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Hi Stampers,
I'm using Eagle Layout Editor for differents projects. As I make double
sided prints on my own, it's sometimes difficult to align both sides.
It would be easier if the vias where a little larger. I can't find a way to
define the vias diameter. Maybe somebody on the list would help me ?
On the other hand, I made a library containing the BS2-IC and the BS2-SX. As
I've seen demands about that, I can post it as attachement, or send it to
personnal addresses. Let me know the best way to do that without creating
problems on the list...
Thanks
Phil.
I'm using Eagle Layout Editor for differents projects. As I make double
sided prints on my own, it's sometimes difficult to align both sides.
It would be easier if the vias where a little larger. I can't find a way to
define the vias diameter. Maybe somebody on the list would help me ?
On the other hand, I made a library containing the BS2-IC and the BS2-SX. As
I've seen demands about that, I can post it as attachement, or send it to
personnal addresses. Let me know the best way to do that without creating
problems on the list...
Thanks
Phil.
Comments
> Hi Stampers,
>
> I'm using Eagle Layout Editor for differents projects. As I make double
> sided prints on my own, it's sometimes difficult to align both sides.
> It would be easier if the vias where a little larger. I can't find a way to
> define the vias diameter. Maybe somebody on the list would help me ?
There are two ways to do this:
1) Change the via setting in the autoroute. When you do autoroute it gives
you a number of parameters including trace width, minimum distance between
traces, etc.
2) Go to the via when it's done routing and use the change width tool ; I
think it has a little wrench on it or something. Other than that you can
use the manual directive, which is I think "change diameter"
Good luck.
>
> On the other hand, I made a library containing the BS2-IC and the BS2-SX. As
> I've seen demands about that, I can post it as attachement, or send it to
> personnal addresses. Let me know the best way to do that without creating
> problems on the list...
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil.
>
>
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Sid
call me.
888-920-7746.
i would like to get your files.[/font]
and sorry i cant help you with the vias as im still struggleing myself.
Regards
Peter Rogers
Original Message
From: "Philippe Derenne" <derennep@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:50 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> Hi Stampers,
>
> I'm using Eagle Layout Editor for differents projects. As I make double
> sided prints on my own, it's sometimes difficult to align both sides.
> It would be easier if the vias where a little larger. I can't find a way
to
> define the vias diameter. Maybe somebody on the list would help me ?
>
> On the other hand, I made a library containing the BS2-IC and the BS2-SX.
As
> I've seen demands about that, I can post it as attachement, or send it to
> personnal addresses. Let me know the best way to do that without creating
> problems on the list...
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
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e-mail me directly @ sdavis6969@aol.com[/font]
question to which you didn't know the answer, and you suggested to use a
different package which you didn't know about. Eagle is a very good layout
package and one that is very fully functioning, and in fact can do exactly
what was required of it ; changing layout packages isn't the solution.
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 Newzed@a... wrote:
> Use Express PCB. You can make the holes any size you want up to .125
>
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Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma - Bremerton
email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
"...There's no moral, it's just a lot of stuff that happens". - H. Simpson
route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the diameter or
the drill size by highlighting the whole board with the group command. Then
click on change then on Diameter then to the diameter you want. Then take
your mouse and put it in the middle of the board and RIGHT CLICK. All the
vias will change to what you selected.
If you want to change them during placment just change the dia and drill
size in the small dia and drill windows on the top of the screen.
Jeffrey A Boccaccio
InVisions Technology
Original Message
From: Sean T. Lamont .lost. <lamont@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Philippe Derenne wrote:
>
> > Hi Stampers,
> >
> > I'm using Eagle Layout Editor for differents projects. As I make double
> > sided prints on my own, it's sometimes difficult to align both sides.
> > It would be easier if the vias where a little larger. I can't find a way
to
> > define the vias diameter. Maybe somebody on the list would help me ?
>
> There are two ways to do this:
>
> 1) Change the via setting in the autoroute. When you do autoroute it gives
> you a number of parameters including trace width, minimum distance between
> traces, etc.
