stamp Courses
> This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some
more
> information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run
into
> road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project and
> I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a
486DX
> based SBC.
>
> The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I need
> now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution
power?
> How about string manipulation?
>
> Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
> ignoring the decimal point?
>
> Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
> first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable than
it
> actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
> actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my loop
> under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
> happy with 400ms.
>
> Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later. If
> you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify flying
> out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
>
> Robert Staph, W3RCS
> The Center for Advanced Technologies
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference /
Stamp
> Courses
>
>
> > Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the Javelin.
> > The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> > like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and create
> > reusable pieces.
> >
> > We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> > didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think you
> > will enjoy the manual.
> >
> > One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> > advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of the
> > advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but you
> > can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> > techniques.
> >
> > If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you can
> > go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> > because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> > don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to skip
> > that book, however.
> >
> > You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> > also have several tutorials at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> > As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> > and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> > network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
> >
> > I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> > (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes from
> > time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a while --
> > maybe I should set something up soon.
> >
> > Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
> >
> > Al Williams
> > AWC
> > * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=z-zz-f9RKh3AAP9HHLaesDex1zseZHZYa68IGZDE90M6Ka__rvJKV-V5HFB6IpCGeWGHHtY]jonwms@a...[/url
> > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > > Conference / Stamp Courses
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > fuel@b... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > > programming
> > > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > > obviously heaps
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > > (and fellow
> > > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> > >
> > > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > > books on Java. Of
> > > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > > written by Al (who has
> > > a TON of Java experience).
> > >
> > > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > > There is a specific
> > > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > > important for the
> > > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > > course, being an
> > > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > > found on a PC and
> > > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > > said, I have
> > > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > > unchanged -- from an
> > > off-the-shelf Java book.
> > >
> > > -- Jon Williams
> > > -- Parallax
> > >
> > >
> > > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
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project before you elect a Stamp or any other micro controller solution. The
Parallax Stamp is a fine product. Your question of how much and when should
follow the understanding of your requirements and not lead your selection
based on price or whiz bang.
Steve.
Original Message
From: "Robert Staph" <rstaph@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:41 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded Systems
Conference / Stamp Courses
> This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some
more
> information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run
into
> road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project and
> I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a
486DX
> based SBC.
>
> The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I need
> now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution
power?
> How about string manipulation?
>
> Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
> ignoring the decimal point?
>
> Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
> first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable than
it
> actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
> actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my loop
> under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
> happy with 400ms.
>
> Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later. If
> you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify flying
> out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
>
> Robert Staph, W3RCS
> The Center for Advanced Technologies
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference /
Stamp
> Courses
>
>
> > Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the Javelin.
> > The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> > like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and create
> > reusable pieces.
> >
> > We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> > didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think you
> > will enjoy the manual.
> >
> > One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> > advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of the
> > advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but you
> > can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> > techniques.
> >
> > If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you can
> > go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> > because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> > don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to skip
> > that book, however.
> >
> > You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> > also have several tutorials at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> > As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> > and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> > network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
> >
> > I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> > (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes from
> > time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a while --
> > maybe I should set something up soon.
> >
> > Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
> >
> > Al Williams
> > AWC
> > * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=r9YfB1V3j8DeZYXepfVkMojst1uGPLm3fvx-bS4KCWyK1JJlGb9iOnqM9Aa3ZrGMKkFC5XuB6Ac]jonwms@a...[/url
> > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > > Conference / Stamp Courses
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > fuel@b... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > > programming
> > > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > > obviously heaps
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > > (and fellow
> > > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> > >
> > > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > > books on Java. Of
> > > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > > written by Al (who has
> > > a TON of Java experience).
> > >
> > > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > > There is a specific
> > > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > > important for the
> > > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > > course, being an
> > > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > > found on a PC and
> > > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > > said, I have
> > > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > > unchanged -- from an
> > > off-the-shelf Java book.
> > >
> > > -- Jon Williams
> > > -- Parallax
> > >
> > >
> > > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
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that sheet. Parallax will have to recognize that you can't leave the
decimal point out forever, some people don't like putting up with
work-arounds for something that is supported in all the competeing products
on the market.
