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transformer question

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-04-28 22:34 in General Discussion
I'm using a Radio Shack 120 to 12 volt AC transformer. I've connected the
center tap on the secondary to one of the leads on the secondary in order to
halve the output voltage to 6v. The transformer casing is getting quite
warm, even hot. I have a 3k load attached to it, so I figure I'm drawing
around 2mA, which isn't too much current.

Is it normal for a transformer to get hot?

--Craig

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-04-23 06:18
    Craig:
    It's getting hot because you are shorting half the output windings. Just
    use the center tap and *either* of the secondary connections.

    Ray McArthur

    Original Message
    From: Craig Lefkowitz <craig.lefkowitz@m...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:06 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] transformer question


    > I'm using a Radio Shack 120 to 12 volt AC transformer. I've connected the
    > center tap on the secondary to one of the leads on the secondary in order
    to
    > halve the output voltage to 6v. The transformer casing is getting quite
    > warm, even hot. I have a 3k load attached to it, so I figure I'm drawing
    > around 2mA, which isn't too much current.
    >
    > Is it normal for a transformer to get hot?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-04-28 21:52
    Thanks. That did the trick!

    The spec sheet for the transformer suggests to connect it in the way I had
    it (short half the secondary). But it seems that is not a good thing. Is
    there any merit in connecting it in that configuration, or is this just a
    Radio Scrap blunder?

    Here is the spec from Radio Shack:

    12VAC CT UL Transformer
    (273-1365) Hints and Tips Faxback Doc. # 34679


    Q: What is the function of the three wires?

    A: The secondary of this unit has two common colors and another color in
    the middle. The two outside carry the combined voltage output of
    12V. By connecting the middle wire with one of the other wires, the
    voltage is then split in half.


    --Craig


    Original Message
    From: Ray McArthur [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=bax_BOmNPXdUpwal7TiWT0xUtqFgW0i-N-eWtJraKoS3Y_D7Xw6r7HFfLA9shgBZs8X96DKVKUCH7A]rjmca@u...[/url
    Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:19 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] transformer question


    Craig:
    It's getting hot because you are shorting half the output windings. Just
    use the center tap and *either* of the secondary connections.

    Ray McArthur

    Original Message
    From: Craig Lefkowitz <craig.lefkowitz@m...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:06 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] transformer question


    > I'm using a Radio Shack 120 to 12 volt AC transformer. I've connected the
    > center tap on the secondary to one of the leads on the secondary in order
    to
    > halve the output voltage to 6v. The transformer casing is getting quite
    > warm, even hot. I have a 3k load attached to it, so I figure I'm drawing
    > around 2mA, which isn't too much current.
    >
    > Is it normal for a transformer to get hot?






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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-04-28 22:34
    I think this is just bad writing.

    I think what the phrase "By connecting the middle wire with one of the other
    wires" means is

    You'll connect two wires to two points in your circuit (often a rectifier).
    If the two wires you use are the end wires, the transformer will provide
    12V. If the two wires you use are either end wire and the center wire, the
    transformer will deliver 6V. In that case, one end wire will not be
    connected to anything.

    I don't think they meant to say connect the middle wire _to_ one of the end
    wires.

    I can tell you first hand, trying to be clear about something like this when
    you know what you mean and the reader doesn't is a tough job.

    If you are building a power supply with +/- supplies, you might ground the
    center tap and use the transformer for +/- 6V.

    Transformers deal with AC which can be tricky. For example, if you plan to
    put connect transformers together, you must observe the phasing or the
    transformers will not have the desired boost (or buck) effect. When reading
    schematics where this matters you'll see black dots on either side of the
    transformer symbol. If the dots are both near the top of the coil, the
    output is in phase with the input. If the dot on the primary is at the top
    and the secondary dot is at the bottom, then the output is out of phase.

    Most of the time you don't care, but if you are connecting transformers
    together, or depending on them for a phase shift (for example, in an
    Armstrong oscillator) it will matter and the designer should know that and
    specify it on the drawings.

    Regards,

    Al Williams
    AWC
    *NEW: Floating point A/D: http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak9.htm





    >
    Original Message
    > From: Craig Lefkowitz [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=W989dKKjMyef56qWDEf9UPOrJt6YMsaSBPrhzs83jsXxhMkbmslsu8uBs7NMgW7kli5b_9BbSmCQixxDfys-cxodKuc2W6_c]craig.lefkowitz@m...[/url
    > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:53 PM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] transformer question
    >
    >
    > Thanks. That did the trick!
    >
    > The spec sheet for the transformer suggests to connect it in the way I had
    > it (short half the secondary). But it seems that is not a good thing. Is
    > there any merit in connecting it in that configuration, or is this just a
    > Radio Scrap blunder?
    >
    > Here is the spec from Radio Shack:
    >
    > 12VAC CT UL Transformer
    > (273-1365) Hints and Tips Faxback Doc. # 34679
    >
    >
    > Q: What is the function of the three wires?
    >
    > A: The secondary of this unit has two common colors and another color in
    > the middle. The two outside carry the combined voltage output of
    > 12V. By connecting the middle wire with one of the other wires, the
    > voltage is then split in half.
    >
    >
    > --Craig
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Ray McArthur [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=csUdirKEAAq7lO8BIc3pmIWlUjiDkVJiCoElD_w9UEFSPXxXYnKASalrdfqymJloaIQbUaqMBWefmQo]rjmca@u...[/url
    > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:19 AM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] transformer question
    >
    >
    > Craig:
    > It's getting hot because you are shorting half the output windings. Just
    > use the center tap and *either* of the secondary connections.
    >
    > Ray McArthur
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Craig Lefkowitz <craig.lefkowitz@m...>
    > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:06 AM
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] transformer question
    >
    >
    > > I'm using a Radio Shack 120 to 12 volt AC transformer. I've
    > connected the
    > > center tap on the secondary to one of the leads on the
    > secondary in order
    > to
    > > halve the output voltage to 6v. The transformer casing is getting quite
    > > warm, even hot. I have a 3k load attached to it, so I figure
    > I'm drawing
    > > around 2mA, which isn't too much current.
    > >
    > > Is it normal for a transformer to get hot?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    >
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