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Hi Justin
I can thoroughly recommend the kit from
http://www.phanderson.com/stamp/starter.html
I bought one about 6 months ago and it really is great value for
money compared to other kits I looked at.
Check it out and compare it against the other ones that people here
will suggest.
Hope this helps
Regards
David
--- In basicstamps@y..., "Iconium" <Iconium@s...> wrote:
> I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and was wondering
what is a good kit to buy???? I want to keep it around $150 or
sooo... Can anyone help me??
>
> thanks Justin
>
>
> [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I can thoroughly recommend the kit from
http://www.phanderson.com/stamp/starter.html
I bought one about 6 months ago and it really is great value for
money compared to other kits I looked at.
Check it out and compare it against the other ones that people here
will suggest.
Hope this helps
Regards
David
--- In basicstamps@y..., "Iconium" <Iconium@s...> wrote:
> I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and was wondering
what is a good kit to buy???? I want to keep it around $150 or
sooo... Can anyone help me??
>
> thanks Justin
>
>
> [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Comments
The built in A/D converters - do they convert + AND - voltages, or just +?
--
.-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-
\ / \ / \ N / \ C / \ S / \ S / \ M / \ / \ /
`-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-'
Chuck Britton Education is what is left when
britton@n... you have forgotten everything
North Carolina School of Science & Math you learned in school.
(919) 286-3366 x224 Albert Einstein, 1936
kit to buy???? I want to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help me??
thanks Justin
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> I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and
> was wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want
> to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help
> me??
> Before you jump into the basic stamp... check out
oopic.com they have a great product at a much lower
price tag.. It also has more memory, faster processing
speed, and is multiprocessing.. Oh yeah, and it
handels three different languages.. c++, java, and
basic.
> thanks Justin
>
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Activity Board for $89.00. You can do a variety of the experiments listed on
the Parallax website with this setup.
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To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] just starting out
another total newbie question:
The built in A/D converters - do they convert + AND - voltages, or just +?
--
.-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-
\ / \ / \ N / \ C / \ S / \ S / \ M / \ / \ /
`-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-'
Chuck Britton Education is what is left
when
britton@n... you have forgotten
everything
North Carolina School of Science & Math you learned in school.
(919) 286-3366 x224 Albert Einstein, 1936
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BASIC STAMP newsgroup raise your hands...
Not that I have anything against the oopic, but that's just plain
rude! And for a beginner, plus many others, the Stamp is perfect not
to mention the totally overwhelming amount of material to help a
newbie start out.
-Martin
--- In basicstamps@y..., duane ribron <ribron32@y...> wrote:
>
> --- Iconium <Iconium@s...> wrote:
> > I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and
> > was wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want
> > to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help
> > me??
> > Before you jump into the basic stamp... check out
> oopic.com they have a great product at a much lower
> price tag.. It also has more memory, faster processing
> speed, and is multiprocessing.. Oh yeah, and it
> handels three different languages.. c++, java, and
> basic.
> > thanks Justin
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Price alone is not a good criteria when making a purchase. The Parallax
Stamp products have an excellent array of choices at a fair price. I always
prefer buying from a source that I know will be there to-morrow. There is
good on-line support in this forum and if you have a questions you will most
likely get an answer. There are also other suppliers that make products in
support of Stamp products. The wealth of supporting information on stamp
application and code is outstanding. You will not be left out in the cold
with a piece of hardware and software that do not work to-gether and no
documentation. Save yourself the headache and buy Parallax.
Steve
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From: "duane ribron" <ribron32@y...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] just starting out
>
> --- Iconium <Iconium@s...> wrote:
> > I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and
> > was wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want
> > to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help
> > me??
> > Before you jump into the basic stamp... check out
> oopic.com they have a great product at a much lower
> price tag.. It also has more memory, faster processing
> speed, and is multiprocessing.. Oh yeah, and it
> handels three different languages.. c++, java, and
> basic.
> > thanks Justin
> >
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have played around with the OOPic and am dabbling with PICs also.
The key difference is the amount of support Parallax offers versus OOPic or
other stamp clone makers. Got a problem with a Parallax product? They are
there to help you. The documentation is fairly detailed and there is a
wealth of knowledge from supporting vendors.
On the other hand, the OOPic documentation is sparse, hard to use, and if
you have a problem they will get back to you eventually. I got frustrated
and gave mine away because it was such a pain.
The final straw was when I bought an expansion board, which has the same
footprint as the OOPic board and has a place for a connector which exactly
line up with the header on the OOPic board. It should be a piggyback
arrangement just like what Parallax does, correct? Wrong!