Strings are mentioned on the page but I doubt they are the kind that I'm
thinking of. I'd love to be able to do something like:
Capture "shutdown -h now" from the serial port and enter the string into a
single variable.
s_open(1, $command1);
echoing the variable would output the captured "shutdown -h now"
then be able to manipulate the string a bit, like re-order the contents
based on a string seperator.
$command1 = str_lasttofirst($command1, " ");
then echo $command1 to get "now -h shutdown"
I've fallen in love with the simple flow of PHP (the web language), its
easier to use than PBASIC in my mind. Plus it has a nearly infinite number
of abilities.
The Javelin is a welcomed product in my eyes. I will probably buy one just
to toy around with at first. I'm glad parallax is developing new products
in line with current industry progression, I just hate having to put the
parallax hardware a side to get something done.
I guess ease of use comes at a high price in terms of flexability and speed.
Original Message
From: "Andy Lindsay" <alindsay@p...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> Mr. Wells,
>
> As you may have gathered from my other e-mail, your Q3 information is not
> correct. My guess is that you are looking at a cached version of the
> Javelin Stamp web site. Please review my other e-mail and this site:
>
> http://64.27.84.239/javelin_stamp_details.htm
>
> Since you are familiar with the Z80, I think you'll be very pleasantly
> surprised with the Javelin Stamp's functionality and usefulness.
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew Lindsay, Parallax, Inc.
>
> Parallax, Inc. home page....................www.parallaxinc.com
> BASIC Stamp Educational Resources...........www.stampsinclass.com
>
>
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: tony.wells@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=rEIiMxGO13Esv_9yrO6V0zfwVmZBtOT8LjmeXn6Gxko3i4iYkrmQl2MlQeGj3tkql_9Q0aIN1jWvliVJis_Zw3fR]tony.wells@a...[/url
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:49 AM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
>
>
> I think the Javelin won't be ready till Q3 this year.
>
> If you want the job done now, I suggest two alternatives:
>
> There are some areas where the stamp is just no good. I'd suggest you look
> at the ooPIC www.oopic.com or the ooPIC2 - www.oopic2.com
>
> The way the ooPIC is designed means that you have *some* concurrent
> facilities, and it seems faster than the stamps I've used.
>
> Also, for some of the real hairy jobs, I use the Rabbit processor such as
> the RCM2000 range. These are damn powerfull Z80's beefed up with high Mhz
> clock rate and lots of onboard ram and eeprom but initial cost is higher
> than a stamp cos they require a specialized C compiler. What is really
neat
> is that some models come with an ethernet connection and the C compiler
> supports TCP/IP stack.
>
> T
>
Original Message
> From: "Robert Staph" <rstaph@a...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:41 PM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded Systems
> Conference / Stamp Courses
>
>
> > This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some
> more
> > information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run
> into
> > road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project
and
> > I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a
> 486DX
> > based SBC.
> >
> > The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I
need
> > now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution
> power?
> > How about string manipulation?
> >
> > Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
> > ignoring the decimal point?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
> > first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable
than
> it
> > actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
> > actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my
loop
> > under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
> > happy with 400ms.
> >
> > Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later.
If
> > you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify
flying
> > out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
> >
> > Robert Staph, W3RCS
> > The Center for Advanced Technologies
> >
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference /
> Stamp
> > Courses
> >
> >
> > > Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the
Javelin.
> > > The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> > > like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and
create
> > > reusable pieces.
> > >
> > > We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> > > didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think
you
> > > will enjoy the manual.
> > >
> > > One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> > > advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of
the
> > > advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but
you
> > > can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> > > techniques.
> > >
> > > If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you
can
> > > go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> > > because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> > > don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to
skip
> > > that book, however.
> > >
> > > You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> > > also have several tutorials at
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> > > As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> > > and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> > > network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
> > >
> > > I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> > > (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes
from
> > > time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a
while --
> > > maybe I should set something up soon.
> > >
> > > Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
> > >
> > > Al Williams
> > > AWC
> > > * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> > > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=RMUCSkyBn8gUHUIHIXe5HM5W2jMOUOi50WGZtynegC_eK27bWMvjPOuFSycKef9e5AFg80DX]jonwms@a...[/url
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > > > Conference / Stamp Courses
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > > fuel@b... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > > > programming
> > > > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > > > obviously heaps
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > > > (and fellow
> > > > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> > > >
> > > > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > > > books on Java. Of
> > > > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > > > written by Al (who has
> > > > a TON of Java experience).