>
> 2) Go to the via when it's done routing and use the change width tool ; I
> think it has a little wrench on it or something. Other than that you can
> use the manual directive, which is I think "change diameter"
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> >
> > On the other hand, I made a library containing the BS2-IC and the
BS2-SX. As
> > I've seen demands about that, I can post it as attachement, or send it
to
> > personnal addresses. Let me know the best way to do that without
creating
> > problems on the list...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
> Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc. (ServNet)
> Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma - Bremerton
> email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
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Thanks for your answer.
I can send you the library if you give me your e-mail address.
Best regards,
Phil.
Original Message
From: "Peter Rogers" <molly7@o...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> i would love the libaries if you wuld like to send/post em.
>
Thanks to everybody for your answers, useful or not !
Phil.
Original Message
From: "Philippe Derenne" <derennep@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:50 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> Hi Stampers,
>
> I'm using Eagle Layout Editor for differents projects. As I make double
> sided prints on my own, it's sometimes difficult to align both sides.
> It would be easier if the vias where a little larger. I can't find a way
to
> define the vias diameter. Maybe somebody on the list would help me ?
>
> On the other hand, I made a library containing the BS2-IC and the BS2-SX.
As
> I've seen demands about that, I can post it as attachement, or send it to
> personnal addresses. Let me know the best way to do that without creating
> problems on the list...
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
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>
>
> Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed during auto
> route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the diameter or
> the drill size by highlighting the whole board with the group command. Then
> click on change then on Diameter then to the diameter you want. Then take
> your mouse and put it in the middle of the board and RIGHT CLICK. All the
> vias will change to what you selected.
Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do it is to
define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right there. If
it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the virtual
traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc. (ServNet)
Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma - Bremerton
email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
"...There's no moral, it's just a lot of stuff that happens". - H. Simpson
Isn't Eagle just great?
Original Message
From: Sean T. Lamont .lost. <lamont@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jeff Boccaccio wrote:
>
> > Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed during
auto
> > route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the diameter
or
> > the drill size by highlighting the whole board with the group command.
Then
> > click on change then on Diameter then to the diameter you want. Then
take
> > your mouse and put it in the middle of the board and RIGHT CLICK. All
the
> > vias will change to what you selected.
>
>
> Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do it is to
> define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right there. If
> it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the virtual
> traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
>
>
> Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc. (ServNet)
> Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma - Bremerton
> email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
> "...There's no moral, it's just a lot of stuff that happens". - H. Simpson
>
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> I agree but I understood the note as being already to board level.
Ok, point taken. I maintain that if you have already autorouted that you
might not necessarily just want to expand the via size because you have
the possibilty of getting uncomfortably close to other objects, and it's
probably just easier to rip up the traces and re-autoroute with new via
sizes, which gives you a new optimum placement given the larger vias.
Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc. (ServNet)
Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma - Bremerton
email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
"...There's no moral, it's just a lot of stuff that happens". - H. Simpson
Please could you send me the library that you made containing the BS2-IC?
Regards,
Jose Antonio
At 19:50 20/06/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Stampers,
>
>I'm using Eagle Layout Editor for differents projects. As I make double
>sided prints on my own, it's sometimes difficult to align both sides.
>It would be easier if the vias where a little larger. I can't find a way to
>define the vias diameter. Maybe somebody on the list would help me ?
>
>On the other hand, I made a library containing the BS2-IC and the BS2-SX. As
>I've seen demands about that, I can post it as attachement, or send it to
>personnal addresses. Let me know the best way to do that without creating
>problems on the list...
>
>Thanks
>
>Phil.
>
>
>
>To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
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>
> > Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed during
auto
> > route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the diameter
or
>
>
> Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do it is to
> define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right there. If
> it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the virtual
> traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
>
Agree ! I use autorouter also, even when I need a single side board. When
90-95 % of the job is done, you just have to add some straps to finish the
job. The last board I made took me only 1 hour to finish the routing (single
sided). A full manual routing would have taken more than 4 hours, and lots
of coffee !
Thanks for your answer.
Phil.
