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Basic Stamp Vs Basic Atom

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-02-03 17:52 in General Discussion
I'm doing a comparison between the two PICs. Main advantages of Atom
over PIC? Compiled and inerrupt usage. Anyone have more information
on the interrupt side of this? Ie:how such a technique would be
closest implemented on the Basic Stamp, codewise, and what the
drawbacks would be?

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-01 12:44
    IF (big IF) they ever fix their compiler the Atom might be useful.
    Otherwise throw it away or put it in your parts box (maybe they'll fix the
    problems?), and don't bother with it, it isn't worth the hassle or trouble.
    If you bought a Atom, chalk it up to experience.



    Original Message
    From: theborderlinecrew [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=UD4hldiMyudv1Q2lzFl3mCTNE8jYYEkFPFXbnVo0rUkIMDwVUJDxiUrPWPvKRrczZ4qFsiHJSHWFD1yX0yFqIwsI_w]theborderlinecrew@y...[/url
    Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:30 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Basic Stamp Vs Basic Atom


    I'm doing a comparison between the two PICs. Main advantages of Atom
    over PIC? Compiled and inerrupt usage. Anyone have more information
    on the interrupt side of this? Ie:how such a technique would be
    closest implemented on the Basic Stamp, codewise, and what the
    drawbacks would be?


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-01 14:41
    Do you know if this is a real compile, ie down to machine level, or is
    it just tokenized?
    -Chilton

    On Friday, February 1, 2002, at 06:30 AM, theborderlinecrew wrote:

    > I'm doing a comparison between the two PICs. Main advantages of Atom
    > over PIC? Compiled and inerrupt usage. Anyone have more information
    > on the interrupt side of this? Ie:how such a technique would be
    > closest implemented on the Basic Stamp, codewise, and what the
    > drawbacks would be?
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-01 17:29
    I have never read anything good about the Atom, except one posting from the
    guy that develkpoed it. He claimed that he had developed a fairly profitable
    home based business around it in a very short time.
    Hmmm... I wonder if that's still the case.
    BTW, nothing against home businesses, I just wish that every skilled
    engineer that wanted to try one would get a skilled business manager to show
    them why most of these fail....In any case, I wish Mr Atom the best. His
    ambition puts him in some very good company.

    Chris

    IF (big IF) they ever fix their compiler the Atom might be useful.
    Otherwise throw it away or put it in your parts box (maybe they'll fix the
    problems?), and don't bother with it, it isn't worth the hassle or trouble.
    If you bought a Atom, chalk it up to experience.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-01 17:44
    > IF (big IF) they ever fix their compiler the Atom might be
    useful.
    > Otherwise throw it away or put it in your parts box (maybe
    they'll fix the
    > problems?), and don't bother with it, it isn't worth the
    hassle or trouble.
    > If you bought a Atom, chalk it up to experience.

    What problems are you running into with the Atom?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-01 20:46
    In a message dated 2/1/02 11:44:47 AM Central Standard Time,
    mob@m... writes:


    > > IF (big IF) they ever fix their compiler the Atom might be
    > useful.
    > > Otherwise throw it away or put it in your parts box (maybe
    > they'll fix the
    > > problems?), and don't bother with it, it isn't worth the
    > hassle or trouble.
    > > If you bought a Atom, chalk it up to experience.
    >
    >

    Please discuss non-BASIC Stamp products on their respective e-mail lists.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Parallax


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-01 22:44
    Bizzare response to someone who advocates the use of a BASIC Stamp

