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Wireless serial comms to a Stamp

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-08-06 16:45 in General Discussion
RF can go only few centimeters bellow water.
ACJacques

Bruce Bates wrote:
>
> At 8/6/2001 Monday 05:12 AM, Rob Werner promulgated:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I'm new to the group so please bare with me. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
> >
> >I am interested in designing a remote control system for a model submarine
> >using a Basic Stamp as the central control unit. I would like to be able to
> >send serial commands to the Stamp over a wireless link. Does anyone have
> >any info on RF data-comms with the Basic Stamp or something similar?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >-Rob
> Hi Rob -
>
> Welcome to the group. You can find an entire array of remote control products
> here on the Rentron Site: http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/RemoteControl.htm
>
> That should get you started. If you have any questions, the owner of
> Rentron is
> a member of this group as well. His name is Bruce Reynolds, and I'm sure he'll
> be happy to help you.
>
> Good luck with your project, it sounds real interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce Bates
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-03 01:11
    Serial cables may go kilometers and is very easy and straightforward to
    implement. Ultrasonics may be slow, and very expensive. For serial
    cable you need just the cable and a waterproof connector.
    Cable also may will be used for emergency recovery in a sub failure.
    This is because most professional ROVs have a tether.
    What is the max distance and depth you intend to go?
    Fresh or saltwater?
    How clear is the water ?
    ACJacques

    Rob Werner wrote:
    >
    > Hmmm... I thought that might be the case. There are no other viable
    > options are there? I guess I could use a cable, but serial cables have
    > limited rang also. Any ideas?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > -Rob
    >
    > on 3/8/01 9:07 AM, AC Jacques at acjacques@i... wrote:
    >
    > > RF can go only few centimeters bellow water.
    > > ACJacques
    > >
    > > Bruce Bates wrote:
    > >>
    > >> At 8/6/2001 Monday 05:12 AM, Rob Werner promulgated:
    > >>> Hi all,
    > >>>
    > >>> I'm new to the group so please bare with me. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    > >>>
    > >>> I am interested in designing a remote control system for a model submarine
    > >>> using a Basic Stamp as the central control unit. I would like to be able
    to
    > >>> send serial commands to the Stamp over a wireless link. Does anyone have
    > >>> any info on RF data-comms with the Basic Stamp or something similar?
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks!
    > >>>
    > >>> -Rob
    > >> Hi Rob -
    > >>
    > >> Welcome to the group. You can find an entire array of remote control
    products
    > >> here on the Rentron Site: http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/RemoteControl.htm
    > >>
    > >> That should get you started. If you have any questions, the owner of
    > >> Rentron is
    > >> a member of this group as well. His name is Bruce Reynolds, and I'm sure
    > >> he'll
    > >> be happy to help you.
    > >>
    > >> Good luck with your project, it sounds real interesting.
    > >>
    > >> Regards,
    > >>
    > >> Bruce Bates
    > >>
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-05 18:14
    Any pair is good for serial comms, even unshielded. If you use a pullup
    or pull down (depending of your seial mode) resistor at one end don't
    worry about noise. I have used this up to 200 meters bilateral in the
    same wire at bauds rates up to 50Kbps withtout problem. And it is
    running side by side with are several power 300VAC lines switching!.
    Video should be sent thru coaxial or thru a twisted pair (in this case
    you must use a diferential driver). Most difficult to implement this
    approach is find an appropriate multiconductor cable not too much
    expensive (custom made) and not so bulky and heavy underwater(try
    Monogami) .A S-VHS cable that have two small coaxials are a good and
    inexpensive starting point. Take extra care if you intend use AC
    underwater. Could be lethal.Always use DC and not more than 24 VDC. UW
    connectors could be avaiable from Impulse Enterprises (CA) ranging from
    ~ $40 to $200 or you could use a fixed plastic cable gland with IP68
    rating (~ $ 2.00).
    ACJacques

