RS 232-Dimmer
Archiver
Posts: 46,084
Hi all,
I have got a new question you might help me with:
I want to use the stamp to control ten lightbulbs (3000 VA), I want to be
able to dim the lights by sending a RS232 or a pulsout signal or anything
like that. Does anyone know if a device like this is available or how to
build it?
Thanx for help,
Uli
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I have got a new question you might help me with:
I want to use the stamp to control ten lightbulbs (3000 VA), I want to be
able to dim the lights by sending a RS232 or a pulsout signal or anything
like that. Does anyone know if a device like this is available or how to
build it?
Thanx for help,
Uli
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Comments
Sounds like a perfect job for the stamp's X10OUT command.
This lets you turn lights on and off or dimm them.
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: ulibasic [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=7KOeDTa4BBDzoWGQBZ8wp-IuapNy66Rju7VjfsDh6nZKF6SKLiqz90ObCo_I3hYwwg6t8LeWtBhdnJdPRpPT_LMkPce3TI6JOA]ulibasic@r...[/url
Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2001 15:02
Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
Hi all,
I have got a new question you might help me with:
I want to use the stamp to control ten lightbulbs (3000 VA), I want to be
able to dim the lights by sending a RS232 or a pulsout signal or anything
like that. Does anyone know if a device like this is available or how to
build it?
Thanx for help,
Uli
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the Subject and
Body of the message will be ignored.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
There is a flavor of BS2 that outputs X-10 codes...
--- In basicstamps@y..., "ulibasic" <ulibasic@r...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have got a new question you might help me with:
>
> I want to use the stamp to control ten lightbulbs (3000 VA), I want
to be
> able to dim the lights by sending a RS232 or a pulsout signal or
anything
> like that. Does anyone know if a device like this is available or
how to
> build it?
>
> Thanx for help,
>
> Uli
>
>
> [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
developed with the help of the BS2 for single and three-phase phase-angle
power control of resistive and inductive loads. These boards provide the
full dimming range on a true linear power scale from zero to 100% and can be
controlled by several input types, including a serial input from a Stamp
serout command, whether hard wired or transmitted via wireless. Nearly any
type of SCR's or Triacs can be fired by these boards, so controlling loads
from 50W to >50kW can be done easily. Optical isolation protects the digital
end from the AC input and output to 1600V. There is no filament flicker, and
lamp life is extended by several of the control features. There are a number
of auto-detect and set features, including the power line frequency (ie: 50
or 60 Hz); and soft start; running current limiting & monitoring with error
reporting; optional LCD display, etc...The single phase board seems to fit
your application, and despite all the bells and whistles is still quite
affordable. I have done hundreds of hours of testing on multiple units, but
I am anxious to get some feedback from the field. Let me know off-list if
you are interested in being a Beta site user, and I will see if I can make
it happen. This typically involves reduced pricing in exchange for a NC/ND
agreement and feedback.
Chris
>
Original Message
> From: iceninevt@y... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=35Bgs14ZvHsqDAZENIvm8AXvfqlKYZhK4aGr_kq9RoMZCWbCkat3HMc8TZLx45hVVkufDuV1bxVQO04]iceninevt@y...[/url
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:20 AM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> Hi
>
> There is a flavor of BS2 that outputs X-10 codes...
>
> --- In basicstamps@y..., "ulibasic" <ulibasic@r...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have got a new question you might help me with:
> >
> > I want to use the stamp to control ten lightbulbs (3000 VA), I want
> to be
> > able to dim the lights by sending a RS232 or a pulsout signal or
> anything
> > like that. Does anyone know if a device like this is available or
> how to
> > build it?
> >
> > Thanx for help,
> >
> > Uli
> >
> >
> > [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the
> Subject and Body of the message will be ignored.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Check the BS manual. It contains all info. You require a mains power
interface (uses 2 BS lines) and of course
special X10 dimmers, which are widely available.
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: ulibasic [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=SkLH163t9AWJ88vEMI8_2hofLymN79PWK7EFzOXvy7RXwvj72KsbEhOz55zJ4gDnmspYBgV0oEuOPj4p4XLg_f-M9vd8ObX29w]ulibasic@r...[/url
Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2001 17:30
Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: AW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
Hi Peter,
how exactly do I use the X10? Do I just apply a special X10 Dimmer? What
else must I know?
