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DTMF Tones

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-06-17 19:19 in General Discussion
Hello,
I was trying to build a small toy RC blimp and then saw how
expensive the transmitter and reciever were. Then I had this weird
idea. If I had a DTMF tone encoder hooked up to a CB radio's mic, and
a tone decoder attatched to another CB's speaker, then had a Basic
Stamp2 on the decoder to tell the blimp what to do, would that work?
Lets say you pushed the number "1" on the encoder. The tone it made
would go to the CB and get transmitted. Then the other CB would
recieve it and the decoder would give it's output in a 4-bit
hexadecimal code. Next, the BS2 would output a signal to a relay
which in turn would operate a fan to make the blimp turn left. Does
anyone have a clue whether this would work or not?

-Thanks

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-06-17 03:25
    At 22:13 06/16/01, sjohns10@h... wrote:
    >Hello,
    > I was trying to build a small toy RC blimp and then saw how
    >expensive the transmitter and reciever were. Then I had this weird
    >idea. If I had a DTMF tone encoder hooked up to a CB radio's mic, and
    >a tone decoder attatched to another CB's speaker, then had a Basic
    >Stamp2 on the decoder to tell the blimp what to do, would that work?
    >Lets say you pushed the number "1" on the encoder. The tone it made
    >would go to the CB and get transmitted. Then the other CB would
    >recieve it and the decoder would give it's output in a 4-bit
    >hexadecimal code. Next, the BS2 would output a signal to a relay
    >which in turn would operate a fan to make the blimp turn left. Does
    >anyone have a clue whether this would work or not?

    Probably not as nicely as the proportional control typical of the more
    expensive RC systems. A homegrown control system is also likely to weigh a
    lot more than a commercial RC system, and I think weight will be a very
    important consideration for you. But in the final analysis, it would be
    illegal to use CB frequencies, even the ones located between the regular CB
    channels that are meant for RC control, for control of a flying
    machine. The CB RC frequencies are for control of ground operated devices
    (cars, etc.) only - by Federal law. Also, there is enough illegal voice
    operation on the CB RC frequencies by CBers that you could be subject to
    considerable interference. Loss of control of a flying machine represents
    a safety risk - even if less for a blimp than for a faster moving fuel
    powered device. I don't see any plusses at all to this approach.

    Jim H
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-06-17 03:29
    Dear Mr. Johns (?)
    make sure you do not start the construction of this project until you
    measure the size of the blimp! helium has a very low density and the tiny
    hobby blimps like the one I have will only lift a few ounces/lb of helium
    used. I have a 3 foot unit and it just barely lifts a tiny cmos camera and
    tiny transmitter with the battery for the r/c and the little engines with
    ducted fans I put on it. Your idea has merit for control, but I think the
    letters "GOODYEAR' will have to appear on the side for you to get off the
    ground. I used to work on the Goodyear blimp in N.C. with some imagery
    projects and we even had to be very careful with weight of rack equipment
    with the big ones as the density to air-helium and weight was very critical.
    I hope I did not burst your bubble, but these are proven facts from
    experience. If you need any more info, I have a friend who is head of the
    West Jersey R/C club who worked for me that knows all about this and is 80
    years old with one eye and still flies model helos like a champ. He would
    be happy to give you more info if you want to e-mail him
    mike mocenter
    Original Message
    From: <sjohns10@h...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:13 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] DTMF Tones


    > Hello,
    > I was trying to build a small toy RC blimp and then saw how
    > expensive the transmitter and reciever were. Then I had this weird
    > idea. If I had a DTMF tone encoder hooked up to a CB radio's mic, and
    > a tone decoder attatched to another CB's speaker, then had a Basic
    > Stamp2 on the decoder to tell the blimp what to do, would that work?
    > Lets say you pushed the number "1" on the encoder. The tone it made
    > would go to the CB and get transmitted. Then the other CB would
    > recieve it and the decoder would give it's output in a 4-bit
    > hexadecimal code. Next, the BS2 would output a signal to a relay
    > which in turn would operate a fan to make the blimp turn left. Does
    > anyone have a clue whether this would work or not?
    >
    > -Thanks
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-06-17 13:01
    I saw where a camera system on a full size heli was controlled from the
    station by DTMF codes. Don't remember what frequency band they were
    using.
    > Then I had this weird
    > >idea. If I had a DTMF tone encoder hooked up to a CB radio's mic, and
    > >a tone decoder attatched to another CB's speaker, then had a Basic
    > >Stamp2 on the decoder to tell the blimp what to do, would that work?



