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Demodulating a laser beam

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-02-08 18:45 in General Discussion
Anyone try to shoot a laser beam at a window, have it
reflected, and demodulate it to get audio?

Art

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 00:08
    Yes it works. No I will not tell you how to do it.
    Original Message
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    > Anyone try to shoot a laser beam at a window, have it
    > reflected, and demodulate it to get audio?
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 00:31
    I didn't ask you how.....


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 00:43
    I sure would like to know though. seems like a real neat project although
    you can buy plans, kits and assembled kits from:
    http://www.amazing1.com
    and lots of other silly and wierd things.
    Original Message
    From: "Art Burke" <pianomanab@s...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:31 PM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Demodulating a laser beam


    > I didn't ask you how.....
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    > ->From: Stephen H Chapman [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=5LMCXgXkdCrG9NCepsOeXhFWU8cuQFJqYnaPTGU6T8mV7AddtavqZpwKbE56Dqbxx_VCjIoixg]chapman@t...[/url
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    > ->Yes it works. No I will not tell you how to do it.
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 01:38
    Art
    I have a book Optoelectronics, Fiber Optics, and Laser Cookbook
    by Thomas Petruzzellis it has this very project in it.
    looks like no big deal
    Original Message
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    Anyone try to shoot a laser beam at a window, have it
    reflected, and demodulate it to get audio?

    Art

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 02:08
    Radio Electronics, issue Vol 58 No 10, dated October 1987 has a complete article
    on this project.

    Bruce

    Larry Gaminde wrote:

    > Art
    > I have a book Optoelectronics, Fiber Optics, and Laser Cookbook
    > by Thomas Petruzzellis it has this very project in it.
    > looks like no big deal
    >
    Original Message
    > From: "Art Burke" <pianomanab@s...>
    > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
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    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Demodulating a laser beam
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    > Anyone try to shoot a laser beam at a window, have it
    > reflected, and demodulate it to get audio?
    >
    > Art
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 02:23
    On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Larry Gaminde wrote:

    > Art
    > I have a book Optoelectronics, Fiber Optics, and Laser Cookbook
    > by Thomas Petruzzellis it has this very project in it.
    > looks like no big deal

    Any chance of getting the ISBN # for this book ?

    Thanks !

    --


    Dale Harwood [noparse][[/noparse] N4VFF ]

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 02:47
    Geez I just tried on Amazon using the title and its there, Just
    kidding
    its 0-07-049840-7 this number on top ISBN to left
    barcode goes here
    or 9 780070 498402 This may be the barcode number
    Original Message
    From: "Dale Harwood" <dale@h...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: February 04, 2002 6:23 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Demodulating a laser beam


    On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Larry Gaminde wrote:

    > Art
    > I have a book Optoelectronics, Fiber Optics, and Laser Cookbook
    > by Thomas Petruzzellis it has this very project in it.
    > looks like no big deal

    Any chance of getting the ISBN # for this book ?

    Thanks !

    --


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 03:02
    Also check out this one:

    The Laser Cookbook: 88 Practical Projects

    Paperback - 304 pages 1 edition (October 1, 1988)
    McGraw-Hill; ISBN: 0071553355

    Amazon link:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0830693904/ref=ase_starwarsportal/102
    -0195948-7736137






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    On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Larry Gaminde wrote:

    > Art
    > I have a book Optoelectronics, Fiber Optics, and Laser Cookbook
    > by Thomas Petruzzellis it has this very project in it.
    > looks like no big deal

    Any chance of getting the ISBN # for this book ?

    Thanks !

    --


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 16:04
    > Anyone try to shoot a laser beam at a window, have it
    > reflected, and demodulate it to get audio?
    >

    The ARRL (American Radio Relay League) Handbook has dealt with laser
    modulation for communications. Most of that would be applicable. There was
    a Radio Electronics Article in teh late 80's that had a complete article on
    doing just that.


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 16:35
    is there any way to do it with a LED and a photosensor?
    Original Message
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    Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:04 AM
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    >
    >
    > > Anyone try to shoot a laser beam at a window, have it
    > > reflected, and demodulate it to get audio?
    > >
    >
    > The ARRL (American Radio Relay League) Handbook has dealt with laser
    > modulation for communications. Most of that would be applicable. There was
    > a Radio Electronics Article in teh late 80's that had a complete article
    on
    > doing just that.
    >
    >
    > Mark Hillier, VE6HVW
    > President, HVW Technologies Inc.
    > Canadian Distributors of Parallax Products and other Neat Stuff
    > Tel: (403)-730-8603 Fax: (403)-730-8903
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-05 17:03
    I suspect the general procedure is to shine a laser beam on a window
    where some one is talking. Then look at the reflected beam with a
    telescope or binoculars and feed this light output to a photo cell
    sensitive to the frequency of the laser, to a low amplitude amplifier.
    Amplify the signal enough and you might say, "wow there's people in
    there".


    regards,

    leroy

    <SNIP>
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-07 04:04
    Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember seeing
    several advertisements for such a device along with a rather terse
    warning that using it to listen in on conversations in a room was
    illegal and subject to prosecution.



