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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2002-01-14 00:57 in General Discussion
I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
to record the tension profile.

It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.

-- Tracy

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-10 18:22
    Tracy,

    Break the line, and attach both broken ends to the arms of a V-shaped
    metal spring, the the base of the V attached to the cylinder. Mount a
    small magnet on one arm of the V and an Allegro linear Hall effect
    sensor on the other arm. With the right thickness, the spring should
    follow Hooke's Law F = -kx, where x is linear separation of the two arms
    of the V, and F is tensile force.

    Dennis

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    I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    to record the tension profile.

    It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.

    -- Tracy

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-10 18:28
    Fishing line has approximately a 2 to 1 stretch ratio, so if you were to
    mount a small magnet on the line, and a hall-effect sensor at the end, you
    could read the stretch in the line which would be relative to the tension on
    it.

    From: "Tracy Allen" <tracy@

    > I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    > the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    > line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    > minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    > to record the tension profile.
    >
    > It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    > speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
    >
    > -- Tracy
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-10 18:47
    Tracy,

    How about a strain gauge through an ADC to your data logger?

    Tim


    At 09:17 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:
    >I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    >the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    >line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    >minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    >to record the tension profile.
    >
    >It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    >speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
    >
    > -- Tracy
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-10 19:47
    From: "Tracy Allen" <tracy@e...>


    > I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    > the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    > line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    > minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    > to record the tension profile.

    How about a load cell that's read by the data logger? I worked on an
    application a long time ago where one was used in conjunction with a large
    crane for weighing things. A much scaled down version could be calibrated to
    measure the line tension.

    Tim
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 01:29
    >I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    >the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    >line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    >minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    >to record the tension profile.
    >
    >It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    >speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
    >
    > -- Tracy


    Maybe one of the Force Sensing Resistor devices? I think there
    are issues with hysteresis and you'd probably have to
    temperature compensate it, but it could be small & simple.

    Reg
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 02:01
    Maybe something like a syringe with a pressure transducer on the end pull
    the string and the syringe pulls a vacuum you would need a spring in the
    syringe.

    Original Message
    From: "Tracy Allen" <tracy@e...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: January 10, 2002 9:17 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] tension in fish line


    | I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    | the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    | line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    | minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    | to record the tension profile.
    |
    | It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    | speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
    |
    | -- Tracy
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 02:31
    Is it essential to put the electronics underwater? Would a system aboard the
    boat be workable?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 05:49
    Thank's for the ideas and comments!

    >Dennis:
    >Break the line, and attach both broken ends to the arms of a V-shaped
    >metal spring, the the base of the V attached to the cylinder. Mount a
    >small magnet on one arm of the V and an Allegro linear Hall effect
    >sensor on the other arm.

    >FalconW:
    >Fishing line has approximately a 2 to 1 stretch ratio, so if you were to
    >mount a small magnet on the line, and a hall-effect sensor at the end, you
    >could read the stretch in the line

    I like the magnet idea. It would be neat to simply attach the magnet
    to a stretchy piece of line and monitor its motion in relation to a
    detector fixed in the cylinder. The magnet might run in a guide tube
    alongside the main cylinder. It doesn't require too much accuracy.

    >Tim M:
    >How about a strain gauge through an ADC to your data logger?

    >Tim McD:
    >How about a load cell that's read by the data logger?

    I am not sure what kind of strain gage to use or what to fasten it
    to. Does anybody know of a "strain gage" like a little piece of
    string with two loops at the ends? I'm afraid there may not be room
    inside this cylinder for the necessary amplifier. It barely holds
    the existing circuits and a coin cell.

    >Reg:
    >Maybe one of the Force Sensing Resistor devices? I think there are
    >issues with hysteresis and you'd probably have to temperature
    >compensate it, but it could be small & simple.

    That is actually what we used in a desktop prototype, but they
    operate in compression so it would need some lever action or an FSR
    in the shape of a small donut that we could bring a bolt up through
    to change tension to compression. But I can't find much variety in
    off the shelf FSRs. Is there some other material we could use like
    that?

    >Larry:
    >Maybe something like a syringe with a pressure transducer on the end pull
    >the string and the syringe pulls a vacuum you would need a spring in the
    >syringe.


    hmmm. Maybe something like a gel-filled bellows.