The router would never be smart enough to understand changing trace widths,
when and where shapes need to change, isolated power planes, and signal
integrity. Not to even mention the poor control over emissions. I have done
countless experiments with this process and have learned how to
strategically route boards to handle these issues and others. Fortunately, I
own an LPKF router. This gives me the power to move from schematic to board
level, to board routing, cutting and stuffing in less then an hour. I have
better than 200 boards just experimenting with these issues. If you do high
level RF engineering, part of the engineering is board management.There is
no way out of that. It goes with the territory.
Now if the board is pretty straight forward and dealing with lower
frequencies I would have to say that auto route mode is very handy and saves
time. Especially in typical multiple buss layout. But if you are doing high
level work the time you save in auto route will work against you on multiple
Rev's, time and of coarse money.
As good as Eagle is, and don't get me wrong I love the program, auto route
just makes poor decisions on traces and via's. You have to always put into
the equation the cost factor for the board. When designing a board were 5 or
10 thousand boards a month is not uncommon, board management can make a
serious dent in boards cost and construction.
Jeffrey A Boccaccio
President
InVisions Technology
Original Message
From: Philippe Derenne <derennep@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
>
>
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jeff Boccaccio wrote:
> >
> > > Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed during
> auto
> > > route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the
diameter
> or
> >
> >
> > Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do it is to
> > define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right there. If
> > it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the virtual
> > traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
> >
>
> Agree ! I use autorouter also, even when I need a single side board. When
> 90-95 % of the job is done, you just have to add some straps to finish the
> job. The last board I made took me only 1 hour to finish the routing
(single
> sided). A full manual routing would have taken more than 4 hours, and lots
> of coffee !
>
> Thanks for your answer.
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
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>
What Model do you have?
What Kind of PCB Cad do you have?
Has anyone made a custom Cat. file for you?
One last question, what tools did you get with it?
Original Message
From: Johnny E. Bates <drjb@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> I recently purchased an LPKF router any chance of tutering me?
>
> Rusty Bates
>
Original Message
> From: "Jeffrey A. Boccaccio" <jeff@i...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
>
>
> > When dealing with frequencies over 500 MHz auto routing just doesn't cut
> it.
> > The router would never be smart enough to understand changing trace
> widths,
> > when and where shapes need to change, isolated power planes, and signal
> > integrity. Not to even mention the poor control over emissions. I have
> done
> > countless experiments with this process and have learned how to
> > strategically route boards to handle these issues and others.
Fortunately,
> I
> > own an LPKF router. This gives me the power to move from schematic to
> board
> > level, to board routing, cutting and stuffing in less then an hour. I
> have
> > better than 200 boards just experimenting with these issues. If you do
> high
> > level RF engineering, part of the engineering is board management.There
is
> > no way out of that. It goes with the territory.
> > Now if the board is pretty straight forward and dealing with lower
> > frequencies I would have to say that auto route mode is very handy and
> saves
> > time. Especially in typical multiple buss layout. But if you are doing
> high
> > level work the time you save in auto route will work against you on
> multiple
> > Rev's, time and of coarse money.
> > As good as Eagle is, and don't get me wrong I love the program, auto
route
> > just makes poor decisions on traces and via's. You have to always put
into
> > the equation the cost factor for the board. When designing a board were
5
> or
> > 10 thousand boards a month is not uncommon, board management can make a
> > serious dent in boards cost and construction.
> >
> > Jeffrey A Boccaccio
> > President
> > InVisions Technology
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: Philippe Derenne <derennep@s...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jeff Boccaccio wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed
during
> > > auto
> > > > > route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the
> > diameter
> > > or
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do it is
> to
> >
> > > > define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right there.
If
> > > > it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the virtual
> > > > traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Agree ! I use autorouter also, even when I need a single side board.
> When
> > > 90-95 % of the job is done, you just have to add some straps to finish
> the
> > > job. The last board I made took me only 1 hour to finish the routing
> > (single
> > > sided). A full manual routing would have taken more than 4 hours, and
> lots
> > > of coffee !
> > >
> > > Thanks for your answer.
> > >
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Have you done anything with the unit yet?
ie make any boards or just played around. (thats hard not to do when you get
it !)
