PCB and Protel 99 SE

Archiver · 2001-04-03 14:42

Hello everybody,

I downloaded Protel 99 SE trial ver last night to play with it and
eventually get some PCB drawing done. But, am having some trouble
using and even understanding the concept of PCB. I basically want to
design the PCB layout with BS2 and few other components on it (single
sided only). I'm totally ignorant of this whole PCB subject.

How do I place a component that matches BS2 pin numbers, dimensions,
etc. What I found in the components library was a 24 pin IC. I placed
it on the PCB layout, but, the pin dimensions (distance apart, etc)
are not changeable.

Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very appreciated.
Please help

thanks in advance
nagi

Archiver · 2001-04-03 15:18

The BS2 is a 24-pin IC with 0.600" pin spacing. Most other chips are 0.300
spacing. You should be able to find another template for the wider chip.

Original Message

> I downloaded Protel 99 SE trial ver last night to play with it and
> eventually get some PCB drawing done. But, am having some trouble
> using and even understanding the concept of PCB. I basically want to
> design the PCB layout with BS2 and few other components on it (single
> sided only). I'm totally ignorant of this whole PCB subject.
>
> How do I place a component that matches BS2 pin numbers, dimensions,
> etc. What I found in the components library was a 24 pin IC. I placed
> it on the PCB layout, but, the pin dimensions (distance apart, etc)
> are not changeable.

Archiver · 2001-04-03 15:30

RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCB and Protel 99 SE

Thanks.
Any resources or other tools that provide the template? What is the tool that you guys usually use?

Please advise.

thanks
nagi

Original Message

From: Rodent [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:daweasel@swbell.net]mailto:daweasel@swbell.net[/url
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:18 AM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCB and Protel 99 SE

The BS2 is a 24-pin IC with 0.600" pin spacing. Most other chips are 0.300
spacing. You should be able to find another template for the wider chip.

Original Message

> I downloaded Protel 99 SE trial ver last night to play with it and
> eventually get some PCB drawing done. But, am having some trouble
> using and even understanding the concept of PCB. I basically want to
> design the PCB layout with BS2 and few other components on it (single
> sided only). I'm totally ignorant of this whole PCB subject.
>
> How do I place a component that matches BS2 pin numbers, dimensions,
> etc. What I found in the components library was a 24 pin IC. I placed
> it on the PCB layout, but, the pin dimensions (distance apart, etc)
> are not changeable.

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Archiver · 2001-04-03 20:46

Nagi,
I sent out a request for developed libraries for the Parallax products,
last week. I don't think most hobbyists that are using stamps are using
Protel. It is an expensive product and has a somewhat lengthy learning
curve. To use the PCB development in the way that it was intended, you must
develop both the schematic and PCB libraries. I will eventually do this for
the BS1 and BS2's. If you simply want to hand route a board, you can use a
24 pin DIP footprint and manually route the board. This will allow you to
create camera ready artwork or gerber files. If this is a one of a kind
thing, as much as I like the Protel system, I'd recommend that you use one
of the many freeware, shareware, or cheaper electronic CAD systems.
Mike

At 01:42 PM 4/3/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello everybody,
>
>I downloaded Protel 99 SE trial ver last night to play with it and
>eventually get some PCB drawing done. But, am having some trouble
>using and even understanding the concept of PCB. I basically want to
>design the PCB layout with BS2 and few other components on it (single
>sided only). I'm totally ignorant of this whole PCB subject.
>
>How do I place a component that matches BS2 pin numbers, dimensions,
>etc. What I found in the components library was a 24 pin IC. I placed
>it on the PCB layout, but, the pin dimensions (distance apart, etc)
>are not changeable.
>
>Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
>tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very appreciated.
>Please help
>
>thanks in advance
>nagi
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

_________________________________
Mike Walsh
walsh@i...

Archiver · 2001-04-03 23:59

I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
three designs and have been very pleased with the results.

Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php

--Jeff Wallace
--{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
--{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--

> Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
> tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
appreciated.
> Please help
>
> thanks in advance
> nagi

Archiver · 2001-04-04 00:06

I,also use expresspcb.
and I Have no complaints, the software is really user friendly. and the
price is right 3 mini boards 2.5''x3.8'' $59.00 delivered.
what a deal.
victor

Original Message

From: <bs2web@y...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:59 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>
> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>
> --Jeff Wallace
> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>
> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
> appreciated.
> > Please help
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > nagi
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Archiver · 2001-04-04 14:07

RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

thank you everybody.