Thanx, Uli
Urspr
Try the dutch website http://www.marmitek.nl
It offers a german language version.
Here you will find a very large number of X10 products.
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: ulibasic [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=e9e1elFq0TrXj2DFCfRTbBd0ToAF7AvXnOFPtNmdYs77WTAfC2AVSwdEKyiaGfPMEowXq2ka43VaTJf74ORESraXS04u-G2A-DMTfA]ulibasic@r...[/url
Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2001 18:11
Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: AW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
Thanx Peter,
X10 is very new to me since it never found its way to germany for security
reasons I guess (germans are paranoid creatures)but I will find a way.
Have a nice day,
Uli
Urspr
Original Message
> From: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=w-yqy9omTcblxIMqohVhdBcuhAaz4V-tFleAQuvfWgn0NuQZCpMqsOXkBGYZt7BCjSuZGd-T49k]chris@m...[/url
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:24 PM
> To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> The X-10 solution sounds easy and inexpensive, but here's
> what I found when looking into this some time ago...
>
> X-10's lamp modules have only 7 "steps" of dimming
> resolution, must be operated in progressively increasing or
> decreasing sequence both up and downward, and are about as
> reliable as you would expect a household product to be (I use
> a bunch of them in my home). They are rated at 300W
> incandescent per unit. They use tiny Triacs, which run hotter
> than SCR's and are more prone to short-circuit failures.
> Power line noise often mucks up the x-10 code causing them to
> lock in a condition which can't be turned on or off unless
> power is removed. In order to use them without patent
> infringement, an X-10 powerline controller must be purchased
> to send your control command through the powerline. The
> controller must be on the same AC line as the device being
> controlled. All of these x-10 modules are plug-in types or
> wall warts that often get in the way or don't always stay
> plugged in. They are only available 9to my limited knowledge)
> in 115V configuration, and when I last inquired of x-10,
> there were no industrial versions available.
>
> So, finger math says approximately $15 USD per 300W and $30
> USD per powerline controller says that with shipping on a
> slow boat, $200 will get you 3000W of consumer-quality 7 step
> lamp dimming. Don't forget about space for all 11 wall warts.
>
> As I said, I use them at home, and since they work as
> expected 9 of 10 times, they're great for dimming the bedroom
> lamp without getting up. I was steered away from industrial
> or commercial application of x-10, these are just some of the
> reasons why.
>
> Chris
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: Peter Verkaik [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=QcFuhDs70h_lbkkBUvVKvwvBtOmFMis0avuasOQ9X_SL0ooY8SPycJ18_CDt_x7rQ_R-uhVb_uofX5JzI19jDjZX]peterverkaik@b...[/url
> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:19 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> >
> > Hi Uli,
> >
> > Try the dutch website http://www.marmitek.nl
> > It offers a german language version.
> > Here you will find a very large number of X10 products.
> >
> > Greetings peter
> >
> >
> >
Oorspronkelijk bericht
> > Van: ulibasic [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=wyDTtW2p5GSwfsF9pFkWsrPZTAfV2qVv5FaLzYstYbBnOJtq0s3AX7M3XUrHvPpdqwddbF-sxIcYJNprv1dNty0yspZcad2A804]ulibasic@r...[/url
> > Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2001 18:11
> > Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Onderwerp: AW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> > Thanx Peter,
> >
> > X10 is very new to me since it never found its way to germany
> > for security
> > reasons I guess (germans are paranoid creatures)but I will
> find a way.
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> >
> > Uli
> >
> >
> >
> >
Urspr
The devices presented on the dutch website are for the european market, i.e.
230VAC/50Hz
There are built-in dimmer replacements that can handle up to 500W. There are
even DIN rail modules.
There really has been a boost in available X10 modules the last two years.
Personally I do not
use X10 but if it works as the PC control program 'Home Control Assistant'
promises it really is
worth looking into. Even camera control is available now, although that is
not really supported
by the stamp X10 command, I think.
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=onS2M8yPLydoRkZptbP9dmDpx9eP9_QFXETQrAk0HImF3fxBNKTGY1QTZxdZ9X9iTUNDwPo4GWU]chris@m...[/urlNamens Chris Loiacono
(E-mail)
Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2001 21:29
Aan: Basicstamps Egroup (E-mail)
Onderwerp: FW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
Original Message
> From: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=onS2M8yPLydoRkZptbP9dmDpx9eP9_QFXETQrAk0HImF3fxBNKTGY1QTZxdZ9X9iTUNDwPo4GWU]chris@m...[/url
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:24 PM
> To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> The X-10 solution sounds easy and inexpensive, but here's
> what I found when looking into this some time ago...
