On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 01:34 PM, vrrv wrote:
> hi,
> anybody tried to program a Basic Stamp II with realbasic?
>
> rens
You can't, without more info on how the Basic Stamp works. Ditto
with SuperCard and CodeWarrior.
That said, you *can* easily communicate with the programmed
stamp from within any Mac application that can read and write
data to the serial port. You just can't program it because
there's no public API for doing so.
am 24.10.2001 20:15 Uhr schrieb Chilton Webb unter chilton@t...:
> You can't, without more info on how the Basic Stamp works. Ditto
> with SuperCard and CodeWarrior.
>
> That said, you *can* easily communicate with the programmed
> stamp from within any Mac application that can read and write
> data to the serial port. You just can't program it because
> there's no public API for doing so.
>
> -Chilton
in a message i got from the RealBasic nug i could read:
> Somewhere there must be documentation for PBASIC including the tokenized
> version (probably some kind of byte codes). You could start looking for that
> now so that when you're ready to take on the big challenge you'll already
> have most of the information you will need.
but it seems that there is no way to parsing and sending some ASCII to the
Basic stamp.
excuse my naive question - just a visual artist - trying to adopt my wishes
to control some artistic ideas to my very limited programming (only
realbasic) knowledge.
On Wednesday, November 7, 2001, at 07:03 AM, vrrv wrote:
>> Somewhere there must be documentation for PBASIC including the
>> tokenized
>> version (probably some kind of byte codes). You could start
>> looking for that
>> now so that when you're ready to take on the big challenge
>> you'll already
>> have most of the information you will need.
Well, this is the assumption I made as well. Unfortunately, it
turns out that this is not the case, or at least as far as I
know. Now, as I understand it, someone HAS written a book
covering this, but I haven't checked that out yet. But--this
won't be easy. Even if you have the tokenized equivalents of
code, you'll have to write your compiler. RB is a good tool for
that, just don't expect it to run RB code straight out of the
box. You'll need to do some work (but again, it's possible).
>
> but it seems that there is no way to parsing and sending some
> ASCII to the
> Basic stamp.
Actually this is a snap. No idea how hard it is in RB, as I
could never get RB's serial code to work right, (but that was
several versions ago). This is quite trivial using any terminal
app on the Mac and is made even easier under OSX, where the
serial port is a device you write to, just like a disk.
However, the problem is #1 above.
> excuse my naive question - just a visual artist - trying to
> adopt my wishes
> to control some artistic ideas to my very limited programming (only
> realbasic) knowledge.
>
Hey, the Mac needs a good visual client to the stamp. More power to ya!
The best thing to do would be to do it without using virtualPC nor the
keyspan PDA adapter. This way, it will run on OSX, using a USB port.
Best of luck to Rens, Chilton and all the other people working on it!
Please, let me know if it works, because I want to be the first one to buy
it!
If there's a Basic Stamp Editor for Mac, I'll use it. And now with XP
not running under DOS, why shouldn't there be? There should be Linux
version as well!
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> If you are a beginner with basic stamps and digital electronic my
> best suggestion to you is to buy a PC.
One is quite enough !
> Yes, I know that this could sound offensive for MAC users, but if you
> navigate internet you'll realize that 99.99% of forums, tips,
> support, free software, etc. are for PC world, so you will have
> thousands of tools to use...
Nice... is it a good reason ?
And what about this message from : Jon Williams, Applications Engineer,
Parallax (Tue, 4 Sep 2001)
> What's next? We're porting our compiler (the portion that actually converts
> PBASIC source to tokens) from 80x86 assembly language to C. We will license
> this to developers so that native PBASIC tools for Mac, Linux and other
> operating systems become possible. Stay tuned.
Regards
--
JNT running on PPC G4DP/ Mac OS 9.1 /MacOSX /VPC win98
email : jnthimonier@m... or jnt@s...
Ok guys these are MY reasons to use PC for electronics.