    --- In basicstamps@y..., Leroy Hall <leroy@f...> wrote:
    > I suspect the general procedure is to shine a laser beam on a window
    > where some one is talking. Then look at the reflected beam with a
    > telescope or binoculars and feed this light output to a photo cell
    > sensitive to the frequency of the laser, to a low amplitude
    amplifier.
    > Amplify the signal enough and you might say, "wow there's people in
    > there".
    >
    >
    > regards,
    >
    > leroy
    >
    > <SNIP>
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-07 08:26
    I haven't tried it but I would guess that you have to mix the reflected
    beam with a sample of the transmitter beam. The reflected beam would be
    phase modulated with respect to the transmitted beam.

    John
    --
    John Fletcher
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-07 21:15
    I dug out my copy of Radio-Electronics dated October 1987. To quote what they
    say about operations of a laser
    modulation.

    "The sound waves generated by nearby conversations will cause the glass in a
    window to vibrate very slightly. If
    a laser beam is bounced off the window, its reflection will be modulated by the
    vibrations. All that's needed to
    hear what is being said is a demodulating device that extracts the audio from
    the reflected laser beam. " ( a
    phototransister driving a audio amplifier)

    They do show using the device with a rifle scope.

    An interesting side note, the article indicates that using the device is not
    illegal. BUT that was 1987 !
    Present day law states that using a electronic device to intercept private
    conversation is ILLEGAL. This would
    be fun to play with, just don't use it to monitor the mating habits of your
    neighbor. Even having to explain
    aiming a rife scope at someone's house would be bad.

    This article appeared just a few years after the US Embassy in Moscow accused
    the Russians of using lasers to
    eavesdrop back in the cold war.

    Bruce


    John Fletcher wrote:

    > I haven't tried it but I would guess that you have to mix the reflected
    > beam with a sample of the transmitter beam. The reflected beam would be
    > phase modulated with respect to the transmitted beam.
    >
    > John
    > --
    > John Fletcher
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-07 22:03
    just don't use it to monitor the mating habits of your neighbor

    I don't need no stinking laser to here them!!


    Original Message
    From: "Bruce" <bsnowde@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: February 07, 2002 1:15 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Demodulating a laser beam


    I dug out my copy of Radio-Electronics dated October 1987. To
    quote what they say about operations of a laser
    modulation.

    "The sound waves generated by nearby conversations will cause the
    glass in a window to vibrate very slightly. If
    a laser beam is bounced off the window, its reflection will be
    modulated by the vibrations. All that's needed to
    hear what is being said is a demodulating device that extracts
    the audio from the reflected laser beam. " ( a
    phototransister driving a audio amplifier)

    They do show using the device with a rifle scope.

    An interesting side note, the article indicates that using the
    device is not illegal. BUT that was 1987 !
    Present day law states that using a electronic device to
    intercept private conversation is ILLEGAL. This would
    be fun to play with, just don't use it to monitor the mating
    habits of your neighbor. Even having to explain
    aiming a rife scope at someone's house would be bad.

    This article appeared just a few years after the US Embassy in
    Moscow accused the Russians of using lasers to
    eavesdrop back in the cold war.

    Bruce


    John Fletcher wrote:

    > I haven't tried it but I would guess that you have to mix the
    reflected
    > beam with a sample of the transmitter beam. The reflected beam
    would be
    > phase modulated with respect to the transmitted beam.
    >
    > John
    > --
    > John Fletcher
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-07 22:05
    aiming a rife scope at someone's house would be bad

    only if the rifle is still attached, and they can see the red
    dot!



    Original Message
    From: "Bruce" <bsnowde@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: February 07, 2002 1:15 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Demodulating a laser beam


    I dug out my copy of Radio-Electronics dated October 1987. To
    quote what they say about operations of a laser
    modulation.

    "The sound waves generated by nearby conversations will cause the
    glass in a window to vibrate very slightly. If
    a laser beam is bounced off the window, its reflection will be
    modulated by the vibrations. All that's needed to
    hear what is being said is a demodulating device that extracts
    the audio from the reflected laser beam. " ( a
    phototransister driving a audio amplifier)

    They do show using the device with a rifle scope.

    An interesting side note, the article indicates that using the
    device is not illegal. BUT that was 1987 !
    Present day law states that using a electronic device to
    intercept private conversation is ILLEGAL. This would
    be fun to play with, just don't use it to monitor the mating
    habits of your neighbor. Even having to explain
    aiming a rife scope at someone's house would be bad.