>
> X-10's lamp modules have only 7 "steps" of dimming
> resolution, must be operated in progressively increasing or
> decreasing sequence both up and downward, and are about as
> reliable as you would expect a household product to be (I use
> a bunch of them in my home). They are rated at 300W
> incandescent per unit. They use tiny Triacs, which run hotter
> than SCR's and are more prone to short-circuit failures.
> Power line noise often mucks up the x-10 code causing them to
> lock in a condition which can't be turned on or off unless
> power is removed. In order to use them without patent
> infringement, an X-10 powerline controller must be purchased
> to send your control command through the powerline. The
> controller must be on the same AC line as the device being
> controlled. All of these x-10 modules are plug-in types or
> wall warts that often get in the way or don't always stay
> plugged in. They are only available 9to my limited knowledge)
> in 115V configuration, and when I last inquired of x-10,
> there were no industrial versions available.
>
> So, finger math says approximately $15 USD per 300W and $30
> USD per powerline controller says that with shipping on a
> slow boat, $200 will get you 3000W of consumer-quality 7 step
> lamp dimming. Don't forget about space for all 11 wall warts.
>
> As I said, I use them at home, and since they work as
> expected 9 of 10 times, they're great for dimming the bedroom
> lamp without getting up. I was steered away from industrial
> or commercial application of x-10, these are just some of the
> reasons why.
>
> Chris
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: Peter Verkaik [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=uCum5aGQxDST9MSdLhHgoT907R5rSnIZqqatBxLJu7R088gFZ3z55MUvS5g-FNTdttd69EmwaFryOiEuZphDxNnU]peterverkaik@b...[/url
> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:19 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> >
> > Hi Uli,
> >
> > Try the dutch website http://www.marmitek.nl
> > It offers a german language version.
> > Here you will find a very large number of X10 products.
> >
> > Greetings peter
> >
> >
> >
Oorspronkelijk bericht
> > Van: ulibasic [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=56ApS0XMboQehqGQbEBQ9vpJtDHkaqGC90izP0vi_a-Vp9wyPo8X1uT8YkH39K0drYwXDDHOy8UyPCmy5d221uyPrZsGWpE_46s]ulibasic@r...[/url
> > Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2001 18:11
> > Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Onderwerp: AW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> > Thanx Peter,
> >
> > X10 is very new to me since it never found its way to germany
> > for security
> > reasons I guess (germans are paranoid creatures)but I will
> find a way.
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> >
> > Uli
> >
> >
> >
> >
Urspr
Original Message
> From: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=PrO0Ptl5FB2EFCb_EWqmKhB65pJ3LJMSXRYgSVXTSirSL9qzYoF2a3HC2jnAiyAUKzKpCm7n3Ys]chris@m...[/url
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:45 PM
> To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> A good upgdate, much appreciated.
> The X-10 camera's are great. At times they are sold at prices
> lower than stripped camera boards without transmitters. I
> have used Stamps to control my own pan & tilt units for these
> cams. I used the x-10 commands to turn the camera power on
> and off. I'm working on one now that points the camera at
> whoever approaches by combining motion detectors and sound. I
> expect to get beyond the capability of the stamp soon with
> the detection logic and the motion control. The Audio sensing
> is proving to be more tricky than the fuzzy logic for the
> motion control.
>
> It makes more sense that European products would be more
> robust - there are real safety standards in place in most
> European countries, and there seems to be more appreciation
> for quality.
>
> There are also a number of US companies that avoided x-10's
> patent hassles by developing their own control scheme that
> won't function with the stamp commands. I believe more of
> these are into commercial products.
>
> BTW, It seems from what I know of the x-10 protocol that a 50
> Hz unit should still function on 60Hz as long as the same bit
> per 1/2 cycle scheme is followed. Has anyone tried this?
> Chris
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: Peter Verkaik [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=P4EkTLX9eH_4g8DJ9x2IlgtPpb8IJlxC9cpupuX0CMqhl6gZhXLhXJIaThNfr0YISZiJM_O5rxS_WwY8LLccazU]peterverkaik@b...[/url
> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:19 PM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The devices presented on the dutch website are for the
> > european market, i.e.
