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Transistor chip

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-10-26 09:36 in General Discussion
I am trying to hook up 15 lamps that work on 24 volts with .25A
each. I know that I can use any switching transistor like the
NPN2222 or other higher currnent like the NT262. But I need a more
compact solution. Can you get a Quad-transistor IC or even more than
quad? Any creative solutions?


thanks

Al

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-24 19:17
    Try using the UL2003. Darlington array with 7 outputs.

    Sid
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 14:14
    --- In basicstamps@y..., Newzed@a... wrote:
    > Try using the UL2003. Darlington array with 7 outputs.
    >
    > Sid
    There's also one with 8 outputs but I don't remember the number.
    However, I don't think the darlington array will stand 8 x .25 = 2
    amps of continuous current. You might try the TI 994410 which has
    four outputs rated at 1 amp each. It won't really handle an amp on
    all four outputs, but it will handle 4 x .25 = 1 amp total load
    pretty easily.

    Chuck
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 14:18
    The ULN2803 has 8 outputs @ 500ma. Not bad for such a compact package.

    Original Message
    From: Chuck Davis [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=jlXZxUEVSkswHm1jpabVr7EDqLrsUMCqdOovf-Aaf2NPbthCiXazAU8KzJWLFVEf4eGxf1AzVJQl5sGe28ORgQ]cdavis@o...[/url
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    --- In basicstamps@y..., Newzed@a... wrote:
    > Try using the UL2003. Darlington array with 7 outputs.
    >
    > Sid
    There's also one with 8 outputs but I don't remember the number.
    However, I don't think the darlington array will stand 8 x .25 = 2
    amps of continuous current. You might try the TI 994410 which has
    four outputs rated at 1 amp each. It won't really handle an amp on
    all four outputs, but it will handle 4 x .25 = 1 amp total load
    pretty easily.

    Chuck


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 15:36
    If these lamps are incandescent you may wish to concern yourself with
    inrush current. If they are, measure the cold resistance of the filament
    and divide into 24 for the inrush current value, which might be as high as
    2 or 3 amps. Check this against absolute max instantaneous current ratings
    or some such specification on the solid state device.

    If you have a problem, you may be able to eliminate it by adding a resistor
    in parallel with the SS switch. The idea is for the lamp to be running
    warm, but not too visible, when the switch is off. Of course, your average
    load goes up by doing this.

    If these are LEDs you will not have a inrush issue.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 15:59
    Fred:

    I have always used a 7:1 ratio for tungsten inrush current, based on lamp
    manufacturer's data and my own tests. I like your /24 approach. From where
    is it derived?

    Chris

    >
    Original Message
    > From: Fred Davidson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=qft2TccXME6rJsaJ7cXgy3p7MNVGNmWNIqQHl9SExe6qy2EpYwzZnkhsOQIzaDOsZnbl3BPFETpOEopk2ltTa40]fdavidson@m...[/url
    > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:36 AM
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    >
    >
    > If these lamps are incandescent you may wish to concern yourself with
    > inrush current. If they are, measure the cold resistance of
    > the filament
    > and divide into 24 for the inrush current value, which might
    > be as high as
    > 2 or 3 amps. Check this against absolute max instantaneous
    > current ratings
    > or some such specification on the solid state device.
    >
    > If you have a problem, you may be able to eliminate it by
    > adding a resistor
    > in parallel with the SS switch. The idea is for the lamp to
    > be running
    > warm, but not too visible, when the switch is off. Of course,
    > your average
    > load goes up by doing this.
    >
    > If these are LEDs you will not have a inrush issue.
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 19:32
    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Dennie Bishop" <dbishop@e...> wrote:
    > The ULN2803 has 8 outputs @ 500ma. Not bad for such a compact
    package.
    >
    But check the data sheet - I'm pretty sure the output current needs
    to be de-rated depending on the number of outputs which are
    conducting simultaneously.

    Chuck

    PS, another chip I am using is the TI TPIC595 (not sure if this is
    the exact number) which is an 8 bit shift register with MOSFET power
    outputs. With only three pins and a little shifting, you can drive
    almost any number of outputs at fairly high current levels.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 19:42
    I have used 7:1 a lot myself. But it's real accurate to measure the
    cold resistance with an ohmmeter. The 24 is from the original post
    where the lamps were noted to be 24 volt lamps (or at least running at
    that voltage). Hence, 24/cold_ohms = inrush current. Sorry for the
    confusion!

