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Polaroid 6500 Sensors and more!

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-02-13 07:59 in General Discussion
Hello,

I have hooked up the 6500 ranging sensors, but, I am trying to get
them to operate to sense around the 6" range. Unfortuneately, it
only senses things past 17-18"... does anyone know how i can get this
to work around the 6" range? Please.. I really need info on this!
Its very important that I get this to work, otherwise, my term
project is useless!

Another thing, how can I do error checking if I'm sending data via an
RF transceiver? I have a computer and a robot and each have a
transceiver. However, there is some error in the transfer, and I
need to know how to do error checking, if possible. The computer is
running a C program.

Thanks!

Debu

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-10 18:26
    Hi,

    I used a bunch of 6500 sensors and I couldn't get them to work that
    far. You need to play around with the BINH and BLNK pins to
    adjust for close and small objects.

    Original Message
    From: "debu_sen_22" <debu_sen_22@y...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:16 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Polaroid 6500 Sensors and more!


    > Hello,
    >
    > I have hooked up the 6500 ranging sensors, but, I am trying to get
    > them to operate to sense around the 6" range. Unfortuneately, it
    > only senses things past 17-18"... does anyone know how i can get this
    > to work around the 6" range? Please.. I really need info on this!
    > Its very important that I get this to work, otherwise, my term
    > project is useless!
    >
    > Another thing, how can I do error checking if I'm sending data via an
    > RF transceiver? I have a computer and a robot and each have a
    > transceiver. However, there is some error in the transfer, and I
    > need to know how to do error checking, if possible. The computer is
    > running a C program.
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > Debu
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-11 00:19
    --- Thomas UTOR Account <thomas.looi@u...>
    wrote:
    check out www.acroname.com they have info on the 6500,
    as well as other types.. and sample code to use with
    many types of microcontrollers...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I used a bunch of 6500 sensors and I couldn't get
    > them to work that
    > far. You need to play around with the BINH and BLNK
    > pins to
    > adjust for close and small objects.
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: "debu_sen_22" <debu_sen_22@y...>
    > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:16 AM
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Polaroid 6500 Sensors and
    > more!
    >
    >
    > > Hello,
    > >
    > > I have hooked up the 6500 ranging sensors, but, I
    > am trying to get
    > > them to operate to sense around the 6" range.
    > Unfortuneately, it
    > > only senses things past 17-18"... does anyone know
    > how i can get this
    > > to work around the 6" range? Please.. I really
    > need info on this!
    > > Its very important that I get this to work,
    > otherwise, my term
    > > project is useless!
    > >
    > > Another thing, how can I do error checking if I'm
    > sending data via an
    > > RF transceiver? I have a computer and a robot and
    > each have a
    > > transceiver. However, there is some error in the
    > transfer, and I
    > > need to know how to do error checking, if
    > possible. The computer is
    > > running a C program.
    > >
    > > Thanks!
    > >
    > > Debu
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-11 14:35
    You could just not use the 6500 and instead use a devontech srf04 sensor.
    These have a range of 3cm to 3 meters. They cost $25 available from
    www.acroname.com
    I have used them, and found them to be a highly reliable sensor. Acroname
    also has programming examples for the BS2.
    I wrote an article on these for N&V it will be out in the april issue.

    Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    Kerry
    Admin@M...
    WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
    Kerry Barlow
    p.o. box 21
    kirkwood ny
    13795
    607-775-1132
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-12 05:12
    Hi

    Thank you everyone for your feedback, however, we have purchased the
    6500 sensors, and our budget for our design project will not let us
    change to a new type...

    Thanks


    --- In basicstamps@y..., Kerry Barlow <admin@m...> wrote:
    > You could just not use the 6500 and instead use a devontech srf04
    sensor.
    > These have a range of 3cm to 3 meters. They cost $25 available from
    > www.acroname.com
    > I have used them, and found them to be a highly reliable sensor.
    Acroname
    > also has programming examples for the BS2.
    > I wrote an article on these for N&V it will be out in the april
    issue.
    >
    > Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    > Kerry
    > Admin@M...
    > WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
    > Kerry Barlow
    > p.o. box 21
    > kirkwood ny
    > 13795
    > 607-775-1132
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-12 12:20
    Unfortunately, Polaroid range detectors, by their nature, can't detect
    anything closer that what you have already detected. The sound transmitter
    and receiver need a short blanking period after sending the sound pulse to
    avoid drowning out the receiver with noise from the transmitted pulse).
    Since the device has one big transducer, you have to let it settle down
    longer, which means you can't get ranges down too close.
    The Devantech units, has two transducers, one for transmit and one for
    receive, and the units are smaller, so they have less blanking or settling
    time between pulses. So you can get down to a couple of inches or less even
    in some cases. But they don't go much beyond about 68-72 inches in range.

