JStamp Trademark
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I was doing some patent and trademark lookups today and noticed
that someone other than Parallax has a trademark on 'JStamp'. A
company called Systronix. Looks like it's a competing product.
SD
that someone other than Parallax has a trademark on 'JStamp'. A
company called Systronix. Looks like it's a competing product.
SD
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>I was doing some patent and trademark lookups today and noticed
>that someone other than Parallax has a trademark on 'JStamp'. A
>company called Systronix. Looks like it's a competing product.
A competing product calling itself any kind of "Stamp" sounds like a
possible trademark infringement to me.
Jim H
Er, BASIC Stampers -
There are some succinct comments on this at
http://jstamp.systronix.com/jstamp_conflict.htm
I looks as if there is some room to argue both sides,
but it does appear that there is no lock on calling
IC's "stamps." As the above link indicates, apparently
Systronix and Parallax are working things out
"amicably."
Bob Pence
--- Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@s...> wrote:
> At 15:27 05/30/01, degroof@m... wrote:
> >I was doing some patent and trademark lookups today
> and noticed
> >that someone other than Parallax has a trademark on
> 'JStamp'. A
> >company called Systronix. Looks like it's a
> competing product.
>
> A competing product calling itself any kind of
> "Stamp" sounds like a
> possible trademark infringement to me.
>
> Jim H
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bobpence_2000@yahoo.com writes:
To whom? ·If you play a little word association game with people familiar
with small micros, the word "Stamp" will certainly elicit "Parallax" or
"BASIC Stamp" as a response (just like "Chevron" means "gasoline" to people
in the petrochemical industry). ·While others may legally use the term
"Stamp" (since Parallax didn't trademark it early on), there certainly is an
ethical question.
One must wonder, since there are infinite naming possibilities available, why
any company (other than Parallax) would want to use the term Stamp? ·My guess
is that these companies (there are more guilty of this "crime" than
Systronix) are trying to infer Parallax's high quality onto their (possibly)
questionable products.
But that's just my (biased) opinion....
-- Jon Williams
-- Dallas, TX
-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
··* and I was a long-time customer before I became an employee[/font]
As someone new to the actual Parallax product line, I don't recall ever
running across any other processors using the word stamp. I also don't
recall finding to much on any other processor (other than the raw PIC's,
etc...) when searching. I think this speaks for itself.
If Parallax wanted to throw enough lawyers and money at it, they could get
the Stamp name.
Is this J-Stamp, as opposed to JStamp, the Stamp 3?
Original Message
> To whom? If you play a little word association game with people familiar
> with small micros, the word "Stamp" will certainly elicit "Parallax" or
> "BASIC Stamp" as a response (just like "Chevron" means "gasoline" to
people
> in the petrochemical industry). While others may legally use the term
> "Stamp" (since Parallax didn't trademark it early on), there certainly is
an
> ethical question.
>
> One must wonder, since there are infinite naming possibilities available,
why
> any company (other than Parallax) would want to use the term Stamp? My
guess
> is that these companies (there are more guilty of this "crime" than
> Systronix) are trying to infer Parallax's high quality onto their
(possibly)
> questionable products.
>
> To whom? If you play a little word association game with people familiar
> with small micros, the word "Stamp" will certainly elicit "Parallax" or
> "BASIC Stamp" as a response (just like "Chevron" means "gasoline" to people
> in the petrochemical industry). While others may legally use the term
> "Stamp" (since Parallax didn't trademark it early on), there certainly is an
> ethical question.
It's a legal one too. If basic stamp is trademarked, i would urge parallax
to issue a legal challenge against the company. It actually doesn't
terribly matter that much whether it was actually trademarked as long as
they can demonstrate prior use.
Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc. (ServNet)
Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma - Bremerton
email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
"...There's no moral, it's just a lot of stuff that happens". - H. Simpson
Cyrix and many others were riding Intels' coat-tails using numeric
designators (to name their processors) very similar to those used by
Intel.
--- In basicstamps@y..., "Sean T. Lamont .lost." <lamont@a...>
wrote:
> yOn Wed, 30 May 2001 jonwms@a... wrote:
>
> >
> > To whom? If you play a little word association game with people
familiar
> > with small micros, the word "Stamp" will certainly
elicit "Parallax" or
> > "BASIC Stamp" as a response (just like "Chevron" means "gasoline"
to people
> > in the petrochemical industry). While others may legally use the
term
> > "Stamp" (since Parallax didn't trademark it early on), there
certainly is an
> > ethical question.
>
> It's a legal one too. If basic stamp is trademarked, i would urge
parallax
> to issue a legal challenge against the company. It actually doesn't
> terribly matter that much whether it was actually trademarked as
long as
> they can demonstrate prior use.
>
>
> Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc.
