A different option?
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I like and use Stamps. They are simple, well designed and consistently
supported by Parallax.
They got me started with microcontrollers.
However, I have been itching to try programming other PICs but lack the
courage and the time (mostly the courage), to learn assembly.
I probably shouldn't ask this here: but has anyone like me tried the
Basicmicro "Windows IDE" ? www.basicmicro.com/products/index.html
Sean
seangib@h...
supported by Parallax.
They got me started with microcontrollers.
However, I have been itching to try programming other PICs but lack the
courage and the time (mostly the courage), to learn assembly.
I probably shouldn't ask this here: but has anyone like me tried the
Basicmicro "Windows IDE" ? www.basicmicro.com/products/index.html
Sean
seangib@h...
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as full featured as MELabs Basic, but not $250 either. They have a very nice
lite version on the site that will program a PIC 16F84 (18 pins, 1K, 1
timer, interrupts, 4 or 20 mhz versions about $5.00 each) and allow you to
write up to 30 lines of code. Doesn't sound like much, but you can put as
many commands on a line as you like separating them with a :
I have purchased the Pro version of LETBasic and like what I see so far. It
is due for a major upgrade release in the next few weeks. I like it. I also
am a licensed user of MELabs PICBasic Pro, but am frustrated with their
crazy update and bug fix policy.
Tim
[noparse][[/noparse]Denver, CO]
> I like and use Stamps. They are simple, well designed and consistently
> supported by Parallax.
> They got me started with microcontrollers.
>
> However, I have been itching to try programming other PICs but lack the
> courage and the time (mostly the courage), to learn assembly.
>
> I probably shouldn't ask this here: but has anyone like me tried the
> Basicmicro "Windows IDE" ? www.basicmicro.com/products/index.html
>
> Sean
> seangib@h...
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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For real time saving, use a PIC C compiler.
Dennis
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From: Sean Gibson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=RLyJipyrk4EDL5fskuvotMaLxPrS8SMTbCHsLE533bd57YFAMA6aT98pzTg7rd--Q6KLUjh5r-Aa5Uk]seangib@h...[/url
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:31 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
I like and use Stamps. They are simple, well designed and consistently
supported by Parallax.
They got me started with microcontrollers.
However, I have been itching to try programming other PICs but lack the
courage and the time (mostly the courage), to learn assembly.
I probably shouldn't ask this here: but has anyone like me tried the
Basicmicro "Windows IDE" ? www.basicmicro.com/products/index.html
Sean
seangib@h...
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know C.
Tim
[noparse][[/noparse]Denver, CO]
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> From: Dennis P. O'Leary [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=XigwAG35edq3cNn0HyUV8IUJ0CivDN42orYzHvbbW0rQqtwWgseNWOzbqUk6sHJczbz8mNrK8-y7oGl5]doleary@h...[/url
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:36 PM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
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> Sean,
>
> For real time saving, use a PIC C compiler.
>
> Dennis
>
>
Original Message
> From: Sean Gibson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=1XLhIyR4m2Gs6GcIIs62Rmb9hCMm1gCWV6lmvHlmAhUkqY1lGhNrr3DkHP0Dkm90tkLwmbZUQLbDww]seangib@h...[/url
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:31 PM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
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> I like and use Stamps. They are simple, well designed and consistently
> supported by Parallax.
> They got me started with microcontrollers.
>
> However, I have been itching to try programming other PICs but lack the
> courage and the time (mostly the courage), to learn assembly.
>
> I probably shouldn't ask this here: but has anyone like me tried the
> Basicmicro "Windows IDE" ? www.basicmicro.com/products/index.html
>
> Sean
> seangib@h...
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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products as well as the tech support. The compiler is designed to be expandable,
you can add user defined commands to PICmicro Basic PRO. A really nice PIC to
check out is the PIC16F872 it runs at 20mhz has 2k of program
memory, 20 I/O lines 5 of which can be used as 10 bit A/D and costs about $3.50
for about $9 you can get the PIC16F876 it has all of the same but with 8k of
program memory and a few more goodies.
You can't beat the Basic stamp for ease of use but if you need to build 20 of
something they get very expensive that's where the PIC's come in handy.
Craig
> I probably shouldn't ask this here: but has anyone like me tried the
> Basicmicro "Windows IDE" ? www.basicmicro.com/products/index.html
>
> Sean
> seangib@h...
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I didn't know C, but went that route anyway. A good compiler comes with
many code examples. Those along with any book on C (C++ is neither used nor
necessary), made a short learning curve. If you know Basic, the logic is
the same.
Dennis
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From: Tim Goldstein [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=w3hiSPvfl9CPnFHD6sA27ZQjqqBoXSQMeeINelaaIXQ4Cvw2j7NVpqwPDenHigugbELOZdp0-wZuCo_BBD6k]timg@k...[/url
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:58 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
Not much of a time saving if you already know Basic (used Stamps) and don't
know C.