I emailed them when I discovered a double-row connector would not fit the
board -- the holes in the board were too small to accept the pins on
standard connector. I tried several different brands and none would work. I
contacted Savage and their response was that the board was designed to have
pins pressed in and not soldered, and thats why the holes were small. I've
been around electronic assembly and manufacturing for a long time and have
*never* heard this nonsense.
Original Message
> Price alone is not a good criteria when making a purchase. The Parallax
> Stamp products have an excellent array of choices at a fair price. I
always
> prefer buying from a source that I know will be there to-morrow. There is
> good on-line support in this forum and if you have a questions you will
most
> likely get an answer. There are also other suppliers that make products in
> support of Stamp products. The wealth of supporting information on stamp
> application and code is outstanding. You will not be left out in the cold
> with a piece of hardware and software that do not work to-gether and no
> documentation. Save yourself the headache and buy Parallax.
> > > I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and
> > > was wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want
> > > to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help
> > > me??
> > > Before you jump into the basic stamp... check out
> > oopic.com they have a great product at a much lower
> > price tag.. It also has more memory, faster processing
> > speed, and is multiprocessing.. Oh yeah, and it
> > handels three different languages.. c++, java, and
> > basic.
The OOPIC looks like a handy alternative to the Stamp II's for larger
projects. Programming the Stamps like the BS2SX with the separate EEPROM
space is like redecorating the upstairs bathroom thru the downstairs
letterbox! I've got a project which is still in prototype on the BS2SX which
I might try out on the OOPICII and report back.
For educational, learning and small interface projects, the BS1 I think is
still the item of choice. The price is right, and the cct board is that much
smaller.
Regards,
Tony Wells
Original Message
From: "selmaware" <martin@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:42 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: just starting out
> Ok, all in favor of banning the poster of the reply below from thee
> BASIC STAMP newsgroup raise your hands...
>
> Not that I have anything against the oopic, but that's just plain
> rude! And for a beginner, plus many others, the Stamp is perfect not
> to mention the totally overwhelming amount of material to help a
> newbie start out.
>
> -Martin
>
>
> --- In basicstamps@y..., duane ribron <ribron32@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- Iconium <Iconium@s...> wrote:
> > > I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and
> > > was wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want
> > > to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help
> > > me??
> > > Before you jump into the basic stamp... check out
> > oopic.com they have a great product at a much lower
> > price tag.. It also has more memory, faster processing
> > speed, and is multiprocessing.. Oh yeah, and it
> > handels three different languages.. c++, java, and
> > basic.
> > > thanks Justin
> > >
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BS2 or BS2SX would be a
good start point. The prototyping board would be a great help to you at
learning how to hook up
different things to the Stamp and getting them to work. The BOE board is
just the right size
for normal experiments. Plus when your more skilled and advanced you can use
the board with
all the other Stamps of that pinout pattern. Even some competitors make pin
compatible MCU's that you could plug into the same board.
Granted there are other devices out there, but after you've become more
experienced at using Stamps and hooking them up to things and getting
meaningful results from them, can you decide what other MCU's you may want
to use. The other MCU's require more skill at being able to use. Some MCU's
are downright tough to use, no support, and no help, to get you going.
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From: Rodent [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=9F-j9Wnz6iC1d4zrUDcj6DAsdoAfkhXAJ96Qf1ipsf3tS7b4vSY--8UVELopNVkxhpAAjF89-8NsGA]daweasel@s...[/url
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:30 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] just starting out
Starting out with a Basic Stamp, I am biased towards Parallax. However, I
have played around with the OOPic and am dabbling with PICs also.
The key difference is the amount of support Parallax offers versus OOPic or
other stamp clone makers. Got a problem with a Parallax product? They are
there to help you. The documentation is fairly detailed and there is a
wealth of knowledge from supporting vendors.
On the other hand, the OOPic documentation is sparse, hard to use, and if
you have a problem they will get back to you eventually. I got frustrated
and gave mine away because it was such a pain.
The final straw was when I bought an expansion board, which has the same
footprint as the OOPic board and has a place for a connector which exactly
line up with the header on the OOPic board. It should be a piggyback
arrangement just like what Parallax does, correct? Wrong!
I emailed them when I discovered a double-row connector would not fit the
board -- the holes in the board were too small to accept the pins on
standard connector. I tried several different brands and none would work. I
contacted Savage and their response was that the board was designed to have
pins pressed in and not soldered, and thats why the holes were small. I've
been around electronic assembly and manufacturing for a long time and have
*never* heard this nonsense.