    Rob Werner wrote:
    >
    > Ahhh. I was under the impression that serial cables started to pick up
    > interference after more than a few meters but I wasn't really sure.
    >
    > Anyway, serial sounds good. I won't have to worry about batteries now...
    > And I'll be able to implement audio/video!
    >
    > So I should be able to send serial commands over a cable several meters
    > long? What would be the realistic maximum range to you think? Is there a
    > particular type of cable I should use (to avoid noise)?
    >
    > I hope this stuff isn't OT for the group.
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > -Rob
    >
    > PS. I am planning predominantly for salt water (the local harbour). The
    > water isn't that clear...
    >
    > on 3/8/01 10:11 AM, AC Jacques at acjacques@i... wrote:
    >
    > > Serial cables may go kilometers and is very easy and straightforward to
    > > implement. Ultrasonics may be slow, and very expensive. For serial
    > > cable you need just the cable and a waterproof connector.
    > > Cable also may will be used for emergency recovery in a sub failure.
    > > This is because most professional ROVs have a tether.
    > > What is the max distance and depth you intend to go?
    > > Fresh or saltwater?
    > > How clear is the water ?
    > > ACJacques
    > >
    > > Rob Werner wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Hmmm... I thought that might be the case. There are no other viable
    > >> options are there? I guess I could use a cable, but serial cables have
    > >> limited rang also. Any ideas?
    > >>
    > >> Thanks,
    > >>
    > >> -Rob
    > >>
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 10:12
    Hi all,

    I'm new to the group so please bare with me. [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    I am interested in designing a remote control system for a model submarine
    using a Basic Stamp as the central control unit. I would like to be able to
    send serial commands to the Stamp over a wireless link. Does anyone have
    any info on RF data-comms with the Basic Stamp or something similar?

    Thanks!

    -Rob
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 12:41
    At 8/6/2001 Monday 05:12 AM, Rob Werner promulgated:
    >Hi all,
    >
    >I'm new to the group so please bare with me. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    >
    >I am interested in designing a remote control system for a model submarine
    >using a Basic Stamp as the central control unit. I would like to be able to
    >send serial commands to the Stamp over a wireless link. Does anyone have
    >any info on RF data-comms with the Basic Stamp or something similar?
    >
    >Thanks!
    >
    >-Rob
    Hi Rob -

    Welcome to the group. You can find an entire array of remote control products
    here on the Rentron Site: http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/RemoteControl.htm

    That should get you started. If you have any questions, the owner of
    Rentron is
    a member of this group as well. His name is Bruce Reynolds, and I'm sure he'll
    be happy to help you.

    Good luck with your project, it sounds real interesting.

    Regards,

    Bruce Bates
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 13:14
    Hmmm... I thought that might be the case. There are no other viable
    options are there? I guess I could use a cable, but serial cables have
    limited rang also. Any ideas?

    Thanks,

    -Rob

    on 3/8/01 9:07 AM, AC Jacques at acjacques@i... wrote:

    > RF can go only few centimeters bellow water.
    > ACJacques
    >
    > Bruce Bates wrote:
    >>
    >> At 8/6/2001 Monday 05:12 AM, Rob Werner promulgated:
    >>> Hi all,
    >>>
    >>> I'm new to the group so please bare with me. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    >>>
    >>> I am interested in designing a remote control system for a model submarine
    >>> using a Basic Stamp as the central control unit. I would like to be able to
    >>> send serial commands to the Stamp over a wireless link. Does anyone have
    >>> any info on RF data-comms with the Basic Stamp or something similar?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks!
    >>>
    >>> -Rob
    >> Hi Rob -
    >>
    >> Welcome to the group. You can find an entire array of remote control products
    >> here on the Rentron Site: http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/RemoteControl.htm
    >>
    >> That should get you started. If you have any questions, the owner of
    >> Rentron is
    >> a member of this group as well. His name is Bruce Reynolds, and I'm sure
    >> he'll
    >> be happy to help you.
    >>
    >> Good luck with your project, it sounds real interesting.
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >>
    >> Bruce Bates
    >>
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 13:20
    the best bet is to use sound, between 40 and 200khz, the freq and power will
    dertimine the range.

