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Phone dialler...

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-05-05 00:22 in General Discussion
Hello stampers,
Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system. We have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort of dialer if·a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do it easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial out but would prefer to use an approved product.
Chris

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-02 11:44
    At 5/2/2001 Wednesday 12:31 AM, Chris Anderson promulgated:
    >Hello stampers,
    >Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system. We
    >have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort of
    >dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do
    >it easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper
    >alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial out
    >but would prefer to use an approved product.
    >Chris
    Hi Chris -

    The cheapest alternative is to hack an old external modem. Short of that
    you may opt to use one of the Cermetek modems (CH1786 or similar). Parallax
    offers the CH1786 in an App Kit on their website (cat. no. #27947). Their web
    site can be found here [noparse][[/noparse] http://www.parallaxinc.com ]. Check the web site for
    details. I hope that helps.

    Regards,

    Bruce Bates
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-02 16:15
    The stamp will dial the phone using DTMFOUT. Couple the stamp to the
    phone line thru a transformer. Throw in a couple of zeners to protect
    the stamp from ring voltage. A 600 ohm - 600 ohm audio coupling
    transformer should do the trick. The phone line will need to go off-
    hook before the number is dialed. This switching can be done by a
    reed relay, if the relay is small enough a stamp pin could directly
    drive it. (there is an example of this on the Nuts&Volts website:
    www.nutsvolts.com, go to where the stamp stuff is in their FTP area)

    That is as bare bones as it gets.

    It would be desirable for the stamp to confirm the presence of dial
    tone before dials, it should recognize when it dials into a busy
    signal. (hang up, try again later) The stamp should also recognize
    the ringback tone, then wait for the phone to be answered. There
    would need to be a counter, ie: after a predetermined number of rings
    (no answer) the stamp hangs up.

    These are the three conditions the stamp would have to recognize.
    A-no dial tone
    B-busy signal
    C-ring limit exceeded, nobody home.

    Once the stamp determines that the call it is attempting to place
    will not go thru you might want to make it:

    A- retry the same number
    B- call another number

    The stamp could do most of this work, it doesn't seem that that much
    would be required as far as additional components go. The more of
    these tasks you allow external components to do, the more the stamp
    will be freed up. An interesting project. Good Luck.

    Rich


    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Chris Anderson" <fes@g...> wrote:
    > Hello stampers,
    > Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm
    system. We have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out
    thru some sort of dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a
    preset period. I can do it easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure
    there must be a cheaper alternative around somewhere. I know we can
    do the dtmf stuff and dial out but would prefer to use an approved
    product.
    > Chris
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-02 20:20
    Dear Chris,
    · Look at the Parallax cermetek kit.· it works well for your app as it is a simple modem module for interface to the bs2.·
    Mike Mocenter

    Original Message
    From: Chris Anderson
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:31 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Phone dialler...

    Hello stampers,
    Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system. We have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort of dialer if·a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do it easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial out but would prefer to use an approved product.
    Chris

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-03 01:22
    Several places sell genuine telephone interface transformers -- I think
    Jameco is one of them.

    Original Message


    > The stamp will dial the phone using DTMFOUT. Couple the stamp to the
    > phone line thru a transformer. Throw in a couple of zeners to protect
    > the stamp from ring voltage. A 600 ohm - 600 ohm audio coupling
    > transformer should do the trick.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-03 02:09
    Walmart has some transparent phones for about US$7-8. I've had the urge to
    buy one (you can see all the insides already) and connect the Stamp to the
    microphone -- maybe with a transformer. Then use a transistor to switch the
    hook and instant phone interface for $8... hmmm.. maybe that's a project of
    the month.

    Years ago I had TRS-80 MIII and I hooked the unused cassette interface to a
    phone along with a VS-1 speech synthesizer. I'd detect the "ring" from the
    cheap phone on the audio input of the cassette port. The cassette relay
    would switch the phone on and the cassette recorder on. I'd emit a message
    from the synthesizer (coupled with a transformer to the phone) and then
    record until the line went quiet (again with the cassette input).

    Of course, it would log the call's time/duration, etc.

    I hooked the thing up and tested it a few times and went to teach a night
    class. When I got back, the thing had like 250 messages on it! Rats, I
    thought... must be noise. Then the next day my girlfriend called (I was
    single back then) and said, "Who was that awful man answering your phone? I
    called and called and I never could understand what he was saying. I even
    got the operator to call and she couldn't understand it either. I denied
    everything of course and tore it all down. I couldn't imagine she had called
    almost 250 times!