> > > >
> > > > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > > > There is a specific
> > > > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > > > important for the
> > > > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > > > course, being an
> > > > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > > > found on a PC and
> > > > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > > > said, I have
> > > > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > > > unchanged -- from an
> > > > off-the-shelf Java book.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jon Williams
> > > > -- Parallax
> > > >
> > > >
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RAM does your PC have and how fast is the processor? Small / compact
solutions often require you to think differently and work around what appear
to be limitations in your mind. Not too many things you can't do with a
Stamp or two, you just have to know how to get there. Al and Jon can tell
you that.
Original Message
> If that information is accurate, I still don't see floating point math on
> that sheet. Parallax will have to recognize that you can't leave the
> decimal point out forever, some people don't like putting up with
> work-arounds for something that is supported in all the competeing
products
> on the market.
>
> Strings are mentioned on the page but I doubt they are the kind that I'm
> thinking of. I'd love to be able to do something like:
>
> Capture "shutdown -h now" from the serial port and enter the string into a
> single variable.
> s_open(1, $command1);
>
> echoing the variable would output the captured "shutdown -h now"
> then be able to manipulate the string a bit, like re-order the contents
> based on a string seperator.
>
> $command1 = str_lasttofirst($command1, " ");
> then echo $command1 to get "now -h shutdown"
>
> I've fallen in love with the simple flow of PHP (the web language), its
> easier to use than PBASIC in my mind. Plus it has a nearly infinite
number
> of abilities.
>
> The Javelin is a welcomed product in my eyes. I will probably buy one
just
> to toy around with at first. I'm glad parallax is developing new products
> in line with current industry progression, I just hate having to put the
> parallax hardware a side to get something done.
>
> I guess ease of use comes at a high price in terms of flexability and
speed.
as the ability to assign the pins duties as I wish. I was expecting alot
more from the p40 though. Anything more than 175 dollars for the primary
processor on this project would make a commonly available retail unit
cheaper. But none of the retail units are customizable cheaply.
The stamp is a fine product, I like my stamps. I just keep looking around
at all the up-and-coming units from parallax's competition that boast insane
features and meet or beat my expectations once I start playing around with
them. Granted most of the modules I'm talking about are 30 to 50 dollars
more than the stamps, but those same modules in a previous version were over
300 dollars more a year ago and they keep getting cheaper. Ethernet is also
getting built-on to most of the other modules, which is a feature that I
enjoy greatly.
Now the Java language is enough to keep my interest in the javelin. Its a
larger step than I thought parallax would take. I'm very happy to see it.
I will be getting a javelin, it looks like it will be able to handle serial
communications much better than previous versions of the stamp line. I can
only hope what will happen if there is a Javelin 2 line..
-Rob
Original Message
From: "Stephen H Chapman" <chapman@t...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> Robert, I suggest that you review your processor requirements for your
> project before you elect a Stamp or any other micro controller solution.
The
> Parallax Stamp is a fine product. Your question of how much and when
should
> follow the understanding of your requirements and not lead your selection
> based on price or whiz bang.
> Steve.
>
Original Message
> From: "Robert Staph" <rstaph@a...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:41 AM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded Systems
> Conference / Stamp Courses
>
>
> > This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some
> more
> > information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run
> into
> > road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project
and
> > I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a
> 486DX
> > based SBC.
> >
> > The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I
need
> > now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution
> power?
> > How about string manipulation?
> >
> > Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
> > ignoring the decimal point?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
> > first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable
than
> it
> > actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
> > actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my
loop
> > under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
> > happy with 400ms.
> >
> > Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later.
If
> > you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify
flying
> > out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
> >
> > Robert Staph, W3RCS
> > The Center for Advanced Technologies
> >
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference /
> Stamp
> > Courses
> >
> >
> > > Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the
Javelin.
> > > The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> > > like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and
create
> > > reusable pieces.
> > >
> > > We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> > > didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think
you
> > > will enjoy the manual.
> > >
> > > One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> > > advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of
the
> > > advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but
you
> > > can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> > > techniques.
> > >
> > > If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you
can
> > > go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> > > because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> > > don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to
skip
> > > that book, however.
> > >
> > > You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> > > also have several tutorials at
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> > > As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> > > and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> > > network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
> > >
> > > I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> > > (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes
from
> > > time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a
while --
> > > maybe I should set something up soon.
