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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-08-01 19:40 in General Discussion
Hi all,

I am trying to find a temperature sensor
that will measure something between 0 F
and 100 F (greater range is fine)
and can offer an accuracy of better than
one degree F.

Seems the IC's that offer serial outputs
have poor accuracy's and I know that the
thermocouples have way too low of a raw
signal to offer the resolution.

I looked at the temperature coefficient of
a diode (PN junction) and that seems to offer
a useable signal, but it requires a lot of
support chips.

Anybody have any ideas or suggestions ?


Dave

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-07-31 18:10
    I believe some of the Dallas 1 wire and ibutton devices offer .5 degree
    accuracy and at least the sort of range you are looking for ...from memeory
    try www.ibutton.com

    HTH
    Mick

    Dave Mucha <davemucha@j...> said:

    > Hi all,
    >
    > I am trying to find a temperature sensor
    > that will measure something between 0 F
    > and 100 F (greater range is fine)
    > and can offer an accuracy of better than
    > one degree F.
    >
    > Seems the IC's that offer serial outputs
    > have poor accuracy's and I know that the
    > thermocouples have way too low of a raw
    > signal to offer the resolution.
    >
    > I looked at the temperature coefficient of
    > a diode (PN junction) and that seems to offer
    > a useable signal, but it requires a lot of
    > support chips.
    >
    > Anybody have any ideas or suggestions ?
    >
    >
    > Dave
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-07-31 21:04
    Hi Dave,

    The best grade of LM34CAH or LM34CAZ (analog 10mv/degree) assure
    accuracy off the shelf to +/- 1 degree F.

    The DS1620 (spi interface) is accurate to +/- 0.5 deg. C over range
    of the 0 to 70 degees C.

    -- best regards
    Tracy Allen
    electronically monitored ecosystems
    http://www.emesystems.com
    mailto:tracy@e...


    >Hi all,
    >
    >I am trying to find a temperature sensor
    >that will measure something between 0 F
    >and 100 F (greater range is fine)
    >and can offer an accuracy of better than
    >one degree F.
    >
    >Seems the IC's that offer serial outputs
    >have poor accuracy's and I know that the
    >thermocouples have way too low of a raw
    >signal to offer the resolution.
    >
    >I looked at the temperature coefficient of
    >a diode (PN junction) and that seems to offer
    >a useable signal, but it requires a lot of
    >support chips.
    >
    >Anybody have any ideas or suggestions ?
    >
    >Dave
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-07-31 21:06
    Check out the LM34. Works nicely with a 8 bit ADC. You will have the
    resolution, and accuracy, you need.

    Isn't the DS1620 acurate to 1/2 deg C? (don't have the data handy,
    sorry)

    Rich

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...> wrote:
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I am trying to find a temperature sensor
    > that will measure something between 0 F
    > and 100 F (greater range is fine)
    > and can offer an accuracy of better than
    > one degree F.
    >
    > Seems the IC's that offer serial outputs
    > have poor accuracy's and I know that the
    > thermocouples have way too low of a raw
    > signal to offer the resolution.
    >
    > I looked at the temperature coefficient of
    > a diode (PN junction) and that seems to offer
    > a useable signal, but it requires a lot of
    > support chips.
    >
    > Anybody have any ideas or suggestions ?
    >
    >
    > Dave
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-07-31 21:50
    For Rich

    At about 100 degrees F. the LM34 puts out a raw count of about 850 which
    converted to millivolts is about 1010. The highest count you can get with 8
    bits is 255. I use 12 bits to get the full count.

    Enlighten me, please.

    Sid - W4EKQ
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-01 17:22
    Dave,

    Just went through a similar search. Your +/- 1[noparse][[/noparse]°F] is a bit tough,
    but Maxim/Dallas Semiconductor DS18B20 are accurate to +/- 0.5[noparse][[/noparse]°C]
    over the middle of the range and give 12bit resolution (0.0625[noparse][[/noparse]°C])
    by default. The BS2P talks with these quite easily with just a couple
    of statements. The advantage to these 1 Wire devices is they are
    addressable and can have many on just one i/o line.