    >Michael:
    >Is it essential to put the electronics underwater? Would a system
    >aboard the boat be workable?


    I think it does have to be underwater. It will monitor a couple of
    other parameters at depth.


    -- Thanks for the great ideas, and I'm still fishing!
    Tracy
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 08:46
    Re: Strain gauge. I have seen a conductive fluid filled length of rubber or
    other stretchy tubing used as a strain gauge. Resistance changes as
    the tube stretches and diameter changes.

    Bob Nienhuis
    nienhuis@w...

    At 09:49 PM 1/10/02 -0800, you wrote:
    >Thank's for the ideas and comments!
    >
    > >Dennis:
    > >Break the line, and attach both broken ends to the arms of a V-shaped
    > >metal spring, the the base of the V attached to the cylinder. Mount a
    > >small magnet on one arm of the V and an Allegro linear Hall effect
    > >sensor on the other arm.
    >
    > >FalconW:
    > >Fishing line has approximately a 2 to 1 stretch ratio, so if you were to
    > >mount a small magnet on the line, and a hall-effect sensor at the end, you
    > >could read the stretch in the line
    >
    >I like the magnet idea. It would be neat to simply attach the magnet
    >to a stretchy piece of line and monitor its motion in relation to a
    >detector fixed in the cylinder. The magnet might run in a guide tube
    >alongside the main cylinder. It doesn't require too much accuracy.
    >
    > >Tim M:
    > >How about a strain gauge through an ADC to your data logger?
    >
    > >Tim McD:
    > >How about a load cell that's read by the data logger?
    >
    >I am not sure what kind of strain gage to use or what to fasten it
    >to. Does anybody know of a "strain gage" like a little piece of
    >string with two loops at the ends? I'm afraid there may not be room
    >inside this cylinder for the necessary amplifier. It barely holds
    >the existing circuits and a coin cell.
    >
    > >Reg:
    > >Maybe one of the Force Sensing Resistor devices? I think there are
    > >issues with hysteresis and you'd probably have to temperature
    > >compensate it, but it could be small & simple.
    >
    >That is actually what we used in a desktop prototype, but they
    >operate in compression so it would need some lever action or an FSR
    >in the shape of a small donut that we could bring a bolt up through
    >to change tension to compression. But I can't find much variety in
    >off the shelf FSRs. Is there some other material we could use like
    >that?
    >
    > >Larry:
    > >Maybe something like a syringe with a pressure transducer on the end pull
    > >the string and the syringe pulls a vacuum you would need a spring in the
    > >syringe.
    >
    >
    >hmmm. Maybe something like a gel-filled bellows.
    >
    > >Michael:
    > >Is it essential to put the electronics underwater? Would a system
    > >aboard the boat be workable?
    >
    >
    >I think it does have to be underwater. It will monitor a couple of
    >other parameters at depth.
    >
    >
    > -- Thanks for the great ideas, and I'm still fishing!
    > Tracy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 11:26
    I'm not sure how describing this will go and it's a bit beyond ascii
    art. I'll give it a shot anyway.

    Imagine a cylinder stuck vertically on a fixed base. Attached to the
    bottom is one end of a spring which is much shorter than the
    length of the cylinder. The top end of the spring has a loop. The
    fishing line passes over one side of the cylinder, down through the
    loop in the spring and up over the other side of the cylinder.
    The position of the top of the spring is proportional to the tension
    on the fishing line. Attach that to the slider of a linear pot, measure
    and do some sums.
    The cylinder is just to illustrate the concept. Take a couple of
    fishing rod roller guides and fold to suit.
    Cheap and simple and doesn't require the line to be cut. The line
    can even run through it.

    Steve.