(ServNet)
> Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma -
Bremerton
> email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
> "...There's no moral, it's just a lot of stuff that happens". - H.
Simpson
years ago. Some company in Chile trademarked the word 'Shoe' in their
country, and sued a US company for the use of the name 'shoe' in their
url. As I recall, the case was ultimately lost, but at the cost of
considerable attorney fees.
-Chilton
On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 01:58 PM, Sean T. Lamont .lost. wrote:
> It's a legal one too. If basic stamp is trademarked, i would urge
> parallax
> to issue a legal challenge against the company. It actually doesn't
> terribly matter that much whether it was actually trademarked as long as
> they can demonstrate prior use.
they could not copyright/trademark a number. AMD & Cryix would name
their devices the same as Intel, since they performed the same
function (and were in some cases pin-for-pin replacements). Intel
wanted to ensure that customers that bought a "586", bought an Intel
device.
--- In basicstamps@y..., iceninevt@y... wrote:
> Which explains why Intel called it a "Pentium" as opposed to a 586.
> Cyrix and many others were riding Intels' coat-tails using numeric
> designators (to name their processors) very similar to those used
by
> Intel.
>
> --- In basicstamps@y..., "Sean T. Lamont .lost." <lamont@a...>
> wrote:
> > yOn Wed, 30 May 2001 jonwms@a... wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > To whom? If you play a little word association game with
people
> familiar
> > > with small micros, the word "Stamp" will certainly
> elicit "Parallax" or
> > > "BASIC Stamp" as a response (just like "Chevron"
means "gasoline"
> to people
> > > in the petrochemical industry). While others may legally use
the
> term
> > > "Stamp" (since Parallax didn't trademark it early on), there
> certainly is an
> > > ethical question.
> >
> > It's a legal one too. If basic stamp is trademarked, i would urge
> parallax
> > to issue a legal challenge against the company. It actually
doesn't
> > terribly matter that much whether it was actually trademarked as
> long as
> > they can demonstrate prior use.
> >
> >
> > Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc.
> (ServNet)
> > Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma -
> Bremerton
> > email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
> > "...There's no moral, it's just a lot of stuff that happens". -
H.
> Simpson
this on the Jstamp webpage where they state that they are trying
to work things out with Parallax. They also state that they did a patent/
trademark search and found >300 other "stamp" microchip (eg: DOS stamp and
MicroStamp) products before they named it Jstamp.
you can read more of their take on it here:
http://jstamp.systronix.com/jstamp_conflict.htm
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Sean T. Lamont .lost. wrote:
> yOn Wed, 30 May 2001 jonwms@a... wrote:
>
> >
> > To whom? If you play a little word association game with people familiar
> > with small micros, the word "Stamp" will certainly elicit "Parallax" or
> > "BASIC Stamp" as a response (just like "Chevron" means "gasoline" to people
> > in the petrochemical industry). While others may legally use the term
> > "Stamp" (since Parallax didn't trademark it early on), there certainly is an
> > ethical question.
>
> It's a legal one too. If basic stamp is trademarked, i would urge parallax
> to issue a legal challenge against the company. It actually doesn't
> terribly matter that much whether it was actually trademarked as long as
> they can demonstrate prior use.
286 + 100 = 386
386 + 100 = 486
486 + 100 = 597
Original Message
> Intel began using names for their chips instead on numbers because
> they could not copyright/trademark a number. AMD & Cryix would name
> their devices the same as Intel, since they performed the same
> function (and were in some cases pin-for-pin replacements). Intel
> wanted to ensure that customers that bought a "586", bought an Intel
> device.
>
> Although as someone previously pointed out, there is information about
> this on the Jstamp webpage where they state that they are trying
> to work things out with Parallax. They also state that they did a patent/
> trademark search and found >300 other "stamp" microchip (eg: DOS stamp and
> MicroStamp) products before they named it Jstamp.
> you can read more of their take on it here:
> http://jstamp.systronix.com/jstamp_conflict.htm
>
Literally true but not entirely accurate. Of the 432 trademark claims
containing the word "Stamp", only 5 refer to electronic circuitry:
JSTAMP, MICROSTAMP, BASIC STAMP, DOS STAMP, ISTAMP.
All the other claims were for postage stamp, rubber stamp, etc
products.
Of those 5, the ISTAMP and DOS STAMP claims were abandoned. Of the
remaining 3, only MICROSTAMP and BASIC STAMP have registration
numbers.
I managed to find some useful information about the MicroStamp
product. It's not a microcontroller. It's more of a smartcard on
a chip.
So, what it boils down to is that the only microcontroller on the
market with a registered trademark using the word "Stamp" is in fact
owned by Parallax.
...at least as far as I could tell. Anyone know of any products that
I missed?
SD
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