    If your using this for a maze robot, your pretty much SOL, as the two side
    walls are too close together for the size mazes they use.

    A.) One suggestion is to add the Devantech range finders to your devices to
    suppliment the Polaroid ones. Then the Polariod would work for longer ranges
    and the Deventech for short ranges.
    B.) Another suggestion is to maybe try a crossfiring method. Where you would
    move the Polaroid unit father back on your device, maybe at the rear
    pointing forward. Then you might be able to get it closer as you can
    subtract the length of your device from the ranges being detected. But then
    this idea may not help you if your design is fixed.
    C.)You could also use a IR range/object detector like the Sharp GP2D02
    (www.acroname.com) for close range distance measuring as well, to suppliment
    the Polaroid range finder. Depending on the IR devices chosen, this can be
    anything from simple object detection to the more precise Devantech units,
    with costs varying from a few dollars up to $21 for one of the Devantech
    units.
    D.) A final thought might be to use an object opposite from the one coming
    in too close. For example two walls in a hallway. You can measure the
    distance to the walls front and back. This gives you the total length of the
    hallway (or width as well maybe), then as you approach the far wall, you can
    use the opposite wall's range to tell you how close your coming, when the
    near wall goes under the minimum range detected. A method like this should
    let you get down to 1/2" or less. Thus if the walls are say 20 feet apart,
    the rear near wall is now in the garbage range, the front wall is measured
    at 19 feet. As you approach the front wall, the rear wall becomes
    measurable, then as you get too close the front wall becomes unmeasurable,
    but the rear wall can be measured now. You can subtract the length of your
    device to get a more accurate distance from the front wall.



    Original Message
    From: debu_sen_22 [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=745bFrBYt5SAT-OKSekyK19SUnRL046qniP4EsAaWp8Tz5ictnjqWrmZ78R8chFGkzI6mlS9wOuOVG7MWQ]debu_sen_22@y...[/url
    Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:12 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Polaroid 6500 Sensors and more!


    Hi

    Thank you everyone for your feedback, however, we have purchased the
    6500 sensors, and our budget for our design project will not let us
    change to a new type...

    Thanks


    --- In basicstamps@y..., Kerry Barlow <admin@m...> wrote:
    > You could just not use the 6500 and instead use a devontech srf04
    sensor.
    > These have a range of 3cm to 3 meters. They cost $25 available from
    > www.acroname.com
    > I have used them, and found them to be a highly reliable sensor.
    Acroname
    > also has programming examples for the BS2.
    > I wrote an article on these for N&V it will be out in the april
    issue.
    >
    > Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    > Kerry
    > Admin@M...
    > WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
    > Kerry Barlow
    > p.o. box 21
    > kirkwood ny
    > 13795
    > 607-775-1132


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-12 14:58
    Hey...thanks for the info.

    I don't get it then why does it say that they can detect at a much
    lower distance than the 17 inches?

    Well, I am discussing it with my group members, and, it doesn't seem
    like our budget will let us change to IR sensors. They cost about
    $22, and we would require to get 4 of them. Is there anyone out
    there who's willing to sell us some cheap cheap GPD02 (Sharp) IR
    sensors?

