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Vastly Improved Basic Stamp

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-09-11 01:27 in General Discussion
I have been a stamp and Pbasic programmer for a year now.

I came across a vastly improved "stamp", made by basicx.
It has onboard DAC, and interprets Visual Basic. Much larger program
storage area. Pin compatible with the basic stamp.

Check it out:

www.basicx.com

and Yahoo discussion group basicx

Best regards,

J. Ross

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 03:17
    Hmmm...wonder who he works for ?

    Fe.



    --- jameswross@e... wrote:
    > I have been a stamp and Pbasic programmer for a year
    > now.
    >
    > I came across a vastly improved "stamp", made by
    > basicx.
    > It has onboard DAC, and interprets Visual Basic.
    > Much larger program
    > storage area. Pin compatible with the basic stamp.
    >
    > Check it out:
    >
    > www.basicx.com
    >
    > and Yahoo discussion group basicx
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > J. Ross
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 13:33
    Why don't you ask him (be sure to use your real name and address; he
    did!)? Or is it that you insist that Parallax products be the only
    products ever mentioned here? (And just who do YOU work for?)

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "kjh k;jh" <fake_email69@y...> wrote:
    > Hmmm...wonder who he works for ?
    >
    > Fe.
    >
    >
    >
    > --- jameswross@e... wrote:
    > > I have been a stamp and Pbasic programmer for a year
    > > now.
    > >
    > > I came across a vastly improved "stamp", made by
    > > basicx.
    > > It has onboard DAC, and interprets Visual Basic.
    > > Much larger program
    > > storage area. Pin compatible with the basic stamp.
    > >
    > > Check it out:
    > >
    > > www.basicx.com
    > >
    > > and Yahoo discussion group basicx
    > >
    > > Best regards,
    > >
    > > J. Ross
    > >
    > >
    > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
    > > basicstamps-unsubscribe@y...
    > > from the same email address that you subscribed.
    > > Text in the Subject and Body of the message will be
    > > ignored.
    > >
    > >
    > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
    > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    > >
    > >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 16:18
    In a message dated 9/7/01 7:35:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
    fdavidson@m... writes:


    > Why don't you ask him (be sure to use your real name and address; he
    > did!)? Or is it that you insist that Parallax products be the only
    >

    Let's be polite. This is a Parallax BASIC Stamp list. NetMedia has their
    own list and I'm sure it would be annoying for their customers to read things
    like how much better the BS2p is than the BX-24. Or how much easier it is to
    develop Stamp code versus BX-24 code. Or how it makes no sense at all to
    cram a bloated desktop language into an embedded controller. Or how things
    that are trivial with the Stamp consume many lines of code on the BX-24. Or
    how great Parallax support is versus the virtually nonexistent support from
    NetMedia....

    In my previous job I tried to replace a BS2 with a BX-24 in a big project.
    NetMedia promised the BX-24 would do a better job. In the end, it couldn't
    do the job at all. Not even they could make the application work -- their
    dependence on VB as a programming model (again, VB was designed for desktops
    -- not embedded apps) prevented the application from being ported.

    During the course of that project I reported a repeatable bug to NetMedia.
    They said that the same bug existed in VB, so it was okay with them. It
    wasn't okay with me.

    So, I tried the BX-24. Then I went back to the Stamp. No micro is
    "perfect," but for my money, the Stamp comes closest for embedded control.

    Of course, these are just my opinions...and I formed them long before joining
    the Parallax team.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 16:48
    At 11:18 AM 9/7/01 -0400, you wrote:
    >Let's be polite. This is a Parallax BASIC Stamp list. NetMedia has their
    >own list and I'm sure it would be annoying for their customers to read things
    >like how much better the BS2p is than the BX-24.

    Let's define the boundaries of this being a Basic stamp list. I would say
    it's one thing if this mailing list was hosted by parallax- which it
    isn't. It's a mailing list for users of basic stamps. The right tool for
    the right job, guys. Just like with programming. The BS doesn't multitask
    last I checked. And some people like VB. I've used NetMedia products
    before- great product, but you're right- support is lacking. But- they do
    the best they can. (And just to fill you in- parallax wasn't always as big
    as they are now. You have to start from somewhere....)