Tim
[noparse][[/noparse]Denver, CO]
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Original Message
> From: Dennis P. O'Leary [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=kHNjOaLJV1Fgh9QT1NK6ZX0_9e003dh6AWd3vk5FcclSUI_f9ASzPu4AJHiv5QTaPKlLSCNrd0p_]doleary@h...[/url
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:36 PM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
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> Sean,
>
> For real time saving, use a PIC C compiler.
>
> Dennis
>
>
Original Message
> From: Sean Gibson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=XIq0GaCNMqKNNUzlmH8E4REcdvR3mXXF_7_ELEnUfqGbZWHNsXYr7FNYP9CJdvmRG2T5VbfcXmmBjTw]seangib@h...[/url
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:31 PM
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
>
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> I like and use Stamps. They are simple, well designed and consistently
> supported by Parallax.
> They got me started with microcontrollers.
>
> However, I have been itching to try programming other PICs but lack the
> courage and the time (mostly the courage), to learn assembly.
>
> I probably shouldn't ask this here: but has anyone like me tried the
> Basicmicro "Windows IDE" ? www.basicmicro.com/products/index.html
>
> Sean
> seangib@h...
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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<doleary@h...> writes:
> Tim,
>
> I didn't know C, but went that route anyway. A good compiler comes
> with
> many code examples. Those along with any book on C (C++ is neither
> used nor
> necessary), made a short learning curve. If you know Basic, the
> logic is
> the same.
>
> Dennis
Dennis,
Which compiler and burner do you use? I have looked at several but
haven't been able to decide on one.
Charles
I think we need to agree to disagree on this point. I frequently program in
VBScript, VB, QBasic, and JavaScript (very C like) and do a little in C. The
flow of C vs Basic is quite different. C is so oriented to doing everything
in function calls and the syntax is very different. Yes if you know one
language you can learn another fairly rapidly, but it is far faster to just
switch dialects in the same language.
For PICs I use Micro Engineering Labs PICBasic Pro, LETBasic Pro, and even
have played with C2C PIC C compiler. For a programmer I have a Micro
Engineering Labs EPIC + and a Microchip PIC Start Plus. I much prefer the
Epic.
Tim
[noparse][[/noparse]Denver, CO]
> > Tim,
> >
> > I didn't know C, but went that route anyway. A good compiler comes
> > with
> > many code examples. Those along with any book on C (C++ is neither
> > used nor
> > necessary), made a short learning curve. If you know Basic, the
> > logic is
> > the same.
> >
> > Dennis
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> Which compiler and burner do you use? I have looked at several but
> haven't been able to decide on one.
>
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I use the CCS compiler (Windows version) with a PICStart+ programmer. Other
more expensive compilers/programmers may offer advantages over these, but
they have served my somewhat limited purposes.
Dennis
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From: charles a huffman [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=vNg5Tucf1cLayrPrSxpvIjD0PswxzxWPLE564J4Wf3hRJI8KFpixrlIhU5Njzd6bBo6YetWn2jRGTB0]cahuffm@j...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:25 AM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
Dennis,
Which compiler and burner do you use? I have looked at several but
haven't been able to decide on one.
Charles
Yes, you are correct on the syntactical differences. My point was that the
CSC C compiler that I use was quite easy to learn, given at least experience
with other languages. The important message here is that the higher
language compilers are now good enough that they can usually substitute for
assembly. After doing assembly on machines from the Univac 1 through IBM
PC, with late, lamented DEC machines in the middle, I've learned my
limitations.
Dennis
Original Message
From: Tim Goldstein [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=0-hotlyeGWFODFgbj5QWoO2BLOVMdvCsiWmkpmoAOzAxgaoelfQjFjHLIm-jFMSFLKD1_QMDlSI7jjWx]timg@k...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:47 AM
To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE: A different option?
Dennis,
I think we need to agree to disagree on this point. I frequently program in
VBScript, VB, QBasic, and JavaScript (very C like) and do a little in C. The
flow of C vs Basic is quite different. C is so oriented to doing everything
in function calls and the syntax is very different. Yes if you know one
language you can learn another fairly rapidly, but it is far faster to just
switch dialects in the same language.
For PICs I use Micro Engineering Labs PICBasic Pro, LETBasic Pro, and even
have played with C2C PIC C compiler. For a programmer I have a Micro
Engineering Labs EPIC + and a Microchip PIC Start Plus. I much prefer the
Epic.
Tim
[noparse][[/noparse]Denver, CO]
> > Tim,
> >
> > I didn't know C, but went that route anyway. A good compiler comes
> > with
> > many code examples. Those along with any book on C (C++ is neither
> > used nor
> > necessary), made a short learning curve. If you know Basic, the
> > logic is
> > the same.
> >
> > Dennis
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> Which compiler and burner do you use? I have looked at several but
> haven't been able to decide on one.
>
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> ... My point was that the CCS C compiler was quite easy to learn,
> given at least experience with other languages.
Likewise here. Lots of prior asm dialects, BASICs (including PBP),
but no C - I got up and running with PCM over a long week-end.
Nobody more surprised than me, I hasten to add [noparse]:)[/noparse] Exceptionally
readable .LST files was another pleasant surprise. Good stuff.
regards, Jack