    > Thank's for the ideas and comments!
    >
    > >Dennis:
    > >Break the line, and attach both broken ends to the arms of a V-shaped
    > >metal spring, the the base of the V attached to the cylinder. Mount
    > >a small magnet on one arm of the V and an Allegro linear Hall effect
    > >sensor on the other arm.
    >
    > >FalconW:
    > >Fishing line has approximately a 2 to 1 stretch ratio, so if you were
    > >to mount a small magnet on the line, and a hall-effect sensor at the
    > >end, you could read the stretch in the line
    >
    > I like the magnet idea. It would be neat to simply attach the magnet
    > to a stretchy piece of line and monitor its motion in relation to a
    > detector fixed in the cylinder. The magnet might run in a guide tube
    > alongside the main cylinder. It doesn't require too much accuracy.
    >
    > >Tim M:
    > >How about a strain gauge through an ADC to your data logger?
    >
    > >Tim McD:
    > >How about a load cell that's read by the data logger?
    >
    > I am not sure what kind of strain gage to use or what to fasten it to.
    > Does anybody know of a "strain gage" like a little piece of string
    > with two loops at the ends? I'm afraid there may not be room inside
    > this cylinder for the necessary amplifier. It barely holds the
    > existing circuits and a coin cell.
    >
    > >Reg:
    > >Maybe one of the Force Sensing Resistor devices? I think there are
    > >issues with hysteresis and you'd probably have to temperature
    > >compensate it, but it could be small & simple.
    >
    > That is actually what we used in a desktop prototype, but they
    > operate in compression so it would need some lever action or an FSR in
    > the shape of a small donut that we could bring a bolt up through to
    > change tension to compression. But I can't find much variety in off
    > the shelf FSRs. Is there some other material we could use like that?
    >
    > >Larry:
    > >Maybe something like a syringe with a pressure transducer on the end
    > >pull the string and the syringe pulls a vacuum you would need a
    > >spring in the syringe.
    >
    >
    > hmmm. Maybe something like a gel-filled bellows.
    >
    > >Michael:
    > >Is it essential to put the electronics underwater? Would a system
    > >aboard the boat be workable?
    >
    >
    > I think it does have to be underwater. It will monitor a couple of
    > other parameters at depth.
    >
    >
    > -- Thanks for the great ideas, and I'm still fishing!
    > Tracy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 19:34
    A variation on Bob's suggestion: use ferromagnetic fluid inside a
    stretchy tube, with a permanent magnet glued to the wall of the tube,
    and a linear Hall sensor to detect small changes in paramagnetism as the
    bore of the tube decreases. This could be made very small.
    Dennis

    Bob Nienhuis:
    Re: Strain gauge. I have seen a conductive fluid filled length of rubber
    or other stretchy tubing used as a strain gauge. Resistance changes as
    the tube stretches and diameter changes.

    Tracy:
    >I like the magnet idea. It would be neat to simply attach the magnet
    >to a stretchy piece of line and monitor its motion in relation to a
    >detector fixed in the cylinder. The magnet might run in a guide tube
    >alongside the main cylinder. It doesn't require too much accuracy.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 22:15
    I think that the internal friction of the syringe would probably be an
    issue, but I LOVE this idea. I think that it is incredibily creative and
    novel.

    Chris

    <<>>

    Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:01:08 -0800
    From: "Larry Gaminde" <lgaminde@t...>
    Subject: Re: tension in fish line

    Maybe something like a syringe with a pressure transducer on the end pull
    the string and the syringe pulls a vacuum you would need a spring in the
    syringe.

    Original Message
    From: "Tracy Allen" <tracy@e...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: January 10, 2002 9:17 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] tension in fish line


    | I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    | the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    | line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    | minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    | to record the tension profile.
    |
    | It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    | speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
    |
    | -- Tracy
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-11 23:33
    Why thank you! I was thinking the same thing. Actually I would test with
    the syringe but I have found a bimba single action pneumatic cylinder about
    1.5" wide with a 3/4 stroke and a 12 pound spring for retract for $4.95,
    with threaded end that could be installed into the electronic cylinder
    having only the plunger end exposed. Sure would like to know if this would
    work would the measurements be repeatable ??