> > >
> > > Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
> > >
> > > Al Williams
> > > AWC
> > > * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> > > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=-bXJkNQup8htynaaEm_wGF8teCLUelltm8dFh4QRTlrqToYvc26akyV8QpYJfVDxeGK73Uk]jonwms@a...[/url
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > > > Conference / Stamp Courses
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > > fuel@b... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > > > programming
> > > > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > > > obviously heaps
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > > > (and fellow
> > > > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> > > >
> > > > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > > > books on Java. Of
> > > > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > > > written by Al (who has
> > > > a TON of Java experience).
> > > >
> > > > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > > > There is a specific
> > > > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > > > important for the
> > > > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > > > course, being an
> > > > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > > > found on a PC and
> > > > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > > > said, I have
> > > > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > > > unchanged -- from an
> > > > off-the-shelf Java book.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jon Williams
> > > > -- Parallax
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
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Thanks for the update on availability. And the link to the 1 page doc shows
an 89$ price - interesting price positioning.
Thanks,
Tony
(If you call me Mr Wells again, I will be forced to call you Mr. Lindsay :-)
Original Message
From: "Andy Lindsay" <alindsay@p...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:11 AM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> Mr. Wells,
>
> As you may have gathered from my other e-mail, your Q3 information is not
> correct. My guess is that you are looking at a cached version of the
> Javelin Stamp web site. Please review my other e-mail and this site:
>
>
http://64.27.84.239/javelin_stamp_details.htm
>
> Since you are familiar with the Z80, I think you'll be very pleasantly
> surprised with the Javelin Stamp's functionality and usefulness.
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew Lindsay, Parallax, Inc.
>
> Parallax, Inc. home page....................www.parallaxinc.com
> BASIC Stamp Educational Resources...........www.stampsinclass.com
>
>
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: tony.wells@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=340CGCZVr19C25z8KKFWHJw-NZ47NGNddZqPBltfNe_tPSZ8r6CMe88BiW8xfEmNeJ0_DkSQCjjoP748Vpnd]tony.wells@a...[/url
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:49 AM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
>
>
> I think the Javelin won't be ready till Q3 this year.
>
> If you want the job done now, I suggest two alternatives:
>
> There are some areas where the stamp is just no good. I'd suggest you look
> at the ooPIC www.oopic.com or the ooPIC2 - www.oopic2.com
>
> The way the ooPIC is designed means that you have *some* concurrent
> facilities, and it seems faster than the stamps I've used.
>
> Also, for some of the real hairy jobs, I use the Rabbit processor such as
> the RCM2000 range. These are damn powerfull Z80's beefed up with high Mhz
> clock rate and lots of onboard ram and eeprom but initial cost is higher
> than a stamp cos they require a specialized C compiler. What is really
neat
> is that some models come with an ethernet connection and the C compiler
> supports TCP/IP stack.
>
> T
>
Original Message
> From: "Robert Staph" <rstaph@a...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:41 PM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded Systems
> Conference / Stamp Courses
>
>
> > This is more directed at the parallax inc people. I'd really like some
> more
> > information on the Javelin Stamp. Mainly, when and how much? I've run
> into
> > road block after road block with the Stamp 2p40 in my durrent project
and
> > I'm currently at the point of checking out micro-linux solutions or a
> 486DX
> > based SBC.
> >
> > The execution on the Stamp 2p40 is about 5 times too slow for what I
need
> > now, how does the Javelin compare to the BS2p40 in terms of execution
> power?
> > How about string manipulation?
> >
> > Finally, floating point math.... is it in there or is parallax still
> > ignoring the decimal point?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong the BS2p40 is great for amateur robotics, but when I
> > first heard about the BS2p40 I thought it would be much more capable
than
> it
> > actually is. I'm having a very hard time finding enough CPU cycles to
> > actually get any use out of more than 8 stamp lines and still keep my
loop
> > under 2 seconds. The target is the entire loop in 300ms or less, I'd be
> > happy with 400ms.
> >
> > Smile, if you answer me then there wont be anything to announce later.
If
> > you can answer me, do it in private, there is no way I can justify
flying
> > out to the conference if the javelin will be a let down like the p40.