    Regards,

    Al Williams
    AWC
    * 8 channels of PWM: http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak5.htm


    >
    Original Message
    > From: iceninevt@y... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=F6CUjFmNN7pAOLFCqNRAUTtxdrnr4d1ZEkiDs3JoGiIDYuafdwXJXqtHkx0TxIdGRfVRuAxlP0b3t1TtaQ]iceninevt@y...[/url
    > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:16 AM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Phone dialler...
    >
    >
    > The stamp will dial the phone using DTMFOUT. Couple the stamp to the
    > phone line thru a transformer. Throw in a couple of zeners to protect
    > the stamp from ring voltage. A 600 ohm - 600 ohm audio coupling
    > transformer should do the trick. The phone line will need to go off-
    > hook before the number is dialed. This switching can be done by a
    > reed relay, if the relay is small enough a stamp pin could directly
    > drive it. (there is an example of this on the Nuts&Volts website:
    > www.nutsvolts.com, go to where the stamp stuff is in their FTP area)
    >
    > That is as bare bones as it gets.
    >
    > It would be desirable for the stamp to confirm the presence of dial
    > tone before dials, it should recognize when it dials into a busy
    > signal. (hang up, try again later) The stamp should also recognize
    > the ringback tone, then wait for the phone to be answered. There
    > would need to be a counter, ie: after a predetermined number of rings
    > (no answer) the stamp hangs up.
    >
    > These are the three conditions the stamp would have to recognize.
    > A-no dial tone
    > B-busy signal
    > C-ring limit exceeded, nobody home.
    >
    > Once the stamp determines that the call it is attempting to place
    > will not go thru you might want to make it:
    >
    > A- retry the same number
    > B- call another number
    >
    > The stamp could do most of this work, it doesn't seem that that much
    > would be required as far as additional components go. The more of
    > these tasks you allow external components to do, the more the stamp
    > will be freed up. An interesting project. Good Luck.
    >
    > Rich
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., "Chris Anderson" <fes@g...> wrote:
    > > Hello stampers,
    > > Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm
    > system. We have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out
    > thru some sort of dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a
    > preset period. I can do it easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure
    > there must be a cheaper alternative around somewhere. I know we can
    > do the dtmf stuff and dial out but would prefer to use an approved
    > product.
    > > Chris
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-03 05:42
    phone line modem
    I made the project in the basic stamp manual(about a year ago)
    It worked great
    I had the stamp connect the phone line with 2 relays(seperate power supply)
    then it would call my pager and send me codes
    like "1010" meant the front door was opened
    and "1111" meant the back door was opened
    I also had some motion sensors hooked up too
    I had like 6 different codes(for six different senors)
    most of the time it took around a minute for
    the door to be opened till i got the page on my pager
    I have scanned the board for you to see(152K)
    http://64.255.5.198/modem.jpg
    I didn't spend to much to build it(maybe $15 or $20)
    i bought some parts at radio shack and ordered from digikey and jameco(i
    think)
    I know i bought 3 or 4 of each part(in case i was going to make a couple
    more)
    also I have the code somewhere and can answer more questions
    I have since moved and all my parts are in a box
    kevin


    At 5/2/2001 Wednesday 12:31 AM, Chris Anderson promulgated:
    >Hello stampers,
    >Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system. We
    >have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort of
    >dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do
    >it easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper
    >alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial out
    >but would prefer to use an approved product.
    >Chris







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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-04 12:13
    [font=arial,helvetica]In a message dated 5/3/01 10:40:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
    fes@gateway.net.au writes:


    Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system. We
    have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort of
    dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do it
    easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper
    alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial out
    but would prefer to use an approved product.



    There's the rub: "an approved product." ·The FCC gets testy about things
    connected to the telephone system. ·By using a commercial modem, you've got a
    pre-approved DAA built into it. ·The Cermetek modem module is a nice way to
    handle this in a very small package.

    [/font]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-04 12:28
    Jon,
    Thanks for your help, and to all the other replies.
    As I am thinking of a commercial application, the approval part is fairly important.
    The Cermetek looks good, but a bit pricey with the way our $ is compared to yours. I may still buy one though as I have a few other applications for them.

    Once again thanks.

    Also, do you have any quick code for bs2p40 to read into an 8 byte array from a ds1990a ibutton. I have been doing this with a bs2sx and a line driver and it works fine, it also does the ds1996 mem button easily, but I would like to keep it to 1 i/o. I heard that you spent some time at Dallas with them, and I can't buy Nuts and Volts here until they are 6 months old. DS1996 code would be nice also if you have anything.

    Regards, Chris

    Original Message
    From: jonwms@aol.com
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:13 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Phone dialler...

    [font=arial,helvetica]In a message dated 5/3/01 10:40:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
    fes@gateway.net.au writes:


    Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system. We
    have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort of
    dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do it
    easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper
    alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial out
    but would prefer to use an approved product.