Most of the compilers need a PC EMULATOR to run on Macs ($150+$other
devices)
With that money I can buy an older PC (NOT a Pentium III) with parallel port
card and/or serial card. I never use serial or parallel ports included in
motherboard, I always buy and insert independent port cards. ¿The reason? If
I make erroneous connections, I prefer to blow up the card ($5 bucks)
instead the motherboard.
Of course this forum is for basic stamps, but if you are getting fun doing
electronics, probably there will come the time when you will need more power
than stamps, then an old computer will do it better by far than any
microcontroller. I had got old computers for $25 (twenty five)
If something blows up ¿Who cares?
I prefer this instead of been waiting for the companies to develop compilers
for my Mac "some of this days". I want to get fun NOW.
This is a very good reason.
Original Message
From: Jean Noël Thimonier <jnt00@f...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:52 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: programming basicstamps II from realbasic (mac)
>
> > If you are a beginner with basic stamps and digital electronic my
> > best suggestion to you is to buy a PC.
>
> One is quite enough !
>
> > Yes, I know that this could sound offensive for MAC users, but if you
> > navigate internet you'll realize that 99.99% of forums, tips,
> > support, free software, etc. are for PC world, so you will have
> > thousands of tools to use...
>
> Nice... is it a good reason ?
>
> And what about this message from : Jon Williams, Applications Engineer,
> Parallax (Tue, 4 Sep 2001)
>
> > What's next? We're porting our compiler (the portion that actually
converts
> > PBASIC source to tokens) from 80x86 assembly language to C. We will
license
> > this to developers so that native PBASIC tools for Mac, Linux and other
> > operating systems become possible. Stay tuned.
>
> Regards
> --
> JNT running on PPC G4DP/ Mac OS 9.1 /MacOSX /VPC win98
> email : jnthimonier@m... or jnt@s...
>
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> hi,
> anybody tried to program a Basic Stamp II with realbasic?
>
> rens
You can't, without more info on how the Basic Stamp works. Ditto
with SuperCard and CodeWarrior.
That said, you *can* easily communicate with the programmed
stamp from within any Mac application that can read and write
data to the serial port. You just can't program it because
there's no public API for doing so.
-Chilton
> You can't, without more info on how the Basic Stamp works. Ditto
> with SuperCard and CodeWarrior.
>
> That said, you *can* easily communicate with the programmed
> stamp from within any Mac application that can read and write
> data to the serial port. You just can't program it because
> there's no public API for doing so.
>
> -Chilton
in a message i got from the RealBasic nug i could read:
> Somewhere there must be documentation for PBASIC including the tokenized
> version (probably some kind of byte codes). You could start looking for that
> now so that when you're ready to take on the big challenge you'll already
> have most of the information you will need.
but it seems that there is no way to parsing and sending some ASCII to the
Basic stamp.
excuse my naive question - just a visual artist - trying to adopt my wishes
to control some artistic ideas to my very limited programming (only
realbasic) knowledge.
yours rens
>> Somewhere there must be documentation for PBASIC including the
>> tokenized
>> version (probably some kind of byte codes). You could start
>> looking for that
>> now so that when you're ready to take on the big challenge
>> you'll already
>> have most of the information you will need.
Well, this is the assumption I made as well. Unfortunately, it
turns out that this is not the case, or at least as far as I
know. Now, as I understand it, someone HAS written a book
covering this, but I haven't checked that out yet. But--this
won't be easy. Even if you have the tokenized equivalents of
code, you'll have to write your compiler. RB is a good tool for
that, just don't expect it to run RB code straight out of the
box. You'll need to do some work (but again, it's possible).
>
> but it seems that there is no way to parsing and sending some
> ASCII to the
> Basic stamp.
Actually this is a snap. No idea how hard it is in RB, as I
could never get RB's serial code to work right, (but that was
several versions ago). This is quite trivial using any terminal
app on the Mac and is made even easier under OSX, where the
serial port is a device you write to, just like a disk.