Original Message
From: Johnny E. Bates <drjb@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> Protomat C30
> EAGLE
> ? CAT- To my knowledge no
> I purchased the standard beginners toolkit.
>
> Thanks
> Rusty
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Jeff Boccaccio" <jeff@i...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
>
>
> > Sure:
> >
> >
> > What Model do you have?
> > What Kind of PCB Cad do you have?
> > Has anyone made a custom Cat. file for you?
> > One last question, what tools did you get with it?
> >
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: Johnny E. Bates <drjb@s...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> >
> >
> > > I recently purchased an LPKF router any chance of tutering me?
> > >
> > > Rusty Bates
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: "Jeffrey A. Boccaccio" <jeff@i...>
> > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> > >
> > >
> > > > When dealing with frequencies over 500 MHz auto routing just doesn't
> cut
> > > it.
> > > > The router would never be smart enough to understand changing trace
> > > widths,
> > > > when and where shapes need to change, isolated power planes, and
> signal
> > > > integrity. Not to even mention the poor control over emissions. I
have
> > > done
> > > > countless experiments with this process and have learned how to
> > > > strategically route boards to handle these issues and others.
> > Fortunately,
> > > I
> > > > own an LPKF router. This gives me the power to move from schematic
to
> > > board
> > > > level, to board routing, cutting and stuffing in less then an hour.
I
> > > have
> > > > better than 200 boards just experimenting with these issues. If you
do
> > > high
> > > > level RF engineering, part of the engineering is board
> management.There
> > is
> > > > no way out of that. It goes with the territory.
> > > > Now if the board is pretty straight forward and dealing with lower
> > > > frequencies I would have to say that auto route mode is very handy
and
> > > saves
> > > > time. Especially in typical multiple buss layout. But if you are
doing
> > > high
> > > > level work the time you save in auto route will work against you on
> > > multiple
> > > > Rev's, time and of coarse money.
> > > > As good as Eagle is, and don't get me wrong I love the program, auto
> > route
> > > > just makes poor decisions on traces and via's. You have to always
put
> > into
> > > > the equation the cost factor for the board. When designing a board
> were
> > 5
> > > or
> > > > 10 thousand boards a month is not uncommon, board management can
make
> a
> > > > serious dent in boards cost and construction.
> > > >
> > > > Jeffrey A Boccaccio
> > > > President
> > > > InVisions Technology
> > > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: Philippe Derenne <derennep@s...>
> > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:53 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jeff Boccaccio wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed
> > during
> > > > > auto
> > > > > > > route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the
> > > > diameter
> > > > > or
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do
it
> is
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > > > define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right
> there.
> > If
> > > > > > it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the
> virtual
> > > > > > traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Agree ! I use autorouter also, even when I need a single side
board.
> > > When
> > > > > 90-95 % of the job is done, you just have to add some straps to
> finish
> > > the
> > > > > job. The last board I made took me only 1 hour to finish the
routing
> > > > (single
> > > > > sided). A full manual routing would have taken more than 4 hours,
> and
> > > lots
> > > > > of coffee !
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil.
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Rusty Bates
Original Message
From: "Jeffrey A. Boccaccio" <jeff@i...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> When dealing with frequencies over 500 MHz auto routing just doesn't cut
it.
> The router would never be smart enough to understand changing trace
widths,
> when and where shapes need to change, isolated power planes, and signal
> integrity. Not to even mention the poor control over emissions. I have
done
> countless experiments with this process and have learned how to
> strategically route boards to handle these issues and others. Fortunately,
I
> own an LPKF router. This gives me the power to move from schematic to
board
> level, to board routing, cutting and stuffing in less then an hour. I
have
> better than 200 boards just experimenting with these issues. If you do
high
> level RF engineering, part of the engineering is board management.There is
> no way out of that. It goes with the territory.
> Now if the board is pretty straight forward and dealing with lower
> frequencies I would have to say that auto route mode is very handy and
saves
> time. Especially in typical multiple buss layout. But if you are doing
high
> level work the time you save in auto route will work against you on
multiple
> Rev's, time and of coarse money.