    There's the rub: "an approved product." ·The FCC gets testy about things
    connected to the telephone system. ·By using a commercial modem, you've got a
    pre-approved DAA built into it. ·The Cermetek modem module is a nice way to
    handle this in a very small package.


    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

    [/font]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-04 17:16
    Hi Chris,
    I bought up a lifetime supply of 2400 baud modems that Shreve Systems
    has been advertising in N&V for $1 each. Can't beat that. I can't
    imagine what kind of deal Shreve got on them, to unload them at that
    price. It is the teleport bronze for Macintosh, very well made. (I
    paid $130 for one for my Mac, back a few years, when 2400 reigned
    supreme!)

    Note that Cermetek also has DAA devices, apart from modems. That
    would help you meet your approvals at a lower cost than a full modem.
    I don't know how Australian phone approvals differ from the U.S. (I
    hope it's not like British Telephone!!).

    -- regards,
    Tracy Allen
    electronically monitored ecosystems
    mailto:tracy@e...
    http://www.emesystems.com


    >Jon,
    >Thanks for your help, and to all the other replies.
    >As I am thinking of a commercial application, the approval part is
    >fairly important.
    >The Cermetek looks good, but a bit pricey with the way our $ is
    >compared to yours. I may still buy one though as I have a few other
    >applications for them.
    >
    >>Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system. We
    >>have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort of
    >>dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do it
    >>easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper
    >>alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial out
    >>but would prefer to use an approved product.
    >>
    >There's the rub: "an approved product." The FCC gets testy about things
    >connected to the telephone system. By using a commercial modem, you've got a
    >pre-approved DAA built into it. The Cermetek modem module is a nice way to
    >handle this in a very small package.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-04 20:08
    Depending on the quantity you are looking for, EBay is a great source
    for external modems. I've bought three on EBay and haven't paid more
    than $10 total, including shipping.

    Good luck!

    -- Jeff Wallace
    -- Add a RTC, EEPROM and an I2C bus to your STAMP with the TimeKeeper!
    --{ www.high-techgarage.com }--


    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Chris Anderson" <fes@g...> wrote:
    > Hello stampers,
    > Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm
    system. We have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out
    thru some sort of dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a
    preset period. I can do it easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure
    there must be a cheaper alternative around somewhere. I know we can
    do the dtmf stuff and dial out but would prefer to use an approved
    product.
    > Chris
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-05-05 00:22
    Tracy,
    2400 would be fine in this application as it only sends a few bytes out to
    an alarm monitor, it does'nt really need to receive anything. Also it would
    still suit the bs1. I will do some searching..
    Many thanks.
    Chris

    Original Message
    From: Tracy Allen <tracy@e...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:16 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Phone dialler...


    > Hi Chris,
    > I bought up a lifetime supply of 2400 baud modems that Shreve Systems
    > has been advertising in N&V for $1 each. Can't beat that. I can't
    > imagine what kind of deal Shreve got on them, to unload them at that
    > price. It is the teleport bronze for Macintosh, very well made. (I
    > paid $130 for one for my Mac, back a few years, when 2400 reigned
    > supreme!)
    >
    > Note that Cermetek also has DAA devices, apart from modems. That
    > would help you meet your approvals at a lower cost than a full modem.
    > I don't know how Australian phone approvals differ from the U.S. (I
    > hope it's not like British Telephone!!).
    >
    > -- regards,
    > Tracy Allen
    > electronically monitored ecosystems
    > mailto:tracy@e...
    > http://www.emesystems.com
    >
    >
    > >Jon,
    > >Thanks for your help, and to all the other replies.
    > >As I am thinking of a commercial application, the approval part is
    > >fairly important.
    > >The Cermetek looks good, but a bit pricey with the way our $ is
    > >compared to yours. I may still buy one though as I have a few other
    > >applications for them.
    > >
    > >>Can anybody help me with a phone dialer for a dead simple alarm system.
    We
    > >>have a PIR hooked to a bs2, and simply want to dial out thru some sort
    of
    > >>dialer if a stamp pin stays high for more than a preset period. I can do
    it
    > >>easily with a standard modem, but I'm sure there must be a cheaper
    > >>alternative around somewhere. I know we can do the dtmf stuff and dial
    out
    > >>but would prefer to use an approved product.
    > >>
    > >There's the rub: "an approved product." The FCC gets testy about things
    > >connected to the telephone system. By using a commercial modem, you've
    got a
    > >pre-approved DAA built into it. The Cermetek modem module is a nice way
    to
    > >handle this in a very small package.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    >
    >
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