I shall take a look at expressPCB and probably bug you guys again with more questions
[noparse]:)[/noparse]

thanks a lot
nagi

Original Message

From: victor Faria [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:victorf@gis.net]mailto:victorf@gis.net[/url
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:06 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

I,also use expresspcb.
and I Have no complaints, the software is really user friendly. and the
price is right 3 mini boards 2.5''x3.8'' $59.00 delivered.
what a deal.
victor

Original Message

From: <bs2web@yahoo.com>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:59 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>
> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>
> --Jeff Wallace
> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>
> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
> appreciated.
> > Please help
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > nagi
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

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Archiver · 2001-04-05 18:16

Hi Jeff,

I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I find it easy to use, and
all standard functions are present.
Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The problem is the printout : I
get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots are printed as well.
I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print layouts without
background nor grid dots ?
Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...

Thanks

Phil.

Original Message

From: <bs2web@y...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>
> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>
> --Jeff Wallace
> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>
> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
> appreciated.
> > Please help
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > nagi
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Archiver · 2001-04-05 18:45

Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this problem of the
express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be published however. To get
around this limitation,
1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set your traces to
black background, Set your border to black also.
2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
3) paste the capture into a photo editing program (lviewpro)
4) print out the captured image to the correct size. ( photo printer)
I use lview pro for my photo editing program and use Photo printer, to
print my images to the correct size. Both of these are available on my
website at [url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]
If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send you more detailed steps.
Kerry
admin@m...

At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Jeff,
>
>I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I find it easy to use, and
>all standard functions are present.
>Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The problem is the printout : I
>get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots are printed as well.
>I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print layouts without
>background nor grid dots ?
>Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
>
>Thanks
>
>Phil.
>
>

Original Message

>From: <bs2web@y...>
>To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
>Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
>
>> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
>> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
>> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
>> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>>
>> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>>
>> --Jeff Wallace
>> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
>> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>>
>> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
>> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
>> appreciated.
>> > Please help
>> >
>> > thanks in advance
>> > nagi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Sincerely
Kerry
Admin@M...
WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
Kerry Barlow
p.o. box 21
kirkwood ny
13795

Archiver · 2001-04-05 18:53

RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

can't we send a bug report out to ExpressPCB and have them fix this instead? Or, was this done intentionally so we could not print our own PCB?

thanks
nagi

Original Message

From: Kerry Barlow [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:admin@mntnweb.com]mailto:admin@mntnweb.com[/url
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:45 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this problem of the
express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be published however. To get
around this limitation,
1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set your traces to
black background, Set your border to black also.
2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
3) paste the capture into a photo editing program (lviewpro)
4) print out the captured image to the correct size. ( photo printer)
· I use lview pro for my photo editing program and use Photo printer, to
print my images to the correct size. Both of these are available on my
website at [url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]
·If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send you more detailed steps.
Kerry
admin@mntnweb.com

At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Jeff,
>
>I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I find it easy to use, and
>all standard functions are present.
>Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The problem is the printout : I
>get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots are printed as well.
>I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print layouts without
>background nor grid dots ?
>Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
>
>Thanks
>
>Phil.
>
>

Original Message

>From: <bs2web@yahoo.com>
>To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
>Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
>
>> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
>> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
>> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
>> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>>
>> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>>
>> --Jeff Wallace
>> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
>> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>>
>> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
>> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
>> appreciated.
>> > Please help
>> >
>> > thanks in advance
>> > nagi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Sincerely
Kerry
Admin@MntnWeb.Com
WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
Kerry Barlow
p.o. box 21
kirkwood ny
13795

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Archiver · 2001-04-05 18:58

RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
I heard this was intentional to "encourage" you to have them make the boards for you.... they give you the software for free, but they want the revenuse from making the boards. :-)

Original Message

From: Babu, Nagi -*Contractor
To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

can't we send a bug report out to ExpressPCB and have them fix this instead? Or, was this done intentionally so we could not print our own PCB?