> >
> > Robert Staph, W3RCS
> > The Center for Advanced Technologies
> >
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems Conference /
> Stamp
> > Courses
> >
> >
> > > Since Jon opened the door, I can tell you that you'll enjoy the
Javelin.
> > > The Java-like language adds a lot of "pro" features to your programs
> > > like real subroutines with parameters and the ability to use and
create
> > > reusable pieces.
> > >
> > > We took special care with the Javelin manual to make sure that if you
> > > didn't know any Java you'd be able to get started easily and I think
you
> > > will enjoy the manual.
> > >
> > > One thing to remember about Java, C++, or any language that provides
> > > advanced features is that you often don't have to take advantage of
the
> > > advanced parts unless you want to. Sure, the purists may frown, but
you
> > > can be very productive without getting into the more advanced
> > > techniques.
> > >
> > > If you want to get started with Java early, there are a few ways you
can
> > > go. If you are C programmer, the Java in a Nutshell book is great
> > > because it is succinct and lets you bridge what you know to what you
> > > don't know. If you aren't a C programmer, you probably will want to
skip
> > > that book, however.
> > >
> > > You can download the Java JDK for free at http://java.sun.com and they
> > > also have several tutorials at
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/.
> > > As you might expect, avoid the GUI stuff, the sound, the 3d graphics,
> > > and the databases, and the JavaBeans. However, don't skip over the
> > > network stuff (meaningful glance) :-)
> > >
> > > I've written many columns about Java at http://www.newarchitectmag.com
> > > (look in archives for my Java@Work column). I also run Java classes
from
> > > time to time, but I haven't had any public ones scheduled for a
while --
> > > maybe I should set something up soon.
> > >
> > > Keep waiting -- it'll be worth it!
> > >
> > > Al Williams
> > > AWC
> > > * Floating point math for the Stamp, PIC, SX, or any microcontroller
> > > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak1.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: jonwms@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=CboXLoN-uK0aX2FqrZ9yWAIEPT_NdIhik-HlYAKFSinA8ppHbi8Ve5EBLhbN6mICyR9RRw]jonwms@a...[/url
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:51 PM
> > > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] San Francisco Embedded Systems
> > > > Conference / Stamp Courses
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 2/18/02 5:39:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > > fuel@b... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > For dumbums like me, where is some basic info on the Java
> > > > programming
> > > > > conventions, ie info suitable for new programmers. Its
> > > > obviously heaps
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'm really not a Java guy (yet), so maybe my namesake
> > > > (and fellow
> > > > Texan), Al Williams, will step in and bail me out.
> > > >
> > > > First ... go to your favorite technical book store to find
> > > > books on Java. Of
> > > > course, the Javelin will come with a very good book --
> > > > written by Al (who has
> > > > a TON of Java experience).
> > > >
> > > > I think it's fair to say no, we haven't simplified Java.
> > > > There is a specific
> > > > definition and remaining as true to that as possible is
> > > > important for the
> > > > Javelin to be accepted by hard-core Java programmers. Of
> > > > course, being an
> > > > embedded controller, the Java used is a subset of what is
> > > > found on a PC and
> > > > programmers will have to deal with some differences. That
> > > > said, I have
> > > > successfully run several general examples -- virtually
> > > > unchanged -- from an
> > > > off-the-shelf Java book.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jon Williams
> > > > -- Parallax
> > > >
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assembly skills.
Original Message
> How cheap is RAM still? I've got my eye on the xilinx FPGA's for adding a
> large DRAM buffered HD storage device. I've found a couple of projects
that
> use a FPGA in a similar manor, just in the opposite direction.
>
> I need to process 3 streams of 19,200bps serial and one 4800bps serial, as
> well as 2 1-wire busses, and an I2C bus. I've got two stamps on the task
> now with only enough code to toss around un-processed strings and its
taking
> a good long time.
>
> I've come to face the facts though like one other person said, the stamp
> just isn't fast enough for what I want to do.
>
> When I find the replacement, who wants the BS2 and BS2p40 for a fair
price?
large DRAM buffered HD storage device. I've found a couple of projects that
use a FPGA in a similar manor, just in the opposite direction.
I need to process 3 streams of 19,200bps serial and one 4800bps serial, as
well as 2 1-wire busses, and an I2C bus. I've got two stamps on the task
now with only enough code to toss around un-processed strings and its taking
a good long time.