    Original Message
    From: "Christopher C Dundorf" <cdundorf@j...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: January 11, 2002 2:15 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line


    | I think that the internal friction of the syringe would probably be an
    | issue, but I LOVE this idea. I think that it is incredibily creative and
    | novel.
    |
    | Chris
    |
    | <<>>
    |
    | Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:01:08 -0800
    | From: "Larry Gaminde" <lgaminde@t...>
    | Subject: Re: tension in fish line
    |
    | Maybe something like a syringe with a pressure transducer on the end pull
    | the string and the syringe pulls a vacuum you would need a spring in the
    | syringe.
    |
    |
    Original Message
    | From: "Tracy Allen" <tracy@e...>
    | To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    | Sent: January 10, 2002 9:17 AM
    | Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] tension in fish line
    |
    |
    | | I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    | | the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    | | line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    | | minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger
    | | to record the tension profile.
    | |
    | | It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    | | speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
    | |
    | | -- Tracy
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-12 02:56
    Tracy,

    Have you looked into Omega's Thin Beam Load Cells? They are small in
    size -- 1.25" x 0.312" x 0.063 (largest size). Smallest size is 1.20" x
    0.25" x 0.006. Maybe that's still too large, though...

    Ranges are from 0.25 to 40 lbs. They have some diagrams showing typical
    mounting arrangements. Not sure if you could get the mechanics right to
    measure tension or not. Especially since "all thin beam load cells
    require mounting clamps to create a 'double bend' during loading." This
    would probably increase the size requirements as well.

    Good luck!

    Aaron

    On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:49:38 -0800 Tracy Allen <tracy@e...>
    writes:
    > >Tim M:
    > >How about a strain gauge through an ADC to your data logger?
    >
    > >Tim McD:
    > >How about a load cell that's read by the data logger?
    >
    > I am not sure what kind of strain gage to use or what to fasten it
    > to. Does anybody know of a "strain gage" like a little piece of
    > string with two loops at the ends? I'm afraid there may not be room
    > inside this cylinder for the necessary amplifier. It barely holds
    > the existing circuits and a coin cell.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-12 23:18
    For a system with no mechanical parts, consider using the small cylinder
    as a pitot tube. Glue a small solid state pressure transducer inside
    the tube, sealed to a hole in the tube side. As flow past the tube
    opening increases, pressure decreases proportionately. You might also
    add another pressure transducer which measures the 'stagnant'
    (non-flowing) water inside the tube . By using the output of both
    transducers as inputs to a differential amp, the difference will be
    proportional to flow, independent of pressure due to depth of the
    cylinder.

    Dennis O'Leary


    From: "Tracy Allen" <tracy@e...>
    | I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    | the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    | line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    | minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger to

    | record the tension profile.
    |
    | It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    | speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-12 23:33
    I wonder if you could use existing technology???
    what makes the speedometer in a boat move????
    maybe just make a smaller version of this .
    regards
    victor Faria
    Original Message
    From: "Dennis P. O'Leary" <doleary@h...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:18 PM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line


    > For a system with no mechanical parts, consider using the small cylinder
    > as a pitot tube. Glue a small solid state pressure transducer inside
    > the tube, sealed to a hole in the tube side. As flow past the tube
    > opening increases, pressure decreases proportionately. You might also
    > add another pressure transducer which measures the 'stagnant'
    > (non-flowing) water inside the tube . By using the output of both
    > transducers as inputs to a differential amp, the difference will be
    > proportional to flow, independent of pressure due to depth of the
    > cylinder.
    >
    > Dennis O'Leary
    >
    >
    > From: "Tracy Allen" <tracy@e...>
    > | I have a project where I need to monitor tension in a fish line, and
    > | the sensor has to fit in a small cylinder attached underwater in the
    > | line. Any ideas? I want to keep the mechanical complexity to a
    > | minimum. The cylinder will also contain a small PIC12C data logger to
    >
    > | record the tension profile.
    > |
    > | It occurs that something like this might be useful to monitor the
    > | speed of a boat, by recording the drag tension.
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-13 22:17
    I installed a boat speedometer on a "classic" fleetcraft outboard that I
    restored a few years ago. It basically measures air pressure.

    A boat speedometer has a small fin that is in the water under the boat. The
    fin has a small hole in the front that is attached to a hollow rubber tube that
    goes to a cylinder and then a hollow rubber tube that goes to the speedometer.
    Water goes in the fin hole when the boat accelerates, the water gets pushed up
    a tube into the cylinder, the air that was in the cylinder gets compressed and
    pushed through a tube to the speedometer, and the speedometer has a spring
    loaded cylinder / plunger that gets moved by the air pressure and turns the
    needle.