thanks
nagi

Original Message

From: Kerry Barlow [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:admin@mntnweb.com]mailto:admin@mntnweb.com[/url
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:45 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this problem of the
express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be published however. To get
around this limitation,
1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set your traces to
black background, Set your border to black also.
2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
3) paste the capture into a photo editing program (lviewpro)
4) print out the captured image to the correct size. ( photo printer)
· I use lview pro for my photo editing program and use Photo printer, to
print my images to the correct size. Both of these are available on my
website at [url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]
·If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send you more detailed steps.
Kerry
admin@mntnweb.com

At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Jeff,
>
>I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I find it easy to use, and
>all standard functions are present.
>Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The problem is the printout : I
>get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots are printed as well.
>I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print layouts without
>background nor grid dots ?
>Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
>
>Thanks
>
>Phil.
>
>

Original Message

>From: <bs2web@yahoo.com>
>To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
>Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
>
>> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
>> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
>> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
>> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>>
>> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>>
>> --Jeff Wallace
>> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
>> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>>
>> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
>> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
>> appreciated.
>> > Please help
>> >
>> > thanks in advance
>> > nagi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Sincerely
Kerry
Admin@MntnWeb.Com
WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
Kerry Barlow
p.o. box 21
kirkwood ny
13795

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Archiver · 2001-04-05 18:58

Nagi: I think it was done intentionally, Express PCB is in the business of
manufacturing PCB boards. It is nice they have the usefull free software
however.

At 12:53 PM 4/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>can't we send a bug report out to ExpressPCB and have them fix this instead?
>Or, was this done intentionally so we could not print our own PCB?
>
>thanks
>nagi
>
>

Original Message

>From: Kerry Barlow [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=-W7wSNUuHglNzqBLnkgGRYAXXfwGznrJkWllib3qe3OUN1D4fP_ZGGdtIsd2MZUagO0BQhMG1OB4]admin@m...[/url
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:45 PM
>To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
>
>Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this problem of the
>express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be published however. To get
>around this limitation,
>1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set your traces to
>black background, Set your border to black also.
>2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
>3) paste the capture into a photo editing program (lviewpro)
>4) print out the captured image to the correct size. ( photo printer)
> I use lview pro for my photo editing program and use Photo printer, to
>print my images to the correct size. Both of these are available on my
>website at [url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]
> If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send you more detailed
>steps.
>Kerry
>admin@m...
>
>
>
>At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>>Hi Jeff,
>>
>>I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I find it easy to use, and
>>all standard functions are present.
>>Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The problem is the printout : I
>>get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots are printed as well.
>>I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print layouts without
>>background nor grid dots ?
>>Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Phil.
>>
>>

Original Message

>>From: <bs2web@y...>
>>To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
>>Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>>
>>
>>> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
>>> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
>>> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
>>> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>>>
>>> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>>>
>>> --Jeff Wallace
>>> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
>>> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>>>
>>> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
>>> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
>>> appreciated.
>>> > Please help
>>> >
>>> > thanks in advance
>>> > nagi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>Sincerely
>Kerry
>Admin@M...
>WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
>Kerry Barlow
>p.o. box 21
>kirkwood ny
>13795
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>can't we send a bug report out to ExpressPCB and have them
fix this instead? Or, was this done intentionally so we could not print our
own PCB?
>
>thanks
> nagi
>
>
>

Original Message

> From: Kerry Barlow [noparse][[/noparse]<A
HREF="mailto:admin@m...">mailto:admin@m...</A>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:45 PM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
> 
>
>Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this
problem of the
> express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be
published however. To get
> around this limitation,
> 1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set
your traces to
> black background, Set your border to black also.
> 2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
> 3) paste the capture into a photo editing program
(lviewpro)
> 4) print out the captured image to the correct size. (
photo printer)
> I use lview pro for my photo editing program and
use Photo printer, to
> print my images to the correct size. Both of these are
available on my
> website at <A HREF="[url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]"
TARGET="_blank">[url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]</A>
> If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send
you more detailed steps.
> Kerry
> admin@m...
>
> 
> 
>
>At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi Jeff,
> >
> >I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I
find it easy to use, and
> >all standard functions are present.
> >Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The
problem is the printout : I
> >get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots
are printed as well.
> >I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print
layouts without
> >background nor grid dots ?
> >Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Phil.
> >
> >