    I love the BS. I also like the BX. I also like the rabbit-semi
    products. I don't discriminate based on brand loyalty- that's
    foolish. (for example, Ford vs. Chevy vs. Mopar) The right tool for the
    right job. The guy made a discovery he wanted to share. So what? If
    someone's non-BasicStamp post can make my life easier, then go for it. It
    increases competition in the long run.

    -Gordon
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 17:39
    Gordon Mott wrote:
    >
    > Let's define the boundaries of this being a Basic stamp list. I would say
    > it's one thing if this mailing list was hosted by parallax- which it
    > isn't. It's a mailing list for users of basic stamps. The right tool for
    > the right job, guys. Just like with programming. The BS doesn't multitask
    > last I checked. And some people like VB. I've used NetMedia products
    > before- great product, but you're right- support is lacking. But- they do
    > the best they can. (And just to fill you in- parallax wasn't always as big
    > as they are now. You have to start from somewhere....)

    A long, long time ago Parallax booted me from the Basic Stamp list for
    posting some positive comments about NetMedia's BX-24. I was restored
    only after apologizing and promising to not do it again.

    Like Gordon, I think that BasicX is great ... but I also continue to use
    the Basic Stamp.

    Regards,
    -Nick T.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 17:48
    At 11:48 09/07/01, Gordon Mott wrote:
    >At 11:18 AM 9/7/01 -0400, you wrote:
    > >Let's be polite. This is a Parallax BASIC Stamp list. NetMedia has their
    > >own list and I'm sure it would be annoying for their customers to read
    > things
    > >like how much better the BS2p is than the BX-24.
    >
    >Let's define the boundaries of this being a Basic stamp list. I would say
    >it's one thing if this mailing list was hosted by parallax- which it
    >isn't. It's a mailing list for users of basic stamps.

    Gordon, you do realize that the list was started by Parallax and that
    basicstamps-owner@yahoogroups.com is Parallax, don't you?


    Jim H
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 18:13
    Jim Higgins wrote:
    >
    > Gordon, you do realize that the list was started by Parallax and that
    > basicstamps-owner@yahoogroups.com is Parallax, don't you?

    If I were the manufacturer of a CLEARLY superior product, then I
    would welcome discussions about, and comparisons with all competitor's
    product. If, and only if, my product was not superior would I
    try to suppress these comparisons and discussions!

    Regards,
    -Nick T.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 19:04
    basicx is far from clearly superior.
    it is basically a clone without the stability.
    been there, done that
    --- Nick Taylor <ntaylor@j...> wrote:
    > Jim Higgins wrote:
    > >
    > > Gordon, you do realize that the list was started
    > by Parallax and that
    > > basicstamps-owner@yahoogroups.com is Parallax,
    > don't you?
    >
    > If I were the manufacturer of a CLEARLY superior
    > product, then I
    > would welcome discussions about, and comparisons
    > with all competitor's
    > product. If, and only if, my product was not
    > superior would I
    > try to suppress these comparisons and discussions!
    >
    > Regards,
    > -Nick T.
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 19:04
    All fine and dandy, but you don't walk into the Ford dealership and try to
    sell Chevy parts.

    Here is the description of the list, straight from Yahoo groups:

    "A forum for BASIC Stamp enthusiasts to discuss current projects and ideas
    and share knowledge between beginners and experts. This list is brought to
    you by Parallax, Inc. While occasional discussion of other products are
    acceptable, postings intended to advertise other products are unwelcome."