> As good as Eagle is, and don't get me wrong I love the program, auto route
> just makes poor decisions on traces and via's. You have to always put into
> the equation the cost factor for the board. When designing a board were 5
or
> 10 thousand boards a month is not uncommon, board management can make a
> serious dent in boards cost and construction.
>
> Jeffrey A Boccaccio
> President
> InVisions Technology
>
>
Original Message
> From: Philippe Derenne <derennep@s...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
>
>
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jeff Boccaccio wrote:
> > >
> > > > Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed during
> > auto
> > > > route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the
> diameter
> > or
> > >
> > >
> > > Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do it is
to
>
> > > define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right there. If
> > > it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the virtual
> > > traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
> > >
> >
> > Agree ! I use autorouter also, even when I need a single side board.
When
> > 90-95 % of the job is done, you just have to add some straps to finish
the
> > job. The last board I made took me only 1 hour to finish the routing
> (single
> > sided). A full manual routing would have taken more than 4 hours, and
lots
> > of coffee !
> >
> > Thanks for your answer.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> >
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EAGLE
? CAT- To my knowledge no
I purchased the standard beginners toolkit.
Thanks
Rusty
Original Message
From: "Jeff Boccaccio" <jeff@i...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> Sure:
>
>
> What Model do you have?
> What Kind of PCB Cad do you have?
> Has anyone made a custom Cat. file for you?
> One last question, what tools did you get with it?
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: Johnny E. Bates <drjb@s...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
>
>
> > I recently purchased an LPKF router any chance of tutering me?
> >
> > Rusty Bates
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Jeffrey A. Boccaccio" <jeff@i...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> >
> >
> > > When dealing with frequencies over 500 MHz auto routing just doesn't
cut
> > it.
> > > The router would never be smart enough to understand changing trace
> > widths,
> > > when and where shapes need to change, isolated power planes, and
signal
> > > integrity. Not to even mention the poor control over emissions. I have
> > done
> > > countless experiments with this process and have learned how to
> > > strategically route boards to handle these issues and others.
> Fortunately,
> > I
> > > own an LPKF router. This gives me the power to move from schematic to
> > board
> > > level, to board routing, cutting and stuffing in less then an hour. I
> > have
> > > better than 200 boards just experimenting with these issues. If you do
> > high
> > > level RF engineering, part of the engineering is board
management.There
> is
> > > no way out of that. It goes with the territory.
> > > Now if the board is pretty straight forward and dealing with lower
> > > frequencies I would have to say that auto route mode is very handy and
> > saves
> > > time. Especially in typical multiple buss layout. But if you are doing
> > high
> > > level work the time you save in auto route will work against you on
> > multiple
> > > Rev's, time and of coarse money.
> > > As good as Eagle is, and don't get me wrong I love the program, auto
> route
> > > just makes poor decisions on traces and via's. You have to always put
> into
> > > the equation the cost factor for the board. When designing a board
were
> 5
> > or
> > > 10 thousand boards a month is not uncommon, board management can make
a
> > > serious dent in boards cost and construction.
> > >
> > > Jeffrey A Boccaccio
> > > President
> > > InVisions Technology
> > >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: Philippe Derenne <derennep@s...>
> > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] To Eagle users
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jeff Boccaccio wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Changing via dia. size is really easy. If the vias are placed
> during
> > > > auto
> > > > > > route, which nobody uses by the way, you can easily change the
> > > diameter
> > > > or
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Huh? I use autoroute/ripup all the time. The much easier to do it
is
> > to
> > >
> > > > > define the via size in the autoroute parameters ; it's right
there.
> If
> > > > > it's already autorouted you can use ripup to get back to the
virtual
> > > > > traces and re-autoroute it with the new via size.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agree ! I use autorouter also, even when I need a single side board.
> > When
> > > > 90-95 % of the job is done, you just have to add some straps to
finish
> > the
> > > > job. The last board I made took me only 1 hour to finish the routing
> > > (single
> > > > sided). A full manual routing would have taken more than 4 hours,
and
> > lots
> > > > of coffee !
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your answer.
> > > >
> > > > Phil.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, just send mail to:
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thing is all about. Could someone tell me what it is?[/font]