    Thanks
    DS



    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    >
    > Unfortunately, Polaroid range detectors, by their nature, can't
    detect
    > anything closer that what you have already detected. The sound
    transmitter
    > and receiver need a short blanking period after sending the sound
    pulse to
    > avoid drowning out the receiver with noise from the transmitted
    pulse).
    > Since the device has one big transducer, you have to let it settle
    down
    > longer, which means you can't get ranges down too close.
    > The Devantech units, has two transducers, one for transmit and one
    for
    > receive, and the units are smaller, so they have less blanking or
    settling
    > time between pulses. So you can get down to a couple of inches or
    less even
    > in some cases. But they don't go much beyond about 68-72 inches in
    range.
    >
    > If your using this for a maze robot, your pretty much SOL, as the
    two side
    > walls are too close together for the size mazes they use.
    >
    > A.) One suggestion is to add the Devantech range finders to your
    devices to
    > suppliment the Polaroid ones. Then the Polariod would work for
    longer ranges
    > and the Deventech for short ranges.
    > B.) Another suggestion is to maybe try a crossfiring method. Where
    you would
    > move the Polaroid unit father back on your device, maybe at the rear
    > pointing forward. Then you might be able to get it closer as you can
    > subtract the length of your device from the ranges being detected.
    But then
    > this idea may not help you if your design is fixed.
    > C.)You could also use a IR range/object detector like the Sharp
    GP2D02
    > (www.acroname.com) for close range distance measuring as well, to
    suppliment
    > the Polaroid range finder. Depending on the IR devices chosen, this
    can be
    > anything from simple object detection to the more precise Devantech
    units,
    > with costs varying from a few dollars up to $21 for one of the
    Devantech
    > units.
    > D.) A final thought might be to use an object opposite from the one
    coming
    > in too close. For example two walls in a hallway. You can measure
    the
    > distance to the walls front and back. This gives you the total
    length of the
    > hallway (or width as well maybe), then as you approach the far
    wall, you can
    > use the opposite wall's range to tell you how close your coming,
    when the
    > near wall goes under the minimum range detected. A method like this
    should
    > let you get down to 1/2" or less. Thus if the walls are say 20 feet
    apart,
    > the rear near wall is now in the garbage range, the front wall is
    measured
    > at 19 feet. As you approach the front wall, the rear wall becomes
    > measurable, then as you get too close the front wall becomes
    unmeasurable,
    > but the rear wall can be measured now. You can subtract the length
    of your
    > device to get a more accurate distance from the front wall.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: debu_sen_22 [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:debu_sen_22@y...]
    > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:12 PM
    > To: basicstamps@y...
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Polaroid 6500 Sensors and more!
    >
    >
    > Hi
    >
    > Thank you everyone for your feedback, however, we have purchased the
    > 6500 sensors, and our budget for our design project will not let us
    > change to a new type...
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., Kerry Barlow <admin@m...> wrote:
    > > You could just not use the 6500 and instead use a devontech srf04
    > sensor.
    > > These have a range of 3cm to 3 meters. They cost $25 available
    from
    > > www.acroname.com
    > > I have used them, and found them to be a highly reliable sensor.
    > Acroname
    > > also has programming examples for the BS2.
    > > I wrote an article on these for N&V it will be out in the april
    > issue.
    > >
    > > Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    > > Kerry
    > > Admin@M...
    > > WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
    > > Kerry Barlow
    > > p.o. box 21
    > > kirkwood ny
    > > 13795
    > > 607-775-1132
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-12 15:25
    Polaroid's claim is based on using tight aperture which improves depth of
    field.
    In other words when the sensor reads 18 inches or more the focus is set the
    same as the reading, but when the sensor reads minimum the focus actually
    gets set to 12 inches but with the tight aperture's depth of field objects
    between 6 and 24 inches are somewhat focused in.

    KF4HAZ - Lonnie

    Original Message
    From: "debu_sen_22" <debu_sen_22@
    > Hey...thanks for the info.
    >
    > I don't get it then why does it say that they can detect at a much
    > lower distance than the 17 inches?
    >
    > Well, I am discussing it with my group members, and, it doesn't seem
    > like our budget will let us change to IR sensors. They cost about
    > $22, and we would require to get 4 of them. Is there anyone out
    > there who's willing to sell us some cheap cheap GPD02 (Sharp) IR
    > sensors?
    >
    > Thanks
    > DS
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-12 15:39
    The sharp GPD02 sensor is a very good sensor, and has short range as you
    require, be aware however that it fails in detecting very narrow objects.
    If you need to detect a wall, or large object, no problem. If you are
    trying to detect something narrow such as a chair leg in circumfrance, then
    the Sharp sensors will miss detection at times. You may want to look at the
    specs on the Devontech SRF04 sensor.
    http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R93-SRF04.html
    I am affiliated in no way with them, I just however have used both the Sharp
    and the Devontech. In my application for robotics, I was always finding the
    Sharp allowing my robot to run into chair legs. Doh doh doh.
    I understand that your budget has you limited now. Good luck to you!
    Have you thought of the polaroid for longer range, and cheap $2 IR sensors
    for close in range detection? The ones that Parallax sells I was thinking
    of. I forgot what brand they are off hand, Phillips?