    Original Message

    > >Let's be polite. This is a Parallax BASIC Stamp list. NetMedia has
    their
    > >own list and I'm sure it would be annoying for their customers to read
    things
    > >like how much better the BS2p is than the BX-24.
    >
    > Let's define the boundaries of this being a Basic stamp list. I would say
    > it's one thing if this mailing list was hosted by parallax- which it
    > isn't. It's a mailing list for users of basic stamps. The right tool for
    > the right job, guys. Just like with programming. The BS doesn't
    multitask
    > last I checked. And some people like VB. I've used NetMedia products
    > before- great product, but you're right- support is lacking. But- they
    do
    > the best they can. (And just to fill you in- parallax wasn't always as
    big
    > as they are now. You have to start from somewhere....)
    >
    > I love the BS. I also like the BX. I also like the rabbit-semi
    > products. I don't discriminate based on brand loyalty- that's
    > foolish. (for example, Ford vs. Chevy vs. Mopar) The right tool for the
    > right job. The guy made a discovery he wanted to share. So what? If
    > someone's non-BasicStamp post can make my life easier, then go for it. It
    > increases competition in the long run.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 19:26
    At 01:04 PM 9/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
    >All fine and dandy, but you don't walk into the Ford dealership and try to
    >sell Chevy parts.
    >
    >Here is the description of the list, straight from Yahoo groups:
    >
    >"A forum for BASIC Stamp enthusiasts to discuss current projects and ideas
    >and share knowledge between beginners and experts. This list is brought to
    >you by Parallax, Inc. While occasional discussion of other products are
    >acceptable, postings intended to advertise other products are unwelcome."

    Which is fine. Did Netmedia come in and post that message? Not that we
    know of. The guy let us in on something he thought might help us. Why
    make a big deal about it? If you're a Parallax zealot, then hit the delete
    key.

    -Gordon
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 19:28
    Nobody said it was. The guy said if he were the manufacturer of a clearly
    superior product, he wouldn't be afraid of a little competition. Nobody
    said BasicX was superior.

    -Gordon

    At 11:04 AM 9/7/01 -0700, you wrote:
    >basicx is far from clearly superior.
    >it is basically a clone without the stability.
    >been there, done that
    >--- Nick Taylor <ntaylor@j...> wrote:
    > > Jim Higgins wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Gordon, you do realize that the list was started
    > > by Parallax and that
    > > > basicstamps-owner@yahoogroups.com is Parallax,
    > > don't you?
    > >
    > > If I were the manufacturer of a CLEARLY superior
    > > product, then I
    > > would welcome discussions about, and comparisons
    > > with all competitor's
    > > product. If, and only if, my product was not
    > > superior would I
    > > try to suppress these comparisons and discussions!
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > -Nick T.
    > >
    > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
    > > basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
    > > from the same email address that you subscribed.
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    > >
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    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 19:58
    Bravo to Jon's reply, even if it did unintentionally
    keep the topic alive. I was glad to see someone with
    experience address the issue of VB's overhead in a
    microcontroller context.

    I'd similarly like to hear about competing products
    (though not just now, as my 145 controllers using the
    BS2-P40 are starting to ship). Give me a web site and
    discussion list location, and tell me how you've
    actually are using the device, including why it was a
    better tool for a particular job. Don't come off like
    an unskilled shill and declare that you'd stumbled on
    a panacea.

    I don't expect any item to be "clearly superior" to
    all others - none are perfect, spake St. Paul and Jon
    Williams. Want faster and cheaper? Program a PIC with
    Assembler. It's all about trade-offs.

    That the BASIC Stamp seems to be the standard to
    measure against - it is an obsession in the BasicX
    discussion group - speaks volumes. It is staying in my
    toolbox. Meanwhile, I'll wait for the discussion in
    this unmoderated, open membership list to take its
    natural course and move back on topic.

    Bob Pence

    --- Nick Taylor <ntaylor@j...> wrote:
    > Jim Higgins wrote:
    > >
    > > Gordon, you do realize that the list was started
    > by Parallax and that
    > > basicstamps-owner@yahoogroups.com is Parallax,
    > don't you?
    >
    > If I were the manufacturer of a CLEARLY superior
    > product, then I
    > would welcome discussions about, and comparisons
    > with all competitor's
    > product. If, and only if, my product was not
    > superior would I
    > try to suppress these comparisons and discussions!
    >
    > Regards,
    > -Nick T.
    >
    > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
    > basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
    > from the same email address that you subscribed.
    > Text in the Subject and Body of the message will be
    > ignored.
    >
    >
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    >
    >


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 20:49
    But if someone came in and mentioned that a PIC can usually do the
    job of a stamp for a fraction of the price nobody could deny that.
    Not only that, the PIC is faster..

    however

    Parallax support is superb. Their documentation is top shelf, they
    promote their products by educating users, very nice touch. The
    windows compiler and product support offerred by Parallax makes the
    Stamp a remarkable value.