Original Message
> Price alone is not a good criteria when making a purchase. The Parallax
> Stamp products have an excellent array of choices at a fair price. I
always
> prefer buying from a source that I know will be there to-morrow. There is
> good on-line support in this forum and if you have a questions you will
most
> likely get an answer. There are also other suppliers that make products in
> support of Stamp products. The wealth of supporting information on stamp
> application and code is outstanding. You will not be left out in the cold
> with a piece of hardware and software that do not work to-gether and no
> documentation. Save yourself the headache and buy Parallax.
> > > I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and
> > > was wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want
> > > to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help
> > > me??
> > > Before you jump into the basic stamp... check out
> > oopic.com they have a great product at a much lower
> > price tag.. It also has more memory, faster processing
> > speed, and is multiprocessing.. Oh yeah, and it
> > handels three different languages.. c++, java, and
> > basic.
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the "old reliable". If you wanted to spend extra money, my second choice
would be the BS2P.
All you really need is the chip. The Parallax boards are nice, but if
you download the manuals, you'll see that it isn't hard to make a cable.
Then you can use any solderless breadboard you like (the ones on the
Parallax boards are a bit small). You also need a way to connect a 9V
battery to the Stamp (or a power supply).
You can homebrew all of this. Also, check out
http://www.al-williams.com/awce/asp2.htm if you'd rather get something
off the shelf that includes some starter projects. If you don't want to
burn up batteries, check out http://www.al-williams.com/awce/ps1.htm.
So total prices:
BS2 (Parallax): $49.00
ASP2 (AWC): $14.95
Breadboard (Radio Shack): $12.00 (estimated)
Serial Cable (Computer Store): $6.00 (estimated)
Total = 81.95
Add the price of a 9V battery or if you are feeling extravagant a 9V
"battery eliminator" from Radio Shack or Walmart.
If you add the power supply (which you don't need unless you plan to
hook up more than the Stamp can supply):
PS1 (AWC): $14.95
Wall transformer (Walmart): $6.00 (estimated)
Total = $102.90.
Still well under your budget. Of course, this all assumes you have a PC.
If you already have breadboards and serial cables, the cost is even
less. The advantage to either rolling your own or going with an ASP-II
is that you can use any breadboard you already have and/or use as large
a breadboard as you want to buy. For example, you can see a picture of
my favorite setup on the ASP-II page mentioned above. That board is big
enough that I often have 4 or 5 projects going at once on it. Sometimes
I'll have 2 or 3 Stamp pins going to one project and 7 or 8 going to
another. Or I'll have another Stamp on there and just move the cable
when I switch gears.
Good luck!
Al Williams
AWC
* Easy RS-232 Prototyping
http://www.al-williams.com/awce/rs1.htm
>
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>
>
> I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and was
> wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want to keep it
> around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help me??
>
> thanks Justin
>
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recommends, plus everything to get started: leds, motors, stepper, i2c,
sensors, and best of all: a manual, clearly written.
Here's the description (taken from P. Anderson website):
Basic Starter Package for BS2 Newcomers
$79.00 plus $8.00 Shipping in the US.
The package includes the following items.
* 1 Jameco JE25 Solderless Breadboard
* 1 +12VDC and regulated +5V power supply, Total current 1.0A
* 1 Serial cable, 9-pin DB25 to 10 pin female header
* 1 10 pin wirewrap header
* 1 12V DC Motor
* 1 12V Stepper, Unipolar, Airpax L82701-H-P2
* 10 LEDs with built in 330 Ohm resistor
* 10 1M Resistors
* 10 100K Resistors
* 10 10K Resistors
* 10 1K Resistors
* 10 330 Ohm Resistors
* 2 4.7K 9-Resistor SIP Networks
* 4 22 uFd Capacitors
* 4 1 uFd Capacitors
* 4 0.1 uFd (Mylar)
* 4 50,000 pFd (Disk Ceramic)
* 10 1N4004 Diodes
* 1 100K Pot
* 1 10K Pot
* 1 10K NTC Thermistor
* 1 Speaker (0.2W)
* 1 4-bit DIP switch
* 4 Momentary pushbuttons (normally open).
* 1 ULN2803 Octal Driver IC
* 1 L293D Dual H Bridge with Heat Sink
* 1 LM324 Quad Op Amp (single supply)
* 1 555 Timer IC
* 1 ADC0831 8-bit A/D
* 1 DS1624 - 13-bit Digital Thermometer plus 256 byte EEPROM
* 1 Logic "Probe"
* 22 AWG wire for the solderless breadboard.
Add $49 for a BS2, and I'm sure you'll have real fun.
I'm not affiliated in any way with Peter Anderson, but I did buy one of
these kits and I had a few weeks (months!) of fun trying (and succeedding!)
all the experiments described in his book.