    If you are interested in more resolution and a simpler interface
    check out MAXIM MAX6577ZUT Temperature sensor with frequency output.
    These can be directly connected to a stamp I/O pin without need for
    an ADC. I haven't received the samples I ordered yet, but I
    calculated a maximum resolution of 0.000416[noparse][[/noparse]°C] @ 70[noparse][[/noparse]°C] (my temp.
    range of interest) using a BS2P and the PULSIN command.
    Stated accuracy is +/-0.8[noparse][[/noparse]°C] @ room temp and goes down to +/-0.5 at
    higher temperatures. Of course accuracy of the stamp clock will come
    into play as well.

    Happy Stamping,
    Dean

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...> wrote:
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I am trying to find a temperature sensor
    > that will measure something between 0 F
    > and 100 F (greater range is fine)
    > and can offer an accuracy of better than
    > one degree F.
    >
    > Seems the IC's that offer serial outputs
    > have poor accuracy's and I know that the
    > thermocouples have way too low of a raw
    > signal to offer the resolution.
    >
    > I looked at the temperature coefficient of
    > a diode (PN junction) and that seems to offer
    > a useable signal, but it requires a lot of
    > support chips.
    >
    > Anybody have any ideas or suggestions ?
    >
    >
    > Dave
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-08-01 19:40
    Hi Dean,

    Thanks,

    Seems the temperature market is strewn with options.
    Thermocouples offer very high temperatures,
    but bad resolution (in my range)
    RTD's offer good resolution, but are expensive ($10.00 range)
    A PN junction offers good resolution, low price,
    but requires a lot of support chips and needs to be field calibrated.
    Thermistors offer good resolution,
    but are expensive and by my findings, they drift.

    I like the idea of the 1 Wire from Dallas.

    I think we will put up a web page of the findings as we get some
    empirical data on the comparisons of these chips and sensors.

    Dave






    --- In basicstamps@y..., Dean_Severns@W... wrote:
    > Dave,
    >
    > Just went through a similar search. Your +/- 1[noparse][[/noparse]°F] is a bit tough,
    > but Maxim/Dallas Semiconductor DS18B20 are accurate to +/- 0.5[noparse][[/noparse]°C]
    > over the middle of the range and give 12bit resolution (0.0625[noparse][[/noparse]°C])
    > by default. The BS2P talks with these quite easily with just a
    couple
    > of statements. The advantage to these 1 Wire devices is they are
    > addressable and can have many on just one i/o line.
    >
    > If you are interested in more resolution and a simpler interface
    > check out MAXIM MAX6577ZUT Temperature sensor with frequency output.
    > These can be directly connected to a stamp I/O pin without need for
    > an ADC. I haven't received the samples I ordered yet, but I
    > calculated a maximum resolution of 0.000416[noparse][[/noparse]°C] @ 70[noparse][[/noparse]°C] (my temp.
    > range of interest) using a BS2P and the PULSIN command.
    > Stated accuracy is +/-0.8[noparse][[/noparse]°C] @ room temp and goes down to +/-0.5
    at
    > higher temperatures. Of course accuracy of the stamp clock will
    come
    > into play as well.
    >
    > Happy Stamping,
    > Dean
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...> wrote:
    > > Hi all,
    > >
    > > I am trying to find a temperature sensor
    > > that will measure something between 0 F
    > > and 100 F (greater range is fine)
    > > and can offer an accuracy of better than
    > > one degree F.
    > >
    > > Seems the IC's that offer serial outputs
    > > have poor accuracy's and I know that the
    > > thermocouples have way too low of a raw
    > > signal to offer the resolution.
    > >
    > > I looked at the temperature coefficient of
    > > a diode (PN junction) and that seems to offer
    > > a useable signal, but it requires a lot of
    > > support chips.
    > >
    > > Anybody have any ideas or suggestions ?
    > >
    > >
    > > Dave
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