I've come to face the facts though like one other person said, the stamp
just isn't fast enough for what I want to do.
When I find the replacement, who wants the BS2 and BS2p40 for a fair price?
-Rob
Original Message
From: "Rodent" <daweasel@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> Its unfair to compare Stamp stuff with things that run on a PC -- how much
> RAM does your PC have and how fast is the processor? Small / compact
> solutions often require you to think differently and work around what
appear
> to be limitations in your mind. Not too many things you can't do with a
> Stamp or two, you just have to know how to get there. Al and Jon can tell
> you that.
>
>
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>
> > If that information is accurate, I still don't see floating point math
on
> > that sheet. Parallax will have to recognize that you can't leave the
> > decimal point out forever, some people don't like putting up with
> > work-arounds for something that is supported in all the competeing
> products
> > on the market.
> >
> > Strings are mentioned on the page but I doubt they are the kind that I'm
> > thinking of. I'd love to be able to do something like:
> >
> > Capture "shutdown -h now" from the serial port and enter the string into
a
> > single variable.
> > s_open(1, $command1);
> >
> > echoing the variable would output the captured "shutdown -h now"
> > then be able to manipulate the string a bit, like re-order the contents
> > based on a string seperator.
> >
> > $command1 = str_lasttofirst($command1, " ");
> > then echo $command1 to get "now -h shutdown"
> >
> > I've fallen in love with the simple flow of PHP (the web language), its
> > easier to use than PBASIC in my mind. Plus it has a nearly infinite
> number
> > of abilities.
> >
> > The Javelin is a welcomed product in my eyes. I will probably buy one
> just
> > to toy around with at first. I'm glad parallax is developing new
products
> > in line with current industry progression, I just hate having to put the
> > parallax hardware a side to get something done.
> >
> > I guess ease of use comes at a high price in terms of flexability and
> speed.
>
>
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No need to learn (or re-learn!) C or Assembler. There is an excellent
Basic compiler available for the all of the AVR chips that have onboard
RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
Stamp II costs.
peter
Original Message
From: Rodent <daweasel@s...>
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> Sounds like time to look at the faster AVR units and work on your
> C or
> assembly skills.
>
>
Original Message
>
> > How cheap is RAM still? I've got my eye on the xilinx FPGA's
> for adding a
> > large DRAM buffered HD storage device. I've found a couple of
> projectsthat
> > use a FPGA in a similar manor, just in the opposite direction.
> >
> > I need to process 3 streams of 19,200bps serial and one 4800bps
> serial, as
> > well as 2 1-wire busses, and an I2C bus. I've got two stamps on
> the task
> > now with only enough code to toss around un-processed strings
> and its
> taking
> > a good long time.
> >
> > I've come to face the facts though like one other person said,
> the stamp
> > just isn't fast enough for what I want to do.
> >
> > When I find the replacement, who wants the BS2 and BS2p40 for a fair
> price?
>
>
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flog competitors products.
Just my 0.02c worth
...Chris
Original Message
From: "Peter Charles" <pcharles@m...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> Rodent-
>
> No need to learn (or re-learn!) C or Assembler. There is an excellent
> Basic compiler available for the all of the AVR chips that have onboard
> RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
> really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
> www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
> Stamp II costs.
>
> peter
>
>
Original Message
> From: Rodent <daweasel@s...>
> Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
>
> > Sounds like time to look at the faster AVR units and work on your
> > C or
> > assembly skills.
> >
> >
Original Message
> >
> > > How cheap is RAM still? I've got my eye on the xilinx FPGA's
> > for adding a
> > > large DRAM buffered HD storage device. I've found a couple of
> > projectsthat
> > > use a FPGA in a similar manor, just in the opposite direction.
> > >
> > > I need to process 3 streams of 19,200bps serial and one 4800bps
> > serial, as
> > > well as 2 1-wire busses, and an I2C bus. I've got two stamps on
> > the task
> > > now with only enough code to toss around un-processed strings
> > and its
> > taking
> > > a good long time.
> > >
> > > I've come to face the facts though like one other person said,
> > the stamp
> > > just isn't fast enough for what I want to do.