    jonwms@a... wrote:
    >
    > In a message dated 2/1/02 11:44:47 AM Central Standard Time,
    > mob@m... writes:
    >
    > > > IF (big IF) they ever fix their compiler the Atom might be
    > > useful.
    > > > Otherwise throw it away or put it in your parts box (maybe
    > > they'll fix the
    > > > problems?), and don't bother with it, it isn't worth the
    > > hassle or trouble.
    > > > If you bought a Atom, chalk it up to experience.
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Please discuss non-BASIC Stamp products on their respective e-mail lists.
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Parallax
    >
    > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-02 04:26
    PULSEIN, PULSEOUT, SHIFTIN/SHIFTOUT, RCTIME don't seem to work or barely
    work at all.
    Basically, I couldn't use it with a DS1820/22 temp chip, plus a DS1620
    didn't work right at all too.
    It did seem to work with a LCD panel. Basically, all the 1 wire devices
    wouldn't work with it.
    The I2C devices sorta maybe would work, if the temperature stayed below 75
    degrees farenheit.
    RCTime would barely work with a Devantech Ultrasonic range finder (pulsein
    didn't work), the Sharp IR devices didn't work at all (shift in).
    Unfortunately, it was these things I wanted to use the chip with. If your
    not using anything like that
    it probably works OK.
    The same devices worked great with the Basic Stamps though and my Atmel
    chips all liked the devices as well (using BascomAVR).
    My temperature sensing system is using a BS2 chip quite well now (DS1620's),
    the Atom couldn't handle a meager one DS1620 out of four in the system. The
    BS2SX is running 10 DS1820/1822 chips just fine.
    Because of the sensors I couldn't use it in the little sumo robot I built
    for my son.

    But you never know, they might actually come out with a new compiler that
    might work. Probably when h..ll freezes over.

    Original Message
    From: R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=eQj9ZKWjojQUiUTOIucHnUTH6oPs16oqmUrOxPJavmeQ-WLSqRc8LxUHQD1pFapah4WUcD4glG_NTFg]mob@m...[/url
    Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:44 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Basic Stamp Vs Basic Atom


    > IF (big IF) they ever fix their compiler the Atom might be
    useful.
    > Otherwise throw it away or put it in your parts box (maybe
    they'll fix the
    > problems?), and don't bother with it, it isn't worth the
    hassle or trouble.
    > If you bought a Atom, chalk it up to experience.

    What problems are you running into with the Atom?


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-02 20:51
    --- Earl Bollinger <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
    > IF (big IF) they ever fix their compiler the Atom
    > might be useful.
    > Otherwise throw it away or put it in your parts box
    > (maybe they'll fix the
    > problems?), and don't bother with it, it isn't worth
    > the hassle or trouble.
    > If you bought a Atom, chalk it up to experience.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: theborderlinecrew
    > [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=A_ezHQL34lFbCan4RxHg7mIHtkFs3kuq_oTbIpPipG3F3lOlPfOJuojcauUwUghaSzL0sAueqtPxrJN7O7IYA9EPTKg]theborderlinecrew@y...[/url
    > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:30 AM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Basic Stamp Vs Basic Atom
    >
    >
    > I'm doing a comparison between the two PICs. Main
    > advantages of Atom
    > over PIC? Compiled and inerrupt usage. Anyone have
    > more information
    > on the interrupt side of this? Ie:how such a
    > technique would be
    > closest implemented on the Basic Stamp, codewise,
    > and what the
    > drawbacks would be?
    >
    >
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    My university bought it for my final year project.
    I've already encountered problems. If you can give me
    more detail into what it is about the compiler you
    think is bad. I've had problems with the IDE
    highlighing non-keywords, signed mathematical
    problems, also I can't declare 3 variables, A, B and C
    in a program, nor X, Y and Z. I've had some funny
    problems with it already and I've only been using it
    for about 6-7 hours.

    Do You think it is better than the Basic Stamp II?

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-02-03 17:52
    You should post your problems to the Basic Micro forums they have a new
    compiler that will be released in the next day or so with a lot of
    fixes. Many of the problems people have had communicating with other
    devices has been due to the ATOM running at a much higher speed than the
    basic stamp variants. With the ATOM new commands can and will be added
    and any problems will be fixed.
    The Basic Micro forums are at
    http://www.basicmicro.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi

    Craig

    > Message: 6
    > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:51:34 +0000 (GMT)
    > From: the borderline crew <theborderlinecrew@y...>
    > Subject: RE: Basic Stamp Vs Basic Atom

    >
    > My university bought it for my final year project.
    > I've already encountered problems. If you can give me
    > more detail into what it is about the compiler you
    > think is bad. I've had problems with the IDE
    > highlighing non-keywords, signed mathematical
    > problems, also I can't declare 3 variables, A, B and C
    > in a program, nor X, Y and Z. I've had some funny
    > problems with it already and I've only been using it
    > for about 6-7 hours.
    >
    > Do You think it is better than the Basic Stamp II?
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