Original Message

> >From: <bs2web@y...>
> >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
> >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
> >
> >
> >> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is
a free download
> >> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your
design for
> >> manufacturing over the web. I've used their
miniboard service for
> >> three designs and have been very pleased with the
results.
> >>
> >> Details of the designs are at
www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
> >>
> >> --Jeff Wallace
> >> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
> >> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
> >>
> >> > Please help. If you guys can even point me
to a simpler PCB design
> >> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will
be very very
> >> appreciated.
> >> > Please help
> >> >
> >> > thanks in advance
> >> > nagi
> >>
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Archiver · 2001-04-05 18:59

RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

I agree.

thanks
nagi

Original Message

From: Kerry Barlow [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:admin@mntnweb.com]mailto:admin@mntnweb.com[/url
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:59 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

Nagi: I think it was done intentionally, Express PCB is in the business of
manufacturing PCB boards. It is nice they have the usefull free software
however.

At 12:53 PM 4/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>can't we send a bug report out to ExpressPCB and have them fix this instead?
>Or, was this done intentionally so we could not print our own PCB?
>
>thanks
>nagi
>
>

Original Message

>From: Kerry Barlow [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:admin@mntnweb.com]mailto:admin@mntnweb.com[/url
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:45 PM
>To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
>
>Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this problem of the
>express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be published however. To get
>around this limitation,
>1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set your traces to
>black background, Set your border to black also.
>2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
>3) paste the capture into a photo editing program (lviewpro)
>4) print out the captured image to the correct size. ( photo printer)
>· I use lview pro for my photo editing program and use Photo printer, to
>print my images to the correct size. Both of these are available on my
>website at [url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]
> If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send you more detailed
>steps.
>Kerry
>admin@mntnweb.com
>
>
>
>At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>>Hi Jeff,
>>
>>I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I find it easy to use, and
>>all standard functions are present.
>>Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The problem is the printout : I
>>get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots are printed as well.
>>I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print layouts without
>>background nor grid dots ?
>>Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Phil.
>>
>>

Original Message

>>From: <bs2web@yahoo.com>
>>To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
>>Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>>
>>
>>> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
>>> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
>>> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
>>> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>>>
>>> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>>>
>>> --Jeff Wallace
>>> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
>>> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>>>
>>> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
>>> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
>>> appreciated.
>>> > Please help
>>> >
>>> > thanks in advance
>>> > nagi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>>
>>
>Sincerely
>Kerry
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>can't we send a bug report out to ExpressPCB and have them
fix this instead? Or, was this done intentionally so we could not print our
own PCB?
>
>thanks
> nagi
>
>
>

Original Message

> From: Kerry Barlow [noparse][[/noparse]<A
HREF="mailto:admin@mntnweb.com">mailto:admin@mntnweb.com</A>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:45 PM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
> 
>
>Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this
problem of the
> express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be
published however. To get
> around this limitation,
> 1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set
your traces to
> black background, Set your border to black also.
> 2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
> 3) paste the capture into a photo editing program
(lviewpro)
> 4) print out the captured image to the correct size. (
photo printer)
> I use lview pro for my photo editing program and
use Photo printer, to
> print my images to the correct size. Both of these are
available on my
> website at <A HREF="[url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]"
TARGET="_blank">[url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]</A>
> If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send
you more detailed steps.
> Kerry
> admin@mntnweb.com
>
> 
> 
>
>At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi Jeff,
> >
> >I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I
find it easy to use, and
> >all standard functions are present.
> >Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The
problem is the printout : I
> >get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots
are printed as well.
> >I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print
layouts without
> >background nor grid dots ?
> >Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Phil.
> >
> >

Original Message

> >From: <bs2web@yahoo.com>
> >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
> >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
> >
> >
> >> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is
a free download
> >> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your
design for
> >> manufacturing over the web. I've used their
miniboard service for
> >> three designs and have been very pleased with the
results.
> >>
> >> Details of the designs are at
www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
> >>
> >> --Jeff Wallace
> >> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
> >> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
> >>
> >> > Please help. If you guys can even point me
to a simpler PCB design
> >> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will
be very very
> >> appreciated.
> >> > Please help
> >> >
> >> > thanks in advance
> >> > nagi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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HREF="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"
TARGET="_blank">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/</A>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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> >
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HREF="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"
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> >
> >
> Sincerely
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Archiver · 2001-04-05 22:58