> > 230VAC/50Hz
> > There are built-in dimmer replacements that can handle up to
> > 500W. There are
> > even DIN rail modules.
> > There really has been a boost in available X10 modules the
> > last two years.
> > Personally I do not
> > use X10 but if it works as the PC control program 'Home
> > Control Assistant'
> > promises it really is
> > worth looking into. Even camera control is available now,
> > although that is
> > not really supported
> > by the stamp X10 command, I think.
> >
> > Greetings peter
> >
> >
Oorspronkelijk bericht
> > Van: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=PrO0Ptl5FB2EFCb_EWqmKhB65pJ3LJMSXRYgSVXTSirSL9qzYoF2a3HC2jnAiyAUKzKpCm7n3Ys]chris@m...[/urlNamens Chris Loiacono
> > (E-mail)
> > Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2001 21:29
> > Aan: Basicstamps Egroup (E-mail)
> > Onderwerp: FW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> >
>
--- In basicstamps@y..., "ulibasic" <ulibasic@r...> wrote:
> Thanx Peter,
>
> X10 is very new to me since it never found its way to germany for
security
> reasons I guess (germans are paranoid creatures)but I will find a
way.
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Uli
>
>
>
>
Urspr
You should really check out this website
http://www.equator.ac.uk/devices/x10/index2.html
It provides info on both US and UK X10 devices. Links are provided to some
technical
details and there is info on how to make your own X10 devices. Full program
listings!!!
Question: could the dimmer functions be used for pan/tilt/zoom if you were
to create your own device?
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=yDXIjQrtSPbo74dG4Xm6agOX8aEgua5lh-s6OegOoPmtLCdgE_NtkfzJwZ--oLK3dXhbPUn0xkJfMg]chris@m...[/urlNamens Chris Loiacono
(E-mail)
Verzonden: vrijdag 10 augustus 2001 02:17
Aan: Basicstamps Egroup (E-mail)
Onderwerp: FW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
Original Message
> From: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=yDXIjQrtSPbo74dG4Xm6agOX8aEgua5lh-s6OegOoPmtLCdgE_NtkfzJwZ--oLK3dXhbPUn0xkJfMg]chris@m...[/url
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:45 PM
> To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> A good upgdate, much appreciated.
> The X-10 camera's are great. At times they are sold at prices
> lower than stripped camera boards without transmitters. I
> have used Stamps to control my own pan & tilt units for these
> cams. I used the x-10 commands to turn the camera power on
> and off. I'm working on one now that points the camera at
> whoever approaches by combining motion detectors and sound. I
> expect to get beyond the capability of the stamp soon with
> the detection logic and the motion control. The Audio sensing
> is proving to be more tricky than the fuzzy logic for the
> motion control.
>
> It makes more sense that European products would be more
> robust - there are real safety standards in place in most
> European countries, and there seems to be more appreciation
> for quality.
>
> There are also a number of US companies that avoided x-10's
> patent hassles by developing their own control scheme that
> won't function with the stamp commands. I believe more of
> these are into commercial products.
>
> BTW, It seems from what I know of the x-10 protocol that a 50
> Hz unit should still function on 60Hz as long as the same bit
> per 1/2 cycle scheme is followed. Has anyone tried this?
> Chris
If you feel comfortable with PIC's I can send you some code that does what
you want - it only does one channel tho'. It accepts RS232 @2400 or 9600
baud and fires a triac thru an optocoupler. It also make the phase angle vs
power-curve linear (well perhaps not perfect but...)
Well this isn't the Pic-list so I guess it's better to move it off-list if
interested!
/Henrik Olsson. Sweden.
henrik-olsson@t...
Original Message
> Hi all,
>
> I have got a new question you might help me with:
>
> I want to use the stamp to control ten lightbulbs (3000 VA), I want to be
> able to dim the lights by sending a RS232 or a pulsout signal or anything
> like that. Does anyone know if a device like this is available or how to
> build it?
>
> Thanx for help,
>
> Uli
gate pulses to SCR's at precise points in the AC cycles. I don't see how it
could be used for motion control...