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Chris Loiacono (E-mail)" <chris01@t...>
    wrote:
    > Fred:
    >
    > I have always used a 7:1 ratio for tungsten inrush current, based on
    lamp
    > manufacturer's data and my own tests. I like your /24 approach. From
    where
    > is it derived?
    >
    > Chris
    >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: Fred Davidson [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:fdavidson@m...]
    > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:36 AM
    > > To: basicstamps@y...
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Transistor chip
    > >
    > >
    > > If these lamps are incandescent you may wish to concern yourself
    with
    > > inrush current. If they are, measure the cold resistance of
    > > the filament
    > > and divide into 24 for the inrush current value, which might
    > > be as high as
    > > 2 or 3 amps. Check this against absolute max instantaneous
    > > current ratings
    > > or some such specification on the solid state device.
    > >
    > > If you have a problem, you may be able to eliminate it by
    > > adding a resistor
    > > in parallel with the SS switch. The idea is for the lamp to
    > > be running
    > > warm, but not too visible, when the switch is off. Of course,
    > > your average
    > > load goes up by doing this.
    > >
    > > If these are LEDs you will not have a inrush issue.
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 21:22
    I think I'm the one who got it confused, hence, please accept my apology.
    I missed the earlier posts and inserted foot in mouth. I've had my Dad
    hospitalized for a month now, came down with a list of "flu-like" symptoms
    myself the other day, etc... etc.., so I'm not running on all 8. (sorry,
    Gerry - that's why I haven't gotten to your ACAD sketch yet...)

    In the midst of this I am contributing on a deal that will marry two major
    name brand software packages plus adding a new plug-in along with an
    embedded project that will log resistive load currents over time for
    predictive failure analysis (I enjoy this stuff much more!), and the post
    caught my attention. Working with changing filament temperatures has proved
    to be a real challenge.
    Has anyone out there done anything like this before? have any words of
    wisdom to share?
    If so, I'll flag em and read them next week when I'm feeling better....

    Chris

    >
    Original Message
    > From: Fred Davidson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=UjyBYuHMY0uFMB_wJQwBzl1Au_cR1QzptPpnTgNpikeqWcd55VT_RVUKyI0hp0VMNZknoHzbWQ0DWEuJnw]fdavidson@m...[/url
    > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:43 PM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Transistor chip
    >
    >
    > I have used 7:1 a lot myself. But it's real accurate to measure the
    > cold resistance with an ohmmeter. The 24 is from the original post
    > where the lamps were noted to be 24 volt lamps (or at least
    > running at
    > that voltage). Hence, 24/cold_ohms = inrush current. Sorry for the
    > confusion!
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 22:38
    Al,
    Try looking at the Allegro site
    http://www.allegromicro.com/selguide/sink1.asp.htm. I think some of their
    high current devices come in packages with 8 devices (
    http://www.allegromicro.com/sf/2596/index.htm ). Look for the total package
    disipation if you plan to have multiple devices turned on at one time.
    Mike

    At 06:03 PM 10/24/2001 +0000, you wrote:
    >I am trying to hook up 15 lamps that work on 24 volts with .25A
    >each. I know that I can use any switching transistor like the
    >NPN2222 or other higher currnent like the NT262. But I need a more
    >compact solution. Can you get a Quad-transistor IC or even more than
    >quad? Any creative solutions?
    >
    >
    >thanks
    >
    >Al
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-25 22:48
    I like Fred's idea about the resistor keeping the lamps "warm" with small
    currents constantly running. The lamps would last longer this way as well.
    How about using inrush limiters? Digikey sells some of Thermometric's
    devices
    http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=84480&Cat=20710182

    Mike

    At 04:22 PM 10/25/2001 -0400, you wrote:
    >Has anyone out there done anything like this before? have any words of
    >wisdom to share?
    >If so, I'll flag em and read them next week when I'm feeling better....

    _________________________________
    Mike Walsh
    walsh@i...


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-10-26 09:36

    Original Message
    From: "Fred Davidson" <fdavidson@m...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:36 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Transistor chip


    > If you have a problem, you may be able to eliminate it by adding a resistor
    > in parallel with the SS switch. The idea is for the lamp to be running
    > warm, but not too visible, when the switch is off. Of course, your average
    > load goes up by doing this.
    >
    > If these are LEDs you will not have a inrush issue.
    >
    This solution is (was?) used to spare the switches and lamps in traffic lights
    etc.
    It allows also to monitor the health of the circuit + lamp.
    Regards
    ECO
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