    -kerry




    At 09:25 AM 2/12/02 -0600, you wrote:
    >Polaroid's claim is based on using tight aperture which improves depth of
    >field.
    >In other words when the sensor reads 18 inches or more the focus is set the
    >same as the reading, but when the sensor reads minimum the focus actually
    >gets set to 12 inches but with the tight aperture's depth of field objects
    >between 6 and 24 inches are somewhat focused in.
    >
    >KF4HAZ - Lonnie
    >
    >
    Original Message
    From: "debu_sen_22" <debu_sen_22@
    >> Hey...thanks for the info.
    >>
    >> I don't get it then why does it say that they can detect at a much
    >> lower distance than the 17 inches?
    >>
    >> Well, I am discussing it with my group members, and, it doesn't seem
    >> like our budget will let us change to IR sensors. They cost about
    >> $22, and we would require to get 4 of them. Is there anyone out
    >> there who's willing to sell us some cheap cheap GPD02 (Sharp) IR
    >> sensors?
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >> DS
    >
    >
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    Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    Kerry
    Admin@M...
    WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
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    p.o. box 21
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    13795
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-13 01:21
    I can get the Devantech unit to find a jeweler's screwdriver standing
    upright on the bench by scanning back and forth and centering on the
    positions where the outer edge of the beam detects a closer object.

    Original Message

    > The sharp GPD02 sensor is a very good sensor, and has short range as you
    > require, be aware however that it fails in detecting very narrow objects.
    > If you need to detect a wall, or large object, no problem. If you are
    > trying to detect something narrow such as a chair leg in circumfrance,
    then
    > the Sharp sensors will miss detection at times. You may want to look at
    the
    > specs on the Devontech SRF04 sensor.
    > http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R93-SRF04.html
    > I am affiliated in no way with them, I just however have used both the
    Sharp
    > and the Devontech. In my application for robotics, I was always finding
    the
    > Sharp allowing my robot to run into chair legs. Doh doh doh.
    > I understand that your budget has you limited now. Good luck to you!
    > Have you thought of the polaroid for longer range, and cheap $2 IR sensors
    > for close in range detection? The ones that Parallax sells I was thinking
    > of. I forgot what brand they are off hand, Phillips?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-13 01:39
    The best I got was around 2 feet minimum, maybe the newer ones aren't as
    good as the older original ones.
    At that time no one had mentioned anything about apertures and how to set
    them.

    You can goto www.parallaxinc.com and check out the IR transmitter and the IR
    detector devices, like they use in the Basic Stamps Robotics manual
    experiments. Check out the robotics manual. I think the detector cost $5.50
    and the transmitter cost $2.50. Basically, you output a 38,000 hertz pulse
    using the FREQOUT function, then you look on the detector with a FREQIN
    function to see if you pick up a reflection. You can get fancy and use a 555
    timer to do the FREQ out part too or some other method. Although I haven't
    tried it you could use the Radio Shack IR transmitter and detector
    phototransistors as well. Radio shack had these going for about $2.00 as a
    matched set. But I haven't tried them yet to see how they work, so I don't
    know. This low cost IR detector method works quite well, but you don't get
    accurate ranging that way, you just get a object is detected.

    Original Message
    From: debu_sen_22 [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=CQy8n3TtWtAiMhh8Xb5bqIcVtU-ElkT1MAM7pQeod_opctfkdmKzqp8ADkhvT-NU5ljEs-8lmuuIfqE-BA]debu_sen_22@y...[/url
    Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:58 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Polaroid 6500 Sensors and more!


    Hey...thanks for the info.

    I don't get it then why does it say that they can detect at a much
    lower distance than the 17 inches?

    Well, I am discussing it with my group members, and, it doesn't seem
    like our budget will let us change to IR sensors. They cost about
    $22, and we would require to get 4 of them. Is there anyone out
    there who's willing to sell us some cheap cheap GPD02 (Sharp) IR
    sensors?