Chris
>
Original Message
> From: Peter Verkaik [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=CPlfKDqHKGA4AHzinuJLJcHx9PooW10pc0DJja754Pepr_0pDUIYVCZDSlz6B1qRKpMMasD1SUyN6LAXqzg0QZz918TZ]peterverkaik@b...[/url
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:22 AM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You should really check out this website
> http://www.equator.ac.uk/devices/x10/index2.html
> It provides info on both US and UK X10 devices. Links are
> provided to some
> technical
> details and there is info on how to make your own X10
> devices. Full program
> listings!!!
>
> Question: could the dimmer functions be used for
> pan/tilt/zoom if you were
> to create your own device?
>
> Greetings peter
>
>
>
Oorspronkelijk bericht
> Van: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=xLZNXa0-FDHLCEOMeMFuPJEy7Dp0svY8NYXElOlSwy4_9-7OVbFmJTewv71yt_JWBlhkk1sSqViuD8w]chris@m...[/urlNamens Chris Loiacono
> (E-mail)
> Verzonden: vrijdag 10 augustus 2001 02:17
> Aan: Basicstamps Egroup (E-mail)
> Onderwerp: FW: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=xLZNXa0-FDHLCEOMeMFuPJEy7Dp0svY8NYXElOlSwy4_9-7OVbFmJTewv71yt_JWBlhkk1sSqViuD8w]chris@m...[/url
> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:45 PM
> > To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> >
> > A good upgdate, much appreciated.
> > The X-10 camera's are great. At times they are sold at prices
> > lower than stripped camera boards without transmitters. I
> > have used Stamps to control my own pan & tilt units for these
> > cams. I used the x-10 commands to turn the camera power on
> > and off. I'm working on one now that points the camera at
> > whoever approaches by combining motion detectors and sound. I
> > expect to get beyond the capability of the stamp soon with
> > the detection logic and the motion control. The Audio sensing
> > is proving to be more tricky than the fuzzy logic for the
> > motion control.
> >
> > It makes more sense that European products would be more
> > robust - there are real safety standards in place in most
> > European countries, and there seems to be more appreciation
> > for quality.
> >
> > There are also a number of US companies that avoided x-10's
> > patent hassles by developing their own control scheme that
> > won't function with the stamp commands. I believe more of
> > these are into commercial products.
> >
> > BTW, It seems from what I know of the x-10 protocol that a 50
> > Hz unit should still function on 60Hz as long as the same bit
> > per 1/2 cycle scheme is followed. Has anyone tried this?
> > Chris
>
>
>
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the
> Subject and Body of the message will be ignored.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
What I was thinking of is this:
If I were to program a PIC to act as an X10 receiver as described by the
info on the website
mentioned in my previous message, couldn't I rewrite that PIC program to
accept consecutive
X10 commands as a single command? For example:
UNITON, UNITON for power unit on (option: also LIGHTSON)
UNITOFF, UNITOFF for power unit off (option: also UNITSOFF)
DIM, UNITON, for parameter 1 (i.e. PAN)
DIM, UNITOFF, for parameter 2 (i.e. TILT)
BRIGHT, UNITON, for parameter 3 (i.e. ZOOM)
BRIGHT, UNITOFF, for parameter 4 (i.e. NIGHTVISION)
DIM, DIM for parameter minus (i.e. PAN-, TILT-, ZOOM -, NIGHTVISIONOFF)
BRIGHT, BRIGHT for parameter plus (I.e. PAN+, TILT+, ZOOM+, NIGHTVISIONON)
UNITOFF for stopping PAN/TILT/ZOOM/NIGHTVISION command
UNITON for starting PAN/TILT/ZOOM/NIGHTVISION command
consecutibe commands should occur within a certain timeperiod of each other
to be valid
This way I could really control camera's from the stamp.
What do you think? Would something be possible or would the automatic
repetition of commands
(each command is transmitted three times I believe) or missing a command
make it impossible?
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=F3I3lihqLC4O8DNyW-4Zz60r3li9NssthY6c86Nt79PvoWjwKUQfBaH_pHpYlVUzh2vbZHSJhPHiYu9V]chris@m...[/urlNamens Chris Loiacono
(E-mail)
Verzonden: zaterdag 11 augustus 2001 03:18
Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
My pan & tilt uses a stamp to control servo position. The dimmer times the
gate pulses to SCR's at precise points in the AC cycles. I don't see how it
could be used for motion control...