However, the problem is #1 above.
> excuse my naive question - just a visual artist - trying to
> adopt my wishes
> to control some artistic ideas to my very limited programming (only
> realbasic) knowledge.
>
Hey, the Mac needs a good visual client to the stamp. More power to ya!
-Chilton
> Hey, the Mac needs a good visual client to the stamp. More power to ya!
>
> -Chilton
thanks, i keep on trying. i will inform you, if i have any success
rens
The best thing to do would be to do it without using virtualPC nor the
keyspan PDA adapter. This way, it will run on OSX, using a USB port.
Best of luck to Rens, Chilton and all the other people working on it!
Please, let me know if it works, because I want to be the first one to buy
it!
JNT
>>if you navigate internet you'll realize that 99.99% of forums, tips,
support, free software, etc. are for PC world
forums - no platform
tips - no platform
support - no platform
free software - OK. Got that one.
Even Lego Mindstorms has Macintosh software.
http://www.lego.com/dacta/robolab/default.htm
If there's a Basic Stamp Editor for Mac, I'll use it. And now with XP
not running under DOS, why shouldn't there be? There should be Linux
version as well!
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> best suggestion to you is to buy a PC.
One is quite enough !
> Yes, I know that this could sound offensive for MAC users, but if you
> navigate internet you'll realize that 99.99% of forums, tips,
> support, free software, etc. are for PC world, so you will have
> thousands of tools to use...
Nice... is it a good reason ?
And what about this message from : Jon Williams, Applications Engineer,
Parallax (Tue, 4 Sep 2001)
> What's next? We're porting our compiler (the portion that actually converts
> PBASIC source to tokens) from 80x86 assembly language to C. We will license
> this to developers so that native PBASIC tools for Mac, Linux and other
> operating systems become possible. Stay tuned.
Regards
--
JNT running on PPC G4DP/ Mac OS 9.1 /MacOSX /VPC win98
email : jnthimonier@m... or jnt@s...
Most of the compilers need a PC EMULATOR to run on Macs ($150+$other
devices)
With that money I can buy an older PC (NOT a Pentium III) with parallel port
card and/or serial card. I never use serial or parallel ports included in
motherboard, I always buy and insert independent port cards. ¿The reason? If
I make erroneous connections, I prefer to blow up the card ($5 bucks)
instead the motherboard.
Of course this forum is for basic stamps, but if you are getting fun doing
electronics, probably there will come the time when you will need more power
than stamps, then an old computer will do it better by far than any
microcontroller. I had got old computers for $25 (twenty five)
If something blows up ¿Who cares?
I prefer this instead of been waiting for the companies to develop compilers
for my Mac "some of this days". I want to get fun NOW.
This is a very good reason.
Original Message
From: Jean Noël Thimonier <jnt00@f...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:52 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: programming basicstamps II from realbasic (mac)
>
> > If you are a beginner with basic stamps and digital electronic my
> > best suggestion to you is to buy a PC.
>
> One is quite enough !
>
> > Yes, I know that this could sound offensive for MAC users, but if you
> > navigate internet you'll realize that 99.99% of forums, tips,
> > support, free software, etc. are for PC world, so you will have
> > thousands of tools to use...
>
> Nice... is it a good reason ?
>
> And what about this message from : Jon Williams, Applications Engineer,
> Parallax (Tue, 4 Sep 2001)
>
> > What's next? We're porting our compiler (the portion that actually
converts
> > PBASIC source to tokens) from 80x86 assembly language to C. We will
license
> > this to developers so that native PBASIC tools for Mac, Linux and other
> > operating systems become possible. Stay tuned.
>
> Regards
> --
> JNT running on PPC G4DP/ Mac OS 9.1 /MacOSX /VPC win98
> email : jnthimonier@m... or jnt@s...
>
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