    Thanks
    DS



    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    >
    > Unfortunately, Polaroid range detectors, by their nature, can't
    detect
    > anything closer that what you have already detected. The sound
    transmitter
    > and receiver need a short blanking period after sending the sound
    pulse to
    > avoid drowning out the receiver with noise from the transmitted
    pulse).
    > Since the device has one big transducer, you have to let it settle
    down
    > longer, which means you can't get ranges down too close.
    > The Devantech units, has two transducers, one for transmit and one
    for
    > receive, and the units are smaller, so they have less blanking or
    settling
    > time between pulses. So you can get down to a couple of inches or
    less even
    > in some cases. But they don't go much beyond about 68-72 inches in
    range.
    >
    > If your using this for a maze robot, your pretty much SOL, as the
    two side
    > walls are too close together for the size mazes they use.
    >
    > A.) One suggestion is to add the Devantech range finders to your
    devices to
    > suppliment the Polaroid ones. Then the Polariod would work for
    longer ranges
    > and the Deventech for short ranges.
    > B.) Another suggestion is to maybe try a crossfiring method. Where
    you would
    > move the Polaroid unit father back on your device, maybe at the rear
    > pointing forward. Then you might be able to get it closer as you can
    > subtract the length of your device from the ranges being detected.
    But then
    > this idea may not help you if your design is fixed.
    > C.)You could also use a IR range/object detector like the Sharp
    GP2D02
    > (www.acroname.com) for close range distance measuring as well, to
    suppliment
    > the Polaroid range finder. Depending on the IR devices chosen, this
    can be
    > anything from simple object detection to the more precise Devantech
    units,
    > with costs varying from a few dollars up to $21 for one of the
    Devantech
    > units.
    > D.) A final thought might be to use an object opposite from the one
    coming
    > in too close. For example two walls in a hallway. You can measure
    the
    > distance to the walls front and back. This gives you the total
    length of the
    > hallway (or width as well maybe), then as you approach the far
    wall, you can
    > use the opposite wall's range to tell you how close your coming,
    when the
    > near wall goes under the minimum range detected. A method like this
    should
    > let you get down to 1/2" or less. Thus if the walls are say 20 feet
    apart,
    > the rear near wall is now in the garbage range, the front wall is
    measured
    > at 19 feet. As you approach the front wall, the rear wall becomes
    > measurable, then as you get too close the front wall becomes
    unmeasurable,
    > but the rear wall can be measured now. You can subtract the length
    of your
    > device to get a more accurate distance from the front wall.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: debu_sen_22 [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:debu_sen_22@y...]
    > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:12 PM
    > To: basicstamps@y...
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Polaroid 6500 Sensors and more!
    >
    >
    > Hi
    >
    > Thank you everyone for your feedback, however, we have purchased the
    > 6500 sensors, and our budget for our design project will not let us
    > change to a new type...
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., Kerry Barlow <admin@m...> wrote:
    > > You could just not use the 6500 and instead use a devontech srf04
    > sensor.
    > > These have a range of 3cm to 3 meters. They cost $25 available
    from
    > > www.acroname.com
    > > I have used them, and found them to be a highly reliable sensor.
    > Acroname
    > > also has programming examples for the BS2.
    > > I wrote an article on these for N&V it will be out in the april
    > issue.
    > >
    > > Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    > > Kerry
    > > Admin@M...
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    > > 13795
    > > 607-775-1132
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-13 07:59
    check out www.acroname.com They have a pretty good
    section on sensors.. To include two or three types of
    the sharp ir ranger you are speaking of. As well as
    polaroid rangers, ans devanchi sonar rangers.. wich I
    think are much better....
    --- Earl Bollinger <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    > The best I got was around 2 feet minimum, maybe the
    > newer ones aren't as
    > good as the older original ones.
    > At that time no one had mentioned anything about
    > apertures and how to set
    > them.
    >
    > You can goto www.parallaxinc.com and check out the
    > IR transmitter and the IR
    > detector devices, like they use in the Basic Stamps
    > Robotics manual
    > experiments. Check out the robotics manual. I think
    > the detector cost $5.50
    > and the transmitter cost $2.50. Basically, you
    > output a 38,000 hertz pulse
    > using the FREQOUT function, then you look on the
    > detector with a FREQIN
    > function to see if you pick up a reflection. You can
    > get fancy and use a 555
    > timer to do the FREQ out part too or some other
    > method. Although I haven't
    > tried it you could use the Radio Shack IR
    > transmitter and detector
    > phototransistors as well. Radio shack had these
    > going for about $2.00 as a