> > >
> > > When I find the replacement, who wants the BS2 and BS2p40 for a fair
> > price?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I tend to think in terms of "what is the best way to accomplish this
goal?" Which sometimes leads to foot in mouth syndrome. The Basic
Stamp is an excellent product that, like all products, has strengths
and limitations. I usually keep my comments about limitations off-
line, where they belong.
peter
---- Original Message
From: "Chris Anderson" <fuel@b...>
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:34 am
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> The right thing to do on this list is to discuss Stamp stuff, not
> to try and
> flog competitors products.
>
> Just my 0.02c worth
> ...Chris
>
>
>
Other embedded lists occasionly discuss alternatives to their particular
controller. It swings both ways.
T
Original Message
From: "Chris Anderson" <fuel@b...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> The right thing to do on this list is to discuss Stamp stuff, not to try
and
> flog competitors products.
>
> Just my 0.02c worth
> ...Chris
>
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Peter Charles" <pcharles@m...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
>
>
> > Rodent-
> >
> > No need to learn (or re-learn!) C or Assembler. There is an excellent
> > Basic compiler available for the all of the AVR chips that have onboard
> > RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
> > really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
> > www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
> > Stamp II costs.
> >
> > peter
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: Rodent <daweasel@s...>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> > Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> >
> > > Sounds like time to look at the faster AVR units and work on your
> > > C or
> > > assembly skills.
> > >
> > >
Original Message
> > >
> > > > How cheap is RAM still? I've got my eye on the xilinx FPGA's
> > > for adding a
> > > > large DRAM buffered HD storage device. I've found a couple of
> > > projectsthat
> > > > use a FPGA in a similar manor, just in the opposite direction.
> > > >
> > > > I need to process 3 streams of 19,200bps serial and one 4800bps
> > > serial, as
> > > > well as 2 1-wire busses, and an I2C bus. I've got two stamps on
> > > the task
> > > > now with only enough code to toss around un-processed strings
> > > and its
> > > taking
> > > > a good long time.
> > > >
> > > > I've come to face the facts though like one other person said,
> > > the stamp
> > > > just isn't fast enough for what I want to do.
> > > >
> > > > When I find the replacement, who wants the BS2 and BS2p40 for a fair
> > > price?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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productive discussion. I'd like to think that if I had a stamp board
which drove 16f84's that it would have some discussion place rather than
being involved in a religious war.
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 tony.wells@a... wrote:
> Here is my 0.02 worth:
>
> Other embedded lists occasionly discuss alternatives to their particular
> controller. It swings both ways.
>
> T
>
Original Message
> From: "Chris Anderson" <fuel@b...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
>
>
> > The right thing to do on this list is to discuss Stamp stuff, not to try
> and
> > flog competitors products.
> >
> > Just my 0.02c worth
> > ...Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Peter Charles" <pcharles@m...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> > Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> >
> >
> > > Rodent-
> > >
> > > No need to learn (or re-learn!) C or Assembler. There is an excellent
> > > Basic compiler available for the all of the AVR chips that have onboard
> > > RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
> > > really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
> > > www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
> > > Stamp II costs.
> > >
> > > peter
> > >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: Rodent <daweasel@s...>
> > > Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> > > Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> > >
> > > > Sounds like time to look at the faster AVR units and work on your
> > > > C or
> > > > assembly skills.
> > > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > >
> > > > > How cheap is RAM still? I've got my eye on the xilinx FPGA's
> > > > for adding a
> > > > > large DRAM buffered HD storage device. I've found a couple of
> > > > projectsthat
> > > > > use a FPGA in a similar manor, just in the opposite direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to process 3 streams of 19,200bps serial and one 4800bps
> > > > serial, as
> > > > > well as 2 1-wire busses, and an I2C bus. I've got two stamps on
> > > > the task
> > > > > now with only enough code to toss around un-processed strings
> > > > and its
> > > > taking
> > > > > a good long time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've come to face the facts though like one other person said,
> > > > the stamp
> > > > > just isn't fast enough for what I want to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I find the replacement, who wants the BS2 and BS2p40 for a fair
> > > > price?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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list who are not shy of actively promoting their own stuff when responding
to a question . This list is one of the finest I've seen for quality of
help, and if someone is selling a solution, great. No one is forced to buy
the solution.
Now back to Stamps... :-)
T
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From: "Sean T. Lamont .lost." <lamont@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
>
> Obviously there's a difference between flogging competitors products and
> productive discussion. I'd like to think that if I had a stamp board
> which drove 16f84's that it would have some discussion place rather than
> being involved in a religious war.