    norm



    >From: Rob Werner <rwerner@b...>
    >Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    >Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Wireless serial comms to a Stamp
    >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 22:14:27 +1000
    >
    >Hmmm... I thought that might be the case. There are no other viable
    >options are there? I guess I could use a cable, but serial cables have
    >limited rang also. Any ideas?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >-Rob
    >
    >on 3/8/01 9:07 AM, AC Jacques at acjacques@i... wrote:
    >
    > > RF can go only few centimeters bellow water.
    > > ACJacques
    > >
    > > Bruce Bates wrote:
    > >>
    > >> At 8/6/2001 Monday 05:12 AM, Rob Werner promulgated:
    > >>> Hi all,
    > >>>
    > >>> I'm new to the group so please bare with me. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    > >>>
    > >>> I am interested in designing a remote control system for a model
    >submarine
    > >>> using a Basic Stamp as the central control unit. I would like to be
    >able to
    > >>> send serial commands to the Stamp over a wireless link. Does anyone
    >have
    > >>> any info on RF data-comms with the Basic Stamp or something similar?
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks!
    > >>>
    > >>> -Rob
    > >> Hi Rob -
    > >>
    > >> Welcome to the group. You can find an entire array of remote control
    >products
    > >> here on the Rentron Site:
    >http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/RemoteControl.htm
    > >>
    > >> That should get you started. If you have any questions, the owner of
    > >> Rentron is
    > >> a member of this group as well. His name is Bruce Reynolds, and I'm
    >sure
    > >> he'll
    > >> be happy to help you.
    > >>
    > >> Good luck with your project, it sounds real interesting.
    > >>
    > >> Regards,
    > >>
    > >> Bruce Bates
    > >>
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 14:24
    Ahhh. I was under the impression that serial cables started to pick up
    interference after more than a few meters but I wasn't really sure.

    Anyway, serial sounds good. I won't have to worry about batteries now...
    And I'll be able to implement audio/video!

    So I should be able to send serial commands over a cable several meters
    long? What would be the realistic maximum range to you think? Is there a
    particular type of cable I should use (to avoid noise)?

    I hope this stuff isn't OT for the group.

    Thanks!

    -Rob

    PS. I am planning predominantly for salt water (the local harbour). The
    water isn't that clear...

    on 3/8/01 10:11 AM, AC Jacques at acjacques@i... wrote:

    > Serial cables may go kilometers and is very easy and straightforward to
    > implement. Ultrasonics may be slow, and very expensive. For serial
    > cable you need just the cable and a waterproof connector.
    > Cable also may will be used for emergency recovery in a sub failure.
    > This is because most professional ROVs have a tether.
    > What is the max distance and depth you intend to go?
    > Fresh or saltwater?
    > How clear is the water ?
    > ACJacques
    >
    > Rob Werner wrote:
    >>
    >> Hmmm... I thought that might be the case. There are no other viable
    >> options are there? I guess I could use a cable, but serial cables have
    >> limited rang also. Any ideas?
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> -Rob
    >>
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 14:59
    If you want cheap, the units Reynolds Electronics sells work well at close
    range. You get one transmitter and one receiver for $17.

    If you want quality, there are some commercial units out there in the $200
    range per tranceiver that can communicate for miles.


    Original Message

    > I am interested in designing a remote control system for a model submarine
    > using a Basic Stamp as the central control unit. I would like to be able
    to
    > send serial commands to the Stamp over a wireless link. Does anyone have
    > any info on RF data-comms with the Basic Stamp or something similar?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 15:06
    Actually, you should consider RS-485 for any long distances. You can get up
    to about 750 feet with RS-232 if you use a good quality shielded cable and
    run at 300 baud. You can get 2,000+ feet out of RS485 at 9,600 baud with no
    problem.

    Original Message

    > Ahhh. I was under the impression that serial cables started to pick up
    > interference after more than a few meters but I wasn't really sure.
    >
    > Anyway, serial sounds good. I won't have to worry about batteries now...
    > And I'll be able to implement audio/video!
    >
    > So I should be able to send serial commands over a cable several meters
    > long? What would be the realistic maximum range to you think? Is there a
    > particular type of cable I should use (to avoid noise)?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-06 16:45
    For rweerner

    Try the TWS/RWS combination. Inexpensive and efficient. I believe it is
    www.rentron.com. Let me know if I can help.

    Sid
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