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laser range finder

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-11-23 23:40 in General Discussion
This is my first post so keep that in mind.

I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to turn one of those
cheap laser pointers you can buy anywhere now days into a laser range
finder for a robotic project? I thought using a cds cell of some
sort and using pulsout to power the laser diode but im not sure how
to set it up and figure the delay to calculate distance.

Thanks in advance

Jay

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-21 17:23
    Jay: I dont know as it is worth the bother for you to use a laser pointer.
    You can get a very good high quality range finder from
    http://www.acroname.com The devantech srf04 for $25 it has a range of 3cm to
    3 meters. The GPD sharp series of range detectors also are nice, they have a
    shorter ranger, more like 6 feet as I recall.
    I have written an article on the Devantech for Nuts & Volts, but it wont be
    published for a few months. I have used the devantech ranger on a basic
    stamp ii, and found it to be a reliable sensor.
    -kerry

    At 04:31 PM 11/21/01 -0000, you wrote:
    >This is my first post so keep that in mind.
    >
    >I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to turn one of those
    >cheap laser pointers you can buy anywhere now days into a laser range
    >finder for a robotic project? I thought using a cds cell of some
    >sort and using pulsout to power the laser diode but im not sure how
    >to set it up and figure the delay to calculate distance.
    >
    >Thanks in advance
    >
    >Jay
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    Sincerely
    Kerry
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-21 17:40
    A cds cell would definitely be too slow.
    For that matter at 299,792,458 m s-1 (in a vacuum) the laser bounce from
    150meters away would only take about 1 microsecond.
    Now if you were to upgrade the laser to one able to bounce off the
    moon.........

    Original Message
    From: <j_bierstedt@h...>

    > This is my first post so keep that in mind.
    >
    > I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to turn one of those
    > cheap laser pointers you can buy anywhere now days into a laser range
    > finder for a robotic project? I thought using a cds cell of some
    > sort and using pulsout to power the laser diode but im not sure how
    > to set it up and figure the delay to calculate distance.
    >
    > Thanks in advance
    >
    > Jay
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-21 19:32
    What about using the laser for long distance measuring? Like 200 yds plus.


    Original Message
    From: "Kerry Barlow" <admin@m...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:23 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] laser range finder


    > Jay: I dont know as it is worth the bother for you to use a laser pointer.
    > You can get a very good high quality range finder from
    > http://www.acroname.com The devantech srf04 for $25 it has a range of 3cm
    to
    > 3 meters. The GPD sharp series of range detectors also are nice, they have
    a
    > shorter ranger, more like 6 feet as I recall.
    > I have written an article on the Devantech for Nuts & Volts, but it wont
    be
    > published for a few months. I have used the devantech ranger on a basic
    > stamp ii, and found it to be a reliable sensor.
    > -kerry
    >
    > At 04:31 PM 11/21/01 -0000, you wrote:
    > >This is my first post so keep that in mind.
    > >
    > >I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to turn one of those
    > >cheap laser pointers you can buy anywhere now days into a laser range
    > >finder for a robotic project? I thought using a cds cell of some
    > >sort and using pulsout to power the laser diode but im not sure how
    > >to set it up and figure the delay to calculate distance.
    > >
    > >Thanks in advance
    > >
    > >Jay
    > >
    > >
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    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    > Sincerely
    > Kerry
    > Admin@M...
    > WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
    > Kerry Barlow
    > p.o. box 21
    > kirkwood ny
    > 13795
    > 607-775-1132
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-21 20:39
    Take a look at the Seattle Robotics Encoder article on Laser Range
    Finding at http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200110/vision.htm

    gord u.

    j_bierstedt@h... wrote:
    >
    > This is my first post so keep that in mind.
    >
    > I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to turn one of those
    > cheap laser pointers you can buy anywhere now days into a laser range
    > finder for a robotic project? I thought using a cds cell of some
    > sort and using pulsout to power the laser diode but im not sure how
    > to set it up and figure the delay to calculate distance.
    >
    > Thanks in advance
    >
    > Jay
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-22 03:33
    I was thinking of using a range finder on a vehicle to show distance to the
    car in front. Does anyone know if wind noise at highway speeds would
    interfere with an ultrasonic sensor? If so, how cheap of a laser
    rangefinder can be found?


    > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:23:13 -0500
    > From: Kerry Barlow <admin@m...>
    > Subject: Re: laser range finder
    >
    > Jay: I dont know as it is worth the bother for you to use a laser pointer.
    > You can get a very good high quality range finder from
    > http://www.acroname.com The devantech srf04 for $25 it has a range of 3cm
    to
    > 3 meters. The GPD sharp series of range detectors also are nice, they have
    a
    > shorter ranger, more like 6 feet as I recall.
    > I have written an article on the Devantech for Nuts & Volts, but it wont
    be
    > published for a few months. I have used the devantech ranger on a basic
    > stamp ii, and found it to be a reliable sensor.
    > -kerry
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-22 16:46
    >I was thinking of using a range finder on a vehicle to show distance to the
    >car in front. Does anyone know if wind noise at highway speeds would
    >interfere with an ultrasonic sensor? If so, how cheap of a laser
    >rangefinder can be found?

    I was also thinking of a working on a laser rangefinder -- or laser speed
    detector -- when I get done with the dozen or so projects I am already
    struggling to complete. <G>

    I believe one of the key components is a "beam splitter". It's a device
    that reflects some of the light and passes the rest. The time difference
    between the local reflected light and the remote reflected light gives you
    distance.

    Two more issues:

    #1. You need to limit you laser power to 5mw so you don't blind anyone.

    #2. I assume that you would have to use a optical magnifying lens in front
    of your photodiode in order to detect a small spot at distance.

    Jay
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-22 18:23
    At 11:46 11/22/01, Jay Hanson wrote:

    > >I was thinking of using a range finder on a vehicle to show distance to the
    > >car in front. Does anyone know if wind noise at highway speeds would
    > >interfere with an ultrasonic sensor? If so, how cheap of a laser
    > >rangefinder can be found?
    >
    >I was also thinking of a working on a laser rangefinder -- or laser speed
    >detector -- when I get done with the dozen or so projects I am already
    >struggling to complete. <G>
    >
    >I believe one of the key components is a "beam splitter". It's a device
    >that reflects some of the light and passes the rest. The time difference
    >between the local reflected light and the remote reflected light gives you
    >distance.
    >
    >Two more issues:
    >
    >#1. You need to limit you laser power to 5mw so you don't blind anyone.

    Although it is unlikely the beam will be applied to anyone's eye for long
    enough to do damage, a 5mw (class IIIa) laser *IS* capable of doing damage
    for exposures of about 0.25 second or more. I'd avoid use of class IIIa
    lasers. Class IIIa includes many (maybe most) laser pointers.

    Jim H
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-22 19:29
    >Although it is unlikely the beam will be applied to anyone's eye for long
    >enough to do damage, a 5mw (class IIIa) laser *IS* capable of doing damage
    >for exposures of about 0.25 second or more. I'd avoid use of class IIIa
    >lasers. Class IIIa includes many (maybe most) laser pointers.

    Does anyone know what kind of lasers the police use in their laser speed
    detectors?

    Jay
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-22 19:47
    You could ask the speed trap detector manufacturers [noparse]:)[/noparse]


    Original Message
    From: Jay Hanson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=9GPsYH-2mcazatmxBNsrSQnGnZWoipHJoNsC8uv3fi8duLHU698yFUZNmAp6Cg0G49o]j@q...[/url
    Sent: 22 November 2001 19:29
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: laser range finder


    >Although it is unlikely the beam will be applied to anyone's eye for long
    >enough to do damage, a 5mw (class IIIa) laser *IS* capable of doing damage
    >for exposures of about 0.25 second or more. I'd avoid use of class IIIa
    >lasers. Class IIIa includes many (maybe most) laser pointers.