>
>
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 tony.wells@a... wrote:
>
> > Here is my 0.02 worth:
> >
> > Other embedded lists occasionly discuss alternatives to their particular
> > controller. It swings both ways.
> >
> > T
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Chris Anderson" <fuel@b...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> > Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> >
> >
> > > The right thing to do on this list is to discuss Stamp stuff, not to
try
> > and
> > > flog competitors products.
> > >
> > > Just my 0.02c worth
> > > ...Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: "Peter Charles" <pcharles@m...>
> > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
> > > Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rodent-
> > > >
> > > > No need to learn (or re-learn!) C or Assembler. There is an
excellent
> > > > Basic compiler available for the all of the AVR chips that have
onboard
> > > > RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
> > > > really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
> > > > www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
> > > > Stamp II costs.
> > > >
> > > > peter
> > > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: Rodent <daweasel@s...>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco
Embedded
> > > > Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> > > >
> > > > > Sounds like time to look at the faster AVR units and work on your
> > > > > C or
> > > > > assembly skills.
> > > > >
> > > > >
Original Message
> > > > >
> > > > > > How cheap is RAM still? I've got my eye on the xilinx FPGA's
> > > > > for adding a
> > > > > > large DRAM buffered HD storage device. I've found a couple of
> > > > > projectsthat
> > > > > > use a FPGA in a similar manor, just in the opposite direction.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need to process 3 streams of 19,200bps serial and one 4800bps
> > > > > serial, as
> > > > > > well as 2 1-wire busses, and an I2C bus. I've got two stamps on
> > > > > the task
> > > > > > now with only enough code to toss around un-processed strings
> > > > > and its
> > > > > taking
> > > > > > a good long time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've come to face the facts though like one other person said,
> > > > > the stamp
> > > > > > just isn't fast enough for what I want to do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I find the replacement, who wants the BS2 and BS2p40 for a
fair
> > > > > price?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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competition's site has been enough to convince me that the Stamp is the
way to go for my projects. Apparently, what I need, though, is to fill
out a survey about success and financial independence. I clicked through
a barrage of odd self-help flash files to ultimately get to a form I can
fill out so that I can be contacted by someone who will show me the way
to financial independence and secure a residual income that I will be
able to procure by wearing slippers or something like that. May I assume
this is the wrong url?
-Chilton
On Wednesday, February 20, 2002, at 05:07 PM, tony.wells@a...
wrote:
>>>>> RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
>>>>> really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
>>>>> www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
>>>>> Stamp II costs.
I didn't write the posting about AVR - never used them - someone else wrote
about AVR, Peter Charles I think.
What exactly are your needs? I use ooPIC and Rabbit RCM modules a lot for
"difficult" projects. Perhaps I can help via private emails? They are both
in the same price bracket (except that RCM modules require the proprietory C
compiler which must be bought first time round)
Regards,
Tony Wells
Original Message
From: "Chilton Webb" <chilton@t...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:Javelin Stamp WAS:San Francisco Embedded
Systems Conference / Stamp Courses
> Well, I thought I'd at least take a look. In the past, one look at the
> competition's site has been enough to convince me that the Stamp is the
> way to go for my projects. Apparently, what I need, though, is to fill
> out a survey about success and financial independence. I clicked through
> a barrage of odd self-help flash files to ultimately get to a form I can
> fill out so that I can be contacted by someone who will show me the way
> to financial independence and secure a residual income that I will be
> able to procure by wearing slippers or something like that. May I assume
> this is the wrong url?
>
> -Chilton
>
> On Wednesday, February 20, 2002, at 05:07 PM, tony.wells@a...
> wrote:
>
> >>>>> RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
> >>>>> really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
> >>>>> www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
> >>>>> Stamp II costs.
>
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compiler will do code as efficient as C, and probably not even close to
assembler.
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> No need to learn (or re-learn!) C or Assembler. There is an excellent
> Basic compiler available for the all of the AVR chips that have onboard
> RAM. Plus, you can freely mix Basic and Assembly routines to craft
> really powerfull solutions. Check out Mark Albert's BASCOM-AVR at
> www.mcselect.com. The IDE, compiler, and emulator cost about what a
> Stamp II costs.