    If you ever need help getting a stamp to do something there are
    dozens of bright guys (including Parallax engineers) just waiting to
    help.

    It is almost painfully easy to get a stamp to do what you want it to
    do. That is what you pay for.

    Still, it would be nice if the stamp were a little less pricey. I
    would use WAY more of them if thay were less expensive.

    Regards
    Rich


    --- In basicstamps@y..., Pence Bob <bobpence_2000@y...> wrote:
    > Bravo to Jon's reply, even if it did unintentionally
    > keep the topic alive. I was glad to see someone with
    > experience address the issue of VB's overhead in a
    > microcontroller context.
    >
    > I'd similarly like to hear about competing products
    > (though not just now, as my 145 controllers using the
    > BS2-P40 are starting to ship). Give me a web site and
    > discussion list location, and tell me how you've
    > actually are using the device, including why it was a
    > better tool for a particular job. Don't come off like
    > an unskilled shill and declare that you'd stumbled on
    > a panacea.
    >
    > I don't expect any item to be "clearly superior" to
    > all others - none are perfect, spake St. Paul and Jon
    > Williams. Want faster and cheaper? Program a PIC with
    > Assembler. It's all about trade-offs.
    >
    > That the BASIC Stamp seems to be the standard to
    > measure against - it is an obsession in the BasicX
    > discussion group - speaks volumes. It is staying in my
    > toolbox. Meanwhile, I'll wait for the discussion in
    > this unmoderated, open membership list to take its
    > natural course and move back on topic.
    >
    > Bob Pence
    >
    > --- Nick Taylor <ntaylor@j...> wrote:
    > > Jim Higgins wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Gordon, you do realize that the list was started
    > > by Parallax and that
    > > > basicstamps-owner@y... is Parallax,
    > > don't you?
    > >
    > > If I were the manufacturer of a CLEARLY superior
    > > product, then I
    > > would welcome discussions about, and comparisons
    > > with all competitor's
    > > product. If, and only if, my product was not
    > > superior would I
    > > try to suppress these comparisons and discussions!
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > -Nick T.
    > >
    > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
    > > basicstamps-unsubscribe@y...
    > > from the same email address that you subscribed.
    > > Text in the Subject and Body of the message will be
    > > ignored.
    > >
    > >
    > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
    > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 21:07
    Sounds good.

    Many of us recognize that PICs and other brands of high-level processors
    exist and are better suited for some applications, but I've found that the
    Stamps allow me to focus on the mechanical aspect of my robots, which I feel
    is more important. I've seen too many people spend hours on PIC code to run
    a robot that physically falls apart if you look at it wrong.

    I've built 5 robots in the space of 6 months while learning the ins and outs
    of Stamps -- some of my friends who started at the same time are still
    working on their PIC code and have yet to make the robot even move under its
    own power.

    One thing I think Parallax does need to focus on is publishing information
    to attract someone totally unfamiliar with this type of processor. Once you
    get it all figured out, their documentation is super. Unfortunately, I think
    it scares off some potential customers. Perhaps something brief (2-3 pages)
    that explains what they do, what you need to hook one up, what you need to
    buy at minimum, how you can control things and where to go for additional
    information.

    If I had to rely on the preliminary stuff I read online and it catalogs, and
    what I saw on the shelf at the store, I never would have bought one.
    Fortunately, I ran across some folks using them and they explained what I
    needed to build my first robot. The rest is history.