    > matched set. But I haven't tried them yet to see how
    > they work, so I don't
    > know. This low cost IR detector method works quite
    > well, but you don't get
    > accurate ranging that way, you just get a object is
    > detected.
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: debu_sen_22 [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=1mHL8YD0eFXy-fA0Oe_FCTCE8A72hOgjmZatbAeX-mn60vA-4Nc6VREPKa97rYwqQocvirUtG3oyCVM]debu_sen_22@y...[/url
    > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:58 AM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Polaroid 6500 Sensors and
    > more!
    >
    >
    > Hey...thanks for the info.
    >
    > I don't get it then why does it say that they can
    > detect at a much
    > lower distance than the 17 inches?
    >
    > Well, I am discussing it with my group members, and,
    > it doesn't seem
    > like our budget will let us change to IR sensors.
    > They cost about
    > $22, and we would require to get 4 of them. Is
    > there anyone out
    > there who's willing to sell us some cheap cheap
    > GPD02 (Sharp) IR
    > sensors?
    >
    > Thanks
    > DS
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., "Earl Bollinger"
    > <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    > >
    > > Unfortunately, Polaroid range detectors, by their
    > nature, can't
    > detect
    > > anything closer that what you have already
    > detected. The sound
    > transmitter
    > > and receiver need a short blanking period after
    > sending the sound
    > pulse to
    > > avoid drowning out the receiver with noise from
    > the transmitted
    > pulse).
    > > Since the device has one big transducer, you have
    > to let it settle
    > down
    > > longer, which means you can't get ranges down too
    > close.
    > > The Devantech units, has two transducers, one for
    > transmit and one
    > for
    > > receive, and the units are smaller, so they have
    > less blanking or
    > settling
    > > time between pulses. So you can get down to a
    > couple of inches or
    > less even
    > > in some cases. But they don't go much beyond about
    > 68-72 inches in
    > range.
    > >
    > > If your using this for a maze robot, your pretty
    > much SOL, as the
    > two side
    > > walls are too close together for the size mazes
    > they use.
    > >
    > > A.) One suggestion is to add the Devantech range
    > finders to your
    > devices to
    > > suppliment the Polaroid ones. Then the Polariod
    > would work for
    > longer ranges
    > > and the Deventech for short ranges.
    > > B.) Another suggestion is to maybe try a
    > crossfiring method. Where
    > you would
    > > move the Polaroid unit father back on your device,
    > maybe at the rear
    > > pointing forward. Then you might be able to get it
    > closer as you can
    > > subtract the length of your device from the ranges
    > being detected.
    > But then
    > > this idea may not help you if your design is
    > fixed.
    > > C.)You could also use a IR range/object detector
    > like the Sharp
    > GP2D02
    > > (www.acroname.com) for close range distance
    > measuring as well, to
    > suppliment
    > > the Polaroid range finder. Depending on the IR
    > devices chosen, this
    > can be
    > > anything from simple object detection to the more
    > precise Devantech
    > units,
    > > with costs varying from a few dollars up to $21
    > for one of the
    > Devantech
    > > units.
    > > D.) A final thought might be to use an object
    > opposite from the one
    > coming
    > > in too close. For example two walls in a hallway.
    > You can measure
    > the
    > > distance to the walls front and back. This gives
    > you the total
    > length of the
    > > hallway (or width as well maybe), then as you
    > approach the far
    > wall, you can
    > > use the opposite wall's range to tell you how
    > close your coming,
    > when the
    > > near wall goes under the minimum range detected. A
    > method like this
    > should
    > > let you get down to 1/2" or less. Thus if the
    > walls are say 20 feet
    > apart,
    > > the rear near wall is now in the garbage range,
    > the front wall is
    > measured
    > > at 19 feet. As you approach the front wall, the
    > rear wall becomes
    > > measurable, then as you get too close the front
    > wall becomes
    > unmeasurable,
    > > but the rear wall can be measured now. You can
    > subtract the length
    > of your
    > > device to get a more accurate distance from the
    > front wall.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: debu_sen_22 [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:debu_sen_22@y...]
    > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:12 PM
    > > To: basicstamps@y...
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Polaroid 6500 Sensors
    > and more!
    > >
    > >
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > Thank you everyone for your feedback, however, we
    > have purchased the
    > > 6500 sensors, and our budget for our design
    > project will not let us
    > > change to a new type...
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In basicstamps@y..., Kerry Barlow <admin@m...>
    > wrote:
    > > > You could just not use the 6500 and instead use
    > a devontech srf04
    > > sensor.
    > > > These have a range of 3cm to 3 meters. They cost
    > $25 available
    > from
    > > > www.acroname.com
    > > > I have used them, and found them to be a highly
    > reliable
    === message truncated ===


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