Chris
>
Original Message
> From: Peter Verkaik [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=qy6A1Sk2Q-yFmCC342fZLOjLYO1yMRLMLugQnJZs5y-4orR2uT4g0bSo9CAXV4oP1xViFcwiPsiG8sK-KCvyO29O]peterverkaik@b...[/url
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:22 AM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You should really check out this website
> http://www.equator.ac.uk/devices/x10/index2.html
> It provides info on both US and UK X10 devices. Links are
> provided to some
> technical
> details and there is info on how to make your own X10
> devices. Full program
> listings!!!
>
> Question: could the dimmer functions be used for
> pan/tilt/zoom if you were
> to create your own device?
>
> Greetings peter
a BS1 as a controller? If the camera is not too big, hobby servos would work
fine.
Original Message
> What I was thinking of is this:
> If I were to program a PIC to act as an X10 receiver as described by the
> info on the website
> mentioned in my previous message, couldn't I rewrite that PIC program to
> accept consecutive
> X10 commands as a single command? For example:
> This way I could really control camera's from the stamp.
> What do you think? Would something be possible or would the automatic
> repetition of commands
> (each command is transmitted three times I believe) or missing a command
> make it impossible?
I once had to install a camera inside a building and hat camera was about a
100 meters
from the montor. RF (2,4GHz that is, no license required) just doesn't work
at these distances.
X10 might. So I am curious if it could be done. Besides, cameracontrol is
not the
only thing you could control.
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: Rodent [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=tlbl2p-IeTD1-83kMxJmnmFsXgnoGv-S7Gxg1tGBve_IlRZikZ5ivJJ8DeZcgTpmRSWRvWoQjup3E9U]daweasel@s...[/url
Verzonden: zaterdag 11 augustus 2001 07:29
Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
Why not use one of those RF transmitter / receiver things from Reynolds and
a BS1 as a controller? If the camera is not too big, hobby servos would work
fine.
Original Message
> What I was thinking of is this:
> If I were to program a PIC to act as an X10 receiver as described by the
> info on the website
> mentioned in my previous message, couldn't I rewrite that PIC program to
> accept consecutive
> X10 commands as a single command? For example:
> This way I could really control camera's from the stamp.
> What do you think? Would something be possible or would the automatic
> repetition of commands
> (each command is transmitted three times I believe) or missing a command
> make it impossible?
To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the Subject and
Body of the message will be ignored.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Now I get it. Sure, your idea should work. There is an extended X-10 command
set that can be used also, which I think is preferred to the unit on & off
command, or did you mean the "all lights on" or "all lights off" commands?
In either case, the extended commands would let you avoid potential
conflicts.
An X-10 'Two-way Power Line Interface' would be needed at the receiving end,
and an X-10 Power Line Interface (one-way) to send the commands. I once did
almost the same thing and found that each wireless camera now required two
wall warts, which was a bit awkward.
Since then, I have though that RF was the answer to this, even to the extent
of ordering the modules and chips, but I have put it aside for other
projects. I suppose your range may be more than one would hope to get out of
a small RF set, so X-10 may be the only reasonable way to go. I just found
the wall-warts' lack of cosmetic appeal as an excuse to go farther, but I
did have the system running on X-10 Powerline commands for a while. I
changed direction a bit, and now have a panning motion detector into a fuzzy
routine that points the camera at a person or vehicle entering the protected
zone. I still use the X-10 commands to turn the camera on or off. With the
remote control scheme however, I found the only way to avoid the Patent
issues (purchasing X-10's wall warts) was to create a set of sequential
camera positions and use the Stamp's EPROM to store the previous position. A
single command, or even only powering up & down the camera can be used to
move the camera from one position to the next, but you can't have it skip
around, it only moves from position to position sequentially. This has a
Stamp life-expectancy issue attached however. If I had continued, I would
have migrated the project over to a PIC 16 or 18. If you choose to comply
with X-10's Patents, you should be able to use their command set from the
stamp to transmit. I believe that means putting the code onto the power line
and retrieving it with X-10's parts. Does anyone know if the Stamp supports
the extended X-10 commands?
And, BTW, out-of the box hobby servo's will handle a fair sized camera, or
whatever - with standard size servos having about 60 in/oz of torque or so.
They move x-10 cameras without even feeling the weight.