    Original Message

    > Bravo to Jon's reply, even if it did unintentionally
    > keep the topic alive. I was glad to see someone with
    > experience address the issue of VB's overhead in a
    > microcontroller context.
    >
    > I'd similarly like to hear about competing products
    > (though not just now, as my 145 controllers using the
    > BS2-P40 are starting to ship). Give me a web site and
    > discussion list location, and tell me how you've
    > actually are using the device, including why it was a
    > better tool for a particular job. Don't come off like
    > an unskilled shill and declare that you'd stumbled on
    > a panacea.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 21:18
    Here is the first one we built, if anyone is interested.

    http://robostuff.com/dprg/bill_boyer/

    Original Message

    > Well put Rodent! I am new to this world of micro-controllers and am very
    > satisfied with the stamp. I can't imagine something being any easier.

    > > Many of us recognize that PICs and other brands of high-level processors
    > > exist and are better suited for some applications, but I've found that
    the
    > > Stamps allow me to focus on the mechanical aspect of my robots, which I
    > feel
    > > is more important. I've seen too many people spend hours on PIC code to
    > run
    > > a robot that physically falls apart if you look at it wrong.
    > >
    > > I've built 5 robots in the space of 6 months while learning the ins and
    > outs
    > > of Stamps -- some of my friends who started at the same time are still
    > > working on their PIC code and have yet to make the robot even move under
    > its
    > > own power.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 21:47
    Hi,

    just to beat the dead hourse...

    I think most on this list who have done programming with
    the BS chips find that is it so simple and that as you say,
    one gets more into perfecting than fighting the learning curve
    that some of us get complacent and think any micro is jsut
    as easy.

    As this thread has expanded, some of the people who we might
    think have well surpassed the capability of the Stamps, well,
    they are still here and still programing away.

    I am sure most advanced users have tested the variours other
    chips and come away with the realization that a little more spent
    on a chip is well worth getting the project actually working.

    I saw a recent thread where someone was estimating their time
    and it came out to like 3 cents an hour for the project.

    if your time is worth a dollar an hour, by all means go
    get a complex language, and complex chip and have at it.

    if you are like many of us, 50 bucks to get a known product
    with THOUSANDS of dollars worth of support (ie : this list)
    you quickly realize you can't beat a Stamp.

    I have a Bx and a PIC and still do prototype on the Stamp
    because I know I am troubleshooting the hardware, not
    the micro or the code.

    I have fought the demon roman gods of electricity too long,
    Shortus Circuitus has biten me too often.

    can I get 3 cents back from my nickle ?

    Dave






    --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > Sounds good.
    >
    > Many of us recognize that PICs and other brands of high-level
    processors
    > exist and are better suited for some applications, but I've found
    that the
    > Stamps allow me to focus on the mechanical aspect of my robots,
    which I feel
    > is more important. I've seen too many people spend hours on PIC
    code to run
    > a robot that physically falls apart if you look at it wrong.
    >
    > I've built 5 robots in the space of 6 months while learning the ins
    and outs
    > of Stamps -- some of my friends who started at the same time are
    still
    > working on their PIC code and have yet to make the robot even move
    under its
    > own power.
    >
    > One thing I think Parallax does need to focus on is publishing
    information
    > to attract someone totally unfamiliar with this type of processor.
    Once you
    > get it all figured out, their documentation is super.
    Unfortunately, I think
    > it scares off some potential customers. Perhaps something brief (2-
    3 pages)
    > that explains what they do, what you need to hook one up, what you
    need to
    > buy at minimum, how you can control things and where to go for
    additional
    > information.
    >
    > If I had to rely on the preliminary stuff I read online and it
    catalogs, and
    > what I saw on the shelf at the store, I never would have bought one.
    > Fortunately, I ran across some folks using them and they explained
    what I
    > needed to build my first robot. The rest is history.
    >
    >
    Original Message
    >
    > > Bravo to Jon's reply, even if it did unintentionally
    > > keep the topic alive. I was glad to see someone with
    > > experience address the issue of VB's overhead in a
    > > microcontroller context.
    > >
    > > I'd similarly like to hear about competing products
    > > (though not just now, as my 145 controllers using the
    > > BS2-P40 are starting to ship). Give me a web site and
    > > discussion list location, and tell me how you've
    > > actually are using the device, including why it was a
    > > better tool for a particular job. Don't come off like
    > > an unskilled shill and declare that you'd stumbled on
    > > a panacea.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 23:13
    And, for those of you who don't know, This Jon Williams knows the
    Basic Stamp better than the Post Office knows theirs!

    Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it. . .

    Doug

    On 7 Sep 2001, at 11:18, jonwms@a... wrote:

    > In a message dated 9/7/01 7:35:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
    > fdavidson@m... writes:
    >
    >
    > > Why don't you ask him (be sure to use your real name and address; he
    > > did!)? Or is it that you insist that Parallax products be the only
    > >
    >
    > Let's be polite. This is a Parallax BASIC Stamp list. NetMedia has
    > their own list and I'm sure it would be annoying for their customers
    > to read things like how much better the BS2p is than the BX-24. Or
    > how much easier it is to develop Stamp code versus BX-24 code. Or how
    > it makes no sense at all to cram a bloated desktop language into an
    > embedded controller. Or how things that are trivial with the Stamp
    > consume many lines of code on the BX-24. Or how great Parallax
    > support is versus the virtually nonexistent support from NetMedia....
    >
    > In my previous job I tried to replace a BS2 with a BX-24 in a big
    > project. NetMedia promised the BX-24 would do a better job. In the
    > end, it couldn't do the job at all. Not even they could make the
    > application work -- their dependence on VB as a programming model
    > (again, VB was designed for desktops -- not embedded apps) prevented
    > the application from being ported.
    >
    > During the course of that project I reported a repeatable bug to
    > NetMedia. They said that the same bug existed in VB, so it was okay
    > with them. It wasn't okay with me.
    >
    > So, I tried the BX-24. Then I went back to the Stamp. No micro is
    > "perfect," but for my money, the Stamp comes closest for embedded
    > control.
    >
    > Of course, these are just my opinions...and I formed them long before
    > joining the Parallax team.
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 23:17
    Well put Rodent! I am new to this world of micro-controllers and am very
    satisfied with the stamp. I can't imagine something being any easier.


    Original Message
    From: Rodent <daweasel@s...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:07 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Vastly Improved Basic Stamp


    > Sounds good.
    >
    > Many of us recognize that PICs and other brands of high-level processors
    > exist and are better suited for some applications, but I've found that the
    > Stamps allow me to focus on the mechanical aspect of my robots, which I
    feel
    > is more important. I've seen too many people spend hours on PIC code to
    run
    > a robot that physically falls apart if you look at it wrong.
    >
    > I've built 5 robots in the space of 6 months while learning the ins and
    outs
    > of Stamps -- some of my friends who started at the same time are still
    > working on their PIC code and have yet to make the robot even move under
    its
    > own power.
    >
    > One thing I think Parallax does need to focus on is publishing information
    > to attract someone totally unfamiliar with this type of processor. Once
    you
    > get it all figured out, their documentation is super. Unfortunately, I
    think
    > it scares off some potential customers. Perhaps something brief (2-3
    pages)
    > that explains what they do, what you need to hook one up, what you need to
    > buy at minimum, how you can control things and where to go for additional
    > information.
    >
    > If I had to rely on the preliminary stuff I read online and it catalogs,
    and
    > what I saw on the shelf at the store, I never would have bought one.
    > Fortunately, I ran across some folks using them and they explained what I
    > needed to build my first robot. The rest is history.
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-07 23:23
    ...and its even better if you live near him.

    Original Message

    > And, for those of you who don't know, This Jon Williams knows the
    > Basic Stamp better than the Post Office knows theirs!
    >
    > Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it. . .
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-08 00:17
    Just another testimonial...

    I have been a stamp user for the last five or so years. After reading about
    all the great advantages the BX offers I bought one. I took me hours and
    hours to get it to do a fairly simple routine that the BS does in one of my
    application. (I am fairly well verse in VB.) I never could get the thing to
    multi-task! There is almost zero support from the user group!