    This article appeared just a few years after the US Embassy in
    Moscow accused the Russians of using lasers to
    eavesdrop back in the cold war.

    Bruce


    John Fletcher wrote:

    > I haven't tried it but I would guess that you have to mix the
    reflected
    > beam with a sample of the transmitter beam. The reflected beam
    would be
    > phase modulated with respect to the transmitted beam.
    >
    > John
    > --
    > John Fletcher
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-08 09:17
    I would hope that the moral issues should make someone think twice about using
    such a device. Having said that, there are both State Specific and Federal laws
    which apply to using any surveillance type equipment in general. There are
    certain specific circumstances that allow for the interception of private
    conversations. One circumstance might include the monitoring of an individual
    who has physically threatened your life, you had better be able to prove it, and
    you better check the laws in your area first.

    Larry Gaminde <lgaminde@t...> wrote: aiming a rife scope at someone's
    house would be bad

    only if the rifle is still attached, and they can see the red
    dot!



    Original Message
    From: "Bruce"
    To:
    Sent: February 07, 2002 1:15 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Demodulating a laser beam


    I dug out my copy of Radio-Electronics dated October 1987. To
    quote what they say about operations of a laser
    modulation.

    "The sound waves generated by nearby conversations will cause the
    glass in a window to vibrate very slightly. If
    a laser beam is bounced off the window, its reflection will be
    modulated by the vibrations. All that's needed to
    hear what is being said is a demodulating device that extracts
    the audio from the reflected laser beam. " ( a
    phototransister driving a audio amplifier)

    They do show using the device with a rifle scope.

    An interesting side note, the article indicates that using the
    device is not illegal. BUT that was 1987 !
    Present day law states that using a electronic device to
    intercept private conversation is ILLEGAL. This would
    be fun to play with, just don't use it to monitor the mating
    habits of your neighbor. Even having to explain
    aiming a rife scope at someone's house would be bad.

    This article appeared just a few years after the US Embassy in
    Moscow accused the Russians of using lasers to
    eavesdrop back in the cold war.

    Bruce


    John Fletcher wrote:

    > I haven't tried it but I would guess that you have to mix the
    reflected
    > beam with a sample of the transmitter beam. The reflected beam
    would be
    > phase modulated with respect to the transmitted beam.
    >
    > John
    > --
    > John Fletcher
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-08 18:45
    Makes one wonder who made these laws. Course I guess I would not
    someone listening to my conversations, not that they would want to
    <GRIN>. Just like the gun laws, only crooks carry guns, but of course
    that's OK because they are crooks anyway.

    Troy S wrote:
    >
    > I would hope that the moral issues should make someone think twice about using
    such a device. Having said that, there are both State Specific and Federal laws
    which apply to using any surveillance type equipment in general. There are
    certain specific circumstances that allow for the interception of private
    conversations. One circumstance might include the monitoring of an individual
    who has physically threatened your life, you had better be able to prove it, and
    you better check the laws in your area first.
    >
    > Larry Gaminde <lgaminde@t...> wrote: aiming a rife scope at someone's
    house would be bad
    >
    > only if the rifle is still attached, and they can see the red
    > dot!
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: "Bruce"
    > To:
    > Sent: February 07, 2002 1:15 PM
    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Demodulating a laser beam
    >
    > I dug out my copy of Radio-Electronics dated October 1987. To
    > quote what they say about operations of a laser
    > modulation.
    >
    > "The sound waves generated by nearby conversations will cause the
    > glass in a window to vibrate very slightly. If
    > a laser beam is bounced off the window, its reflection will be
    > modulated by the vibrations. All that's needed to
    > hear what is being said is a demodulating device that extracts
    > the audio from the reflected laser beam. " ( a
    > phototransister driving a audio amplifier)
    >
    > They do show using the device with a rifle scope.
    >
    > An interesting side note, the article indicates that using the
    > device is not illegal. BUT that was 1987 !
    > Present day law states that using a electronic device to
    > intercept private conversation is ILLEGAL. This would
    > be fun to play with, just don't use it to monitor the mating
    > habits of your neighbor. Even having to explain
    > aiming a rife scope at someone's house would be bad.
    >
    > This article appeared just a few years after the US Embassy in
    > Moscow accused the Russians of using lasers to
    > eavesdrop back in the cold war.
    >
    > Bruce
    >
    > John Fletcher wrote:
    >
    > > I haven't tried it but I would guess that you have to mix the
    > reflected
    > > beam with a sample of the transmitter beam. The reflected beam
    > would be
    > > phase modulated with respect to the transmitted beam.
    > >
    > > John
    > > --
    > > John Fletcher
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