His website: http://www.phanderson.com
Stephan
Le 28.1.2002 15:39, Al Williams <alw@a...> a
Just wanna add a few things. I did a senior project for my university
which was radio controlled talking clock. For me, the Basic Stamp was
very helpful. At the time, I had zero experience programming
microcontrollers but was very interested nonetheless. I am
overwhelmingly thankful to the dedicated technical support people at
Parallax as well as the people who helped me in this list. Without
it, my project could not have been completed (if at all, definitely
not on time).
I think the Scott Edwards book "Programming and Customizing the Basic
Stamp computer" stated that the Basic Stamp was designed to take the
job of programming microcontrollers out of the hands of experts and
into the hands of novices. It sure served the purpose.
For someone like myself new to the world of programming
microcontrollers, Basic Stamps are a good "stepping stone". However,
I believe that if a person wants more microcontroller programming
experience, he or she should not only stick to Basic Stamps. For one
thing, they are expensive. i'll admit, I did buy the $350 kit which
helped me a lot. There are cheaper MCUs like PICs and AVRs out there.
Also, I believe that being able to program other MCUs like 8051 and
68HC11 makes for a rewarding well-rounded experienced MCU programmer.
This is something that can take years to master but it is just a
matter of interest. I don't think engineers other than computer or
electrical would have such interest.
P.S. Basic Stamp applications are discussed every month on the issue
of Nuts and Volts.
Best Regards,
RP
--- In basicstamps@y..., "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@a...> wrote:
> In my opinion,you should get a parallax BOE board and Stamp, maybe
with the
> BS2 or BS2SX would be a
> good start point. The prototyping board would be a great help to
you at
> learning how to hook up
> different things to the Stamp and getting them to work. The BOE
board is
> just the right size
> for normal experiments. Plus when your more skilled and advanced
you can use
> the board with
> all the other Stamps of that pinout pattern. Even some competitors
make pin
> compatible MCU's that you could plug into the same board.
>
> Granted there are other devices out there, but after you've become
more
> experienced at using Stamps and hooking them up to things and
getting
> meaningful results from them, can you decide what other MCU's you
may want
> to use. The other MCU's require more skill at being able to use.
Some MCU's
> are downright tough to use, no support, and no help, to get you
going.
>
>
Original Message
> From: Rodent [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:daweasel@s...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:30 PM
> To: basicstamps@y...
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] just starting out
>
>
> Starting out with a Basic Stamp, I am biased towards Parallax.
However, I
> have played around with the OOPic and am dabbling with PICs also.
>
> The key difference is the amount of support Parallax offers versus
OOPic or
> other stamp clone makers. Got a problem with a Parallax product?
They are
> there to help you. The documentation is fairly detailed and there
is a
> wealth of knowledge from supporting vendors.
>
> On the other hand, the OOPic documentation is sparse, hard to use,
and if
> you have a problem they will get back to you eventually. I got
frustrated
> and gave mine away because it was such a pain.
>
> The final straw was when I bought an expansion board, which has the
same
> footprint as the OOPic board and has a place for a connector which
exactly
> line up with the header on the OOPic board. It should be a piggyback
> arrangement just like what Parallax does, correct? Wrong!
>
> I emailed them when I discovered a double-row connector would not
fit the
> board -- the holes in the board were too small to accept the pins on
> standard connector. I tried several different brands and none would
work. I
> contacted Savage and their response was that the board was designed
to have
> pins pressed in and not soldered, and thats why the holes were
small. I've
> been around electronic assembly and manufacturing for a long time
and have
> *never* heard this nonsense.
>
>
Original Message
>
> > Price alone is not a good criteria when making a purchase. The
Parallax
> > Stamp products have an excellent array of choices at a fair
price. I
> always
> > prefer buying from a source that I know will be there to-morrow.
There is
> > good on-line support in this forum and if you have a questions
you will
> most
> > likely get an answer. There are also other suppliers that make
products in
> > support of Stamp products. The wealth of supporting information
on stamp
> > application and code is outstanding. You will not be left out in
the cold
> > with a piece of hardware and software that do not work to-gether
and no
> > documentation. Save yourself the headache and buy Parallax.
>
> > > > I am Just starting in the whole basic stamps, and
> > > > was wondering what is a good kit to buy???? I want
> > > > to keep it around $150 or sooo... Can anyone help
> > > > me??
>
> > > > Before you jump into the basic stamp... check out
> > > oopic.com they have a great product at a much lower
> > > price tag.. It also has more memory, faster processing
> > > speed, and is multiprocessing.. Oh yeah, and it
> > > handels three different languages.. c++, java, and
> > > basic.
>
>
>
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