    I don't think that this would work for your application, but it might give you
    some other ideas. How about a simple mechanical approach. Hard mount a pully
    on on a spring loaded trim pot for the string to wrap around, and wire the trim
    pot as a voltage divider and measure the voltage. You could also spring load a
    slider in the same way, and mount it in some sort of tube.

    stew

    On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:33:39 -0500, victor Faria wrote:
    >I wonder if you could use existing technology???
    >what makes the speedometer in a boat move????
    >maybe just make a smaller version of this .
    >regards
    >victor Faria
    >
    Original Message
    >From: "Dennis P. O'Leary" <doleary@h...>
    >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:18 PM
    >Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-13 22:21
    Here is another thought!
    in one of the catalogs(jameco)I think I saw a flex resistor
    it was a straight bar of some sort and as it flexes the resistance changes.
    so think of a fishing pole as it bends so would the resistor.it was
    attached then just read a current going through the resister like the pot
    command.
    regards
    victor

    Original Message
    From: "Stewart Mayer" <stewlist@k...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:17 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line


    > I installed a boat speedometer on a "classic" fleetcraft outboard that I
    > restored a few years ago. It basically measures air pressure.
    >
    > A boat speedometer has a small fin that is in the water under the boat.
    The
    > fin has a small hole in the front that is attached to a hollow rubber tube
    that
    > goes to a cylinder and then a hollow rubber tube that goes to the
    speedometer.
    > Water goes in the fin hole when the boat accelerates, the water gets
    pushed up
    > a tube into the cylinder, the air that was in the cylinder gets compressed
    and
    > pushed through a tube to the speedometer, and the speedometer has a spring
    > loaded cylinder / plunger that gets moved by the air pressure and turns
    the
    > needle.
    >
    > I don't think that this would work for your application, but it might give
    you
    > some other ideas. How about a simple mechanical approach. Hard mount a
    pully
    > on on a spring loaded trim pot for the string to wrap around, and wire the
    trim
    > pot as a voltage divider and measure the voltage. You could also spring
    load a
    > slider in the same way, and mount it in some sort of tube.
    >
    > stew
    >
    > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:33:39 -0500, victor Faria wrote:
    > >I wonder if you could use existing technology???
    > >what makes the speedometer in a boat move????
    > >maybe just make a smaller version of this .
    > >regards
    > >victor Faria
    > >
    Original Message
    > >From: "Dennis P. O'Leary" <doleary@h...>
    > >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:18 PM
    > >Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-13 22:39
    Typically all but the cheapest fish-finders will also have a speed function.
    I can even tell you how to make it read through the hull without drilling
    holes.

    Original Message


    > I installed a boat speedometer on a "classic" fleetcraft outboard that I
    > restored a few years ago. It basically measures air pressure.
    >
    > A boat speedometer has a small fin that is in the water under the boat.
    The
    > fin has a small hole in the front that is attached to a hollow rubber tube
    that
    > goes to a cylinder and then a hollow rubber tube that goes to the
    speedometer.
    > Water goes in the fin hole when the boat accelerates, the water gets
    pushed up
    > a tube into the cylinder, the air that was in the cylinder gets compressed
    and
    > pushed through a tube to the speedometer, and the speedometer has a spring
    > loaded cylinder / plunger that gets moved by the air pressure and turns
    the
    > needle.
    >
    > I don't think that this would work for your application, but it might give
    you
    > some other ideas. How about a simple mechanical approach. Hard mount a
    pully
    > on on a spring loaded trim pot for the string to wrap around, and wire the
    trim
    > pot as a voltage divider and measure the voltage. You could also spring
    load a
    > slider in the same way, and mount it in some sort of tube.

    > >I wonder if you could use existing technology???
    > >what makes the speedometer in a boat move????
    > >maybe just make a smaller version of this .
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-13 23:04
    I've been thinking about this problem in my spare time, and conducted some
    thought experiments - and I have a similar idea to Victor.

    Imagine the fishing line passing thru the cylinder. Connect a small spring
    from the middle of the line inside the cylinder to the edge of the cylinder.