Chris
>
Original Message
> From: Peter Verkaik [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Nxwhg_9kqfnnaoh18aSpJi0I_rWN37yoinD3lAfm-CqySPFMBNZgi35hNI3TfarZGT6fmqO6LeEC1H7hLN1wM7kyxw]peterverkaik@b...[/url
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 1:26 AM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
>
> Hi,
>
> What I was thinking of is this:
> If I were to program a PIC to act as an X10 receiver as
> described by the
> info on the website
> mentioned in my previous message, couldn't I rewrite that PIC
> program to
> accept consecutive
> X10 commands as a single command? For example:
>
> UNITON, UNITON for power unit on (option: also LIGHTSON)
> UNITOFF, UNITOFF for power unit off (option: also UNITSOFF)
> DIM, UNITON, for parameter 1 (i.e. PAN)
> DIM, UNITOFF, for parameter 2 (i.e. TILT)
> BRIGHT, UNITON, for parameter 3 (i.e. ZOOM)
> BRIGHT, UNITOFF, for parameter 4 (i.e. NIGHTVISION)
> DIM, DIM for parameter minus (i.e. PAN-, TILT-, ZOOM -,
> NIGHTVISIONOFF)
> BRIGHT, BRIGHT for parameter plus (I.e. PAN+, TILT+, ZOOM+,
> NIGHTVISIONON)
> UNITOFF for stopping PAN/TILT/ZOOM/NIGHTVISION command
> UNITON for starting PAN/TILT/ZOOM/NIGHTVISION command
> consecutibe commands should occur within a certain timeperiod
> of each other
> to be valid
>
> This way I could really control camera's from the stamp.
> What do you think? Would something be possible or would the automatic
> repetition of commands
> (each command is transmitted three times I believe) or
> missing a command
> make it impossible?
>
> Greetings peter
>
>
>
Oorspronkelijk bericht
> Van: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=9SSg0SrUIzhOrFewD-F0BJbVEKlIOQzP4_vCZx1p2gqFd5Q87r8OTnhhAe4MYEaqa1E_jdESmNcBNg]chris@m...[/urlNamens Chris Loiacono
> (E-mail)
> Verzonden: zaterdag 11 augustus 2001 03:18
> Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
>
> My pan & tilt uses a stamp to control servo position. The
> dimmer times the
> gate pulses to SCR's at precise points in the AC cycles. I
> don't see how it
> could be used for motion control...
>
> Chris
>
> >
Original Message
> > From: Peter Verkaik [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Nxwhg_9kqfnnaoh18aSpJi0I_rWN37yoinD3lAfm-CqySPFMBNZgi35hNI3TfarZGT6fmqO6LeEC1H7hLN1wM7kyxw]peterverkaik@b...[/url
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:22 AM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > You should really check out this website
> > http://www.equator.ac.uk/devices/x10/index2.html
> > It provides info on both US and UK X10 devices. Links are
> > provided to some
> > technical
> > details and there is info on how to make your own X10
> > devices. Full program
> > listings!!!
> >
> > Question: could the dimmer functions be used for
> > pan/tilt/zoom if you were
> > to create your own device?
> >
> > Greetings peter
>
>
>
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
> basicstamps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> from the same email address that you subscribed. Text in the
> Subject and Body of the message will be ignored.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
The stamp does not support the extended code. Only the six commands I used
are available. I presented the
idea to somewhat extend the stamp capabilities regarding X10. It can however
only be used in combination
with a specially programmed X10 receiver that treats X10 commands as part of
a custom command.
The PIC described on the earlier mentioned website (pcb layout + source code
included) might provide
the means to accomplish this.
Greetings peter
Oorspronkelijk bericht
Van: Chris Loiacono [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=KQxN0Q1CgWNMAuyXH075HELDXo8lzxoh_wCtupXf5dk0eDmv_Bh6xXVSSgmksOja9m5x8ALgZPwRnCam8w]chris@m...[/urlNamens Chris Loiacono
(E-mail)
Verzonden: zaterdag 11 augustus 2001 18:20
Aan: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RS 232-Dimmer
Peter:
Now I get it. Sure, your idea should work. There is an extended X-10 command
set that can be used also, which I think is preferred to the unit on & off
command, or did you mean the "all lights on" or "all lights off" commands?
In either case, the extended commands would let you avoid potential
conflicts.