    Just my opinion!
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-08 01:24
    I've used the stamp products from its humble beginnings, but recently
    I purchased a rabbitcore, tempted by interrupts and multi-tasking,
    after raising the question on this group.
    I found the learning curve was too steep for the time I had available
    for the project, and after 3 weeks I converted to the BS2p-40 which
    IS expensive and on the face of it doesn't offer the facilities of
    other devices, but it is simple to get to grips with and with support
    on this group from the likes of Jon Williams, Tracy Allen and Rodent,
    virtually any problem can be sorted.
    I'm about to convert to the BS2p-40 chipset which will cut the cost
    of using the device from over $110 to about $30. Let's keep hearing
    how good other devices are, and look forward to seeing Parallax's
    response in the next generation of Stamp! ... more variable space,
    improved interrupt handling (jump to routine within same program
    slot), the ability to do things in a IF..THEN instead to going to a
    different routine, more I/O, faster operation etc. OR am I just
    being greedy?

    Thanks to everyone who has given me support over the last few
    months... keep up the good work

    Jon
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-08 05:16
    In a message dated 9/7/01 7:26:00 PM Central Daylight Time, jonm@p...
    writes:


    > and look forward to seeing Parallax's
    >

    Trust me...you'll be very happy. I get goofy every time I go into the lab
    and see it working.


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-08 22:50
    I have an idea for a new _REAL_ parallax BASIC Stamp. I'll probably
    submit it to Parallax later on. It wouldn't have as many pins as
    the BS2, but it would probably have at least 12 I/O pins and be
    smaller than the BS1, and about 20x as fast. The memory controller
    I designed is based on a similar chip (but larger and with more
    pins/less speed). Another memory controller I designed uses a
    smaller chip, but I haven't written any code for it yet because I've
    been busy with the first design.

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Jim Wolff" <wolff@s...> wrote:
    > Just another testimonial...
    >
    > I have been a stamp user for the last five or so years. After
    reading about
    > all the great advantages the BX offers I bought one. I took me
    hours and
    > hours to get it to do a fairly simple routine that the BS does in
    one of my
    > application. (I am fairly well verse in VB.) I never could get the
    thing to
    > multi-task! There is almost zero support from the user group!
    >
    > Just my opinion!
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-09-11 01:27
    I use this email address because I can check it
    anywhere. Since Yahoo has so many users finding one
    with any understandable spelling is about impossible.
    I too have seen many Stamp Clones and none have work
    exactly the way there advertised. Since this is a
    yahoo group I'm all for other products. So show me
    something better and I'm in.

    The command set on the Stamp is great, the software is
    easy to use. The hardware however is very limited and
    based on very very old PICmicro MCU. Then we have the
    SX based on the same old hardware, yes its faster
    running MCU, but for the way the stamp's internal
    tokens work there are no real speed benefits since
    your limited to a 400khz I2C eeprom.

    I use both software based compilers and the stamp.
    I've tried all the clones and the learning curve was
    to high or it didn't work as expected. I'm willing to
    try most stuff once. Heck I'll even try that ATOM
    clone once they ship.

    Matt Callan

    --- fdavidson@m... wrote:
    > Why don't you ask him (be sure to use your real name
    > and address; he
    > did!)? Or is it that you insist that Parallax
    > products be the only
    > products ever mentioned here? (And just who do YOU
    > work for?)
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., "kjh k;jh"
    > <fake_email69@y...> wrote:
    > > Hmmm...wonder who he works for ?
    > >
    > > Fe.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --- jameswross@e... wrote:
    > > > I have been a stamp and Pbasic programmer for a
    > year
    > > > now.
    > > >
    > > > I came across a vastly improved "stamp", made by
    > > > basicx.
    > > > It has onboard DAC, and interprets Visual Basic.
    > > > Much larger program
    > > > storage area. Pin compatible with the basic
    > stamp.
    > > >
    > > > Check it out:
    > > >
    > > > www.basicx.com
    > > >
    > > > and Yahoo discussion group basicx
    > > >
    > > > Best regards,
    > > >
    > > > J. Ross
    > > >
    > > >
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