    The Sky Surfer powered paragliders come with a 27Mhz band r/c set-up.

    >. But in the final analysis, it would be illegal to use
    > CB frequencies, even the ones located between the regular CB channels that are
    > meant for RC control, for control of a flying machine. The CB RC frequencies
    > are for control of ground operated devices (cars, etc.) only - by Federal law.
    > Also, there is enough illegal voice operation on the CB RC frequencies by
    CBers
    > that you could be subject to considerable interference. Loss of control of a
    > flying machine represents a safety risk - even if less for a blimp than for a
    > faster moving fuel powered device. I don't see any plusses at all to this
    > approach.
    >
    > Jim H
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-06-17 14:04
    Would it still be illegal to use those little walkie-talkies with the
    extra security code on it and not CB frequencies?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-06-17 18:44
    At 08:01 06/17/01, Mike DeMetz wrote:

    >I saw where a camera system on a full size heli was controlled from the
    >station by DTMF codes. Don't remember what frequency band they were
    >using.

    Control of a camera and control of the heli(copter?) itself are two
    entirely different things. The latter is illegal, and irresponsibly
    dangerous, if done on USA CB RC frequencies. If the original writer was in
    the UK, or elsewhere where laws may be different, it wasn't mentioned, and
    wasn't apparent from his Hotmail address.

    > > Then I had this weird
    > > >idea. If I had a DTMF tone encoder hooked up to a CB radio's mic, and
    > > >a tone decoder attatched to another CB's speaker, then had a Basic
    > > >Stamp2 on the decoder to tell the blimp what to do, would that work?
    >
    >The Sky Surfer powered paragliders come with a 27Mhz band r/c set-up.

    The only Sky Surfer powered paraglider I know comes with a SkySport 4
    radio, which is a 72/75 MHz narrow band FM radio, not a 27 MHz AM radio as
    used on the USA CB bands. Are there perhaps several different Sky Surfers,
    or several different Sky Sport 4 radios? The CB band, in the USA, runs
    from just below 27 MHz to about 27.4 MHz, and it is AM, not FM. My fault
    for saying "Federal law" rather than "USA Federal law."

    > >. But in the final analysis, it would be illegal to use
    > > CB frequencies, even the ones located between the regular CB channels
    > that are
    > > meant for RC control, for control of a flying machine. The CB RC
    > frequencies
    > > are for control of ground operated devices (cars, etc.) only - by
    > Federal law.
    > > Also, there is enough illegal voice operation on the CB RC frequencies
    > by CBers
    > > that you could be subject to considerable interference. Loss of
    > control of a
    > > flying machine represents a safety risk - even if less for a blimp than
    > for a
    > > faster moving fuel powered device. I don't see any plusses at all to this
    > > approach.
    > >
    > > Jim H

    Jim H
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-06-17 19:19
    At 09:04 06/17/01, sjohns10@h... wrote:

    >Would it still be illegal to use those little walkie-talkies with the
    >extra security code on it and not CB frequencies?

    Yes! It is illegal, in the USA, to use RC control systems to control
    flying machines that are not meant specifically for the control of flying
    machines. It is also irresponsibly dangerous. You need to focus firmly on
    the latter.

    Walkie talkies are subject to interference by similar walkie talkies, which
    can result in loss of control of the flying machine with risk of injury and
    property damage. Even with a security code - and it sounds like you might
    be talking about walkie talkies used in the Family Radio Service here -
    signals from other FRS radios can block your control signals even if they
    don't use the same security code as you do. The security codes on FRS
    radios only control the squelch. So signals from another FRS radio on the
    same frequency as yours can still block your receiver even though the
    security code is different. You just won't hear the other signal because
    its security code won't open the receiver squelch control. These are FM
    radios, so the strongest signal will capture the receiver. You can't be
    sure you will always be the strongest signal.

    You need to get in touch with a local RC hobby shop where you can probably
    get all your questions about RC answered - technical and legal. You will
    quickly find that most RC enthusiasts will turn you in in a second if they
    catch you using an illegal control transmitter.

    Jim H
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