    Does anyone know what kind of lasers the police use in their laser speed
    detectors?

    Jay


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-23 16:15
    At 14:29 11/22/01, Jay Hanson wrote:
    > >Although it is unlikely the beam will be applied to anyone's eye for long
    > >enough to do damage, a 5mw (class IIIa) laser *IS* capable of doing damage
    > >for exposures of about 0.25 second or more. I'd avoid use of class IIIa
    > >lasers. Class IIIa includes many (maybe most) laser pointers.
    >
    >Does anyone know what kind of lasers the police use in their laser speed
    >detectors?


    Class I, usually infrared at 904 nm wavelength.


    Jim H
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-23 16:30
    >>Does anyone know what kind of lasers the police use in their laser speed
    >>detectors?
    >
    >Class I, usually infrared at 904 nm wavelength.

    I suspect they use a fairly wide beam instead of a spot like a laser
    pointer. True?

    Jay
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-23 16:32
    At 11:30 11/23/01, Jay Hanson wrote:

    > >>Does anyone know what kind of lasers the police use in their laser speed
    > >>detectors?
    > >
    > >Class I, usually infrared at 904 nm wavelength.
    >
    >I suspect they use a fairly wide beam instead of a spot like a laser
    >pointer. True?

    No, they mostly use a narrow beam.

    Jim H
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-23 19:33
    >>I suspect they use a fairly wide beam instead of a spot like a laser
    >>pointer. True?
    >
    >No, they mostly use a narrow beam.

    So eye damage is eliminated with a very short, intermittent pulse? In other
    words, the eye cools between pulses?

    Jay
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-23 23:39
    Jay,

    Jim is correct about Class IIIa eye damage. We switched to green diode
    lasers for a medical eye tracking application, due to 1/35 lesser power
    requirements for same perceived brightness as a 532 nm red diode. As
    they say in the laser industry: "Never stare into the laser beam with
    your remaining good eye."

    Dennis

    Original Message
    From: Jim Higgins [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=YIrGaX2UVAl8RsN4hRYeH51suHuRnQy4xdq303wKLbOZsMi8Spvu1y3KoxwtAD9PxiyeGl5hioa-4rqb]HigginsJ@s...[/url
    Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:23 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: laser range finder

    At 11:46 11/22/01, Jay Hanson wrote:

    > >I was thinking of using a range finder on a vehicle to show distance
    to the
    > >car in front. Does anyone know if wind noise at highway speeds would
    > >interfere with an ultrasonic sensor? If so, how cheap of a laser
    > >rangefinder can be found?
    >
    >I was also thinking of a working on a laser rangefinder -- or laser
    speed
    >detector -- when I get done with the dozen or so projects I am already
    >struggling to complete. <G>
    >
    >I believe one of the key components is a "beam splitter". It's a
    device
    >that reflects some of the light and passes the rest. The time
    difference
    >between the local reflected light and the remote reflected light gives
    you
    >distance.
    >
    >Two more issues:
    >
    >#1. You need to limit you laser power to 5mw so you don't blind anyone.

    Although it is unlikely the beam will be applied to anyone's eye for
    long
    enough to do damage, a 5mw (class IIIa) laser *IS* capable of doing
    damage
    for exposures of about 0.25 second or more. I'd avoid use of class IIIa

    lasers. Class IIIa includes many (maybe most) laser pointers.

    Jim H


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-11-23 23:40
    At 14:33 11/23/01, Jay Hanson wrote:
    > >>I suspect they use a fairly wide beam instead of a spot like a laser
    > >>pointer. True?
    > >
    > >No, they mostly use a narrow beam.
    >
    >So eye damage is eliminated with a very short, intermittent pulse? In other
    >words, the eye cools between pulses?

    No, the lasers used in police radar are Class I, 39 microwatts (if I
    remember correctly) maximum power output. These are harmless.

    Jim H
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