    The spring tensions the line so that the line makes a slight Y shape. Glue a
    flexi strain guage across the top of the Y. Hey presto, the guage will flex
    depending on the tug on the line. If the line stretches too much for the
    load, use steel piano or guitar wire inside the cylinder. Easily
    waterproofed too. Put two clips on the line just outside the cyclinder to
    keep the line inside slightly tensioned and stop the insides moving about
    when there is no load.

    Regards,

    Tony Wells

    Original Message
    From: "victor Faria" <victorf@g...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:21 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line


    > Here is another thought!
    > in one of the catalogs(jameco)I think I saw a flex resistor
    > it was a straight bar of some sort and as it flexes the resistance
    changes.
    > so think of a fishing pole as it bends so would the resistor.it was
    > attached then just read a current going through the resister like the pot
    > command.
    > regards
    > victor
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: "Stewart Mayer" <stewlist@k...>
    > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:17 PM
    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line
    >
    >
    > > I installed a boat speedometer on a "classic" fleetcraft outboard that I
    > > restored a few years ago. It basically measures air pressure.
    > >
    > > A boat speedometer has a small fin that is in the water under the boat.
    > The
    > > fin has a small hole in the front that is attached to a hollow rubber
    tube
    > that
    > > goes to a cylinder and then a hollow rubber tube that goes to the
    > speedometer.
    > > Water goes in the fin hole when the boat accelerates, the water gets
    > pushed up
    > > a tube into the cylinder, the air that was in the cylinder gets
    compressed
    > and
    > > pushed through a tube to the speedometer, and the speedometer has a
    spring
    > > loaded cylinder / plunger that gets moved by the air pressure and turns
    > the
    > > needle.
    > >
    > > I don't think that this would work for your application, but it might
    give
    > you
    > > some other ideas. How about a simple mechanical approach. Hard mount a
    > pully
    > > on on a spring loaded trim pot for the string to wrap around, and wire
    the
    > trim
    > > pot as a voltage divider and measure the voltage. You could also spring
    > load a
    > > slider in the same way, and mount it in some sort of tube.
    > >
    > > stew
    > >
    > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:33:39 -0500, victor Faria wrote:
    > > >I wonder if you could use existing technology???
    > > >what makes the speedometer in a boat move????
    > > >maybe just make a smaller version of this .
    > > >regards
    > > >victor Faria
    > > >
    Original Message
    > > >From: "Dennis P. O'Leary" <doleary@h...>
    > > >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > > >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:18 PM
    > > >Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: tension in fish line
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-13 23:05
    Yeah, i've seen a few fish finders with thru-hull transducers that can also
    read speed (my brother is a major fisherman with all the toys), but the old
    style speedometer was a nice touch to keep the "vintage" boat looking
    "vintage". Although it may sound like blasphemy, I'm trying to keep this
    beauty "mico-controller free" [noparse]:)[/noparse] Sometimes good ideas come from old solutions
    too, even if they are mechanical. Sorry if i'm getting off topic.

    stew

    On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:39:52 -0600, Rodent wrote:
    >Typically all but the cheapest fish-finders will also have a speed function.
    >I can even tell you how to make it read through the hull without drilling
    >holes.
    >


    --
    Stewart Mayer, stewlist@k... on 01/13/2002
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2002-01-14 00:57
    There are some analog speedometers with "vintage" faceplates that are
    actually servo-driven -- that would solve the instrument problem. As far as
    the sensor, I would suspect anything but pressure and a propeller would be
    non-linear and would require some brainwork to process with an analog
    circuit.


    Original Message

    > Yeah, i've seen a few fish finders with thru-hull transducers that can
    also
    > read speed (my brother is a major fisherman with all the toys), but the
    old
    > style speedometer was a nice touch to keep the "vintage" boat looking
    > "vintage". Although it may sound like blasphemy, I'm trying to keep this
    > beauty "mico-controller free" [noparse]:)[/noparse] Sometimes good ideas come from old
    solutions
    > too, even if they are mechanical. Sorry if i'm getting off topic.

    > >Typically all but the cheapest fish-finders will also have a speed
    function.
    > >I can even tell you how to make it read through the hull without drilling
    > >holes.
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