I don't know if anyone has answered your question yet
but you can try expressPCB. I have not used it yet
but I have downloaded the software.
They have free PCB software and if you stay within
there guidelines you can get 3 Double sided PCB's for
$59.
Download their software for free at www.expresspcb.com

--- nags@c... wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I downloaded Protel 99 SE trial ver last night to
> play with it and
> eventually get some PCB drawing done. But, am having
> some trouble
> using and even understanding the concept of PCB. I
> basically want to
> design the PCB layout with BS2 and few other
> components on it (single
> sided only). I'm totally ignorant of this whole PCB
> subject.
>
> How do I place a component that matches BS2 pin
> numbers, dimensions,
> etc. What I found in the components library was a 24
> pin IC. I placed
> it on the PCB layout, but, the pin dimensions
> (distance apart, etc)
> are not changeable.
>
> Please help. If you guys can even point me to a
> simpler PCB design
> tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very
> very appreciated.
> Please help
>
> thanks in advance
> nagi
>
>
>
>
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Archiver · 2001-04-06 17:43

RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
I think the second option is the good one...

Phil.

Original Message

From: Babu, Nagi -*Contractor
To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:53 PM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

can't we send a bug report out to ExpressPCB and have them fix this instead? Or, was this done intentionally so we could not print our own PCB?

thanks
nagi

Original Message

From: Kerry Barlow [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:admin@mntnweb.com]mailto:admin@mntnweb.com[/url
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:45 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this problem of the
express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be published however. To get
around this limitation,
1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set your traces to
black background, Set your border to black also.
2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
3) paste the capture into a photo editing program (lviewpro)
4) print out the captured image to the correct size. ( photo printer)
· I use lview pro for my photo editing program and use Photo printer, to
print my images to the correct size. Both of these are available on my
website at [url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]
·If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send you more detailed steps.
Kerry
admin@mntnweb.com

At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Jeff,
>
>I downloaded ExpressPCB yesterday, and tried it. I find it easy to use, and
>all standard functions are present.
>Now I'd like to use it to make my own PCBs. The problem is the printout : I
>get the layout on a gray background, and the grid dots are printed as well.
>I can't use it like this. Is there a trick to print layouts without
>background nor grid dots ?
>Or maybe there is another freeware to do the job...
>
>Thanks
>
>Phil.
>
>

Original Message

>From: <bs2web@yahoo.com>
>To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:59 AM
>Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE
>
>
>> I have had great success with ExpressPCB which is a free download
>> from www.expresspcb.com. You can even submit your design for
>> manufacturing over the web. I've used their miniboard service for
>> three designs and have been very pleased with the results.
>>
>> Details of the designs are at www.high-techgarage.com/products.php
>>
>> --Jeff Wallace
>> --{ www.High-TechGarage.com }--
>> --{ Why park your STAMP anywhere else? }--
>>
>> > Please help. If you guys can even point me to a simpler PCB design
>> > tool that you have used for BS2, that will be very very
>> appreciated.
>> > Please help
>> >
>> > thanks in advance
>> > nagi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Sincerely
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Admin@MntnWeb.Com
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Archiver · 2001-04-07 09:31

Hi Kerry,

Many thanks for this idea. I think it's the only way to print something that
I can use. As I've seen in other messages, this must be a trick to encourage
you to have them make the boards for you...
I'll try your way !
Thanks again.
Phil.

Original Message

From: "Kerry Barlow" <admin@m...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: PCB and Protel 99 SE

> Phil: I have written an article for N&V addressing this problem of the
> express PCB printout. I dont know when it will be published however. To
get
> around this limitation,
> 1) Turn all corners, component details, grid etc off, set your traces to
> black background, Set your border to black also.
> 2) take a screen capture (prt scrn key)
> 3) paste the capture into a photo editing program (lviewpro)
> 4) print out the captured image to the correct size. ( photo printer)
> I use lview pro for my photo editing program and use Photo printer, to
> print my images to the correct size. Both of these are available on my
> website at [url=Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm]Http://MntnWeb.Com/Software.htm[/url]
> If you wish, write me off the list, and I will send you more detailed
steps.
> Kerry
> admin@m...
>

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