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Frighteningly small parts

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-03-15 19:21 in General Discussion
Hey guys,

I just received a Titanium PowerBook this morning, and while
installing an Airport card (internally) I took a look at the logic
boards. It reminded me of a very large version of the innards of a
Handspring Visor. I recognized very few parts. Granted, I'm not a
hardware guru, but I have no idea what some of that is! If one is
trying to build a piece of hardware with parts that small, how do you
prototype it? Can you buy resistors/capacitors/etc., off the shelf
that are of the 'wicked small' variety? And if so, where?

I didn't even see an IC that looked 'normal sized'. How can companies
do this? I'm looking at one of the devices I'm building for a client
and realizing it's thicker and has a shorter battery life than the
Titanium PowerBook.

-Chilton (feeling quite a bit smaller right now)

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-14 22:24
    These things are prototyped by hand, but for production they are assembled
    using automatic insertion equipment and flow soldering machines. Typically a
    person loads the boards into carriers, and loads strips of components into
    machines, and the machine grabs a board, places the parts, then sends them
    on to a flow solder machine where all of the joints are soldered at once. At
    the other end a person tests the boards. Pretty cool stuff.

    Original Message

    > I just received a Titanium PowerBook this morning, and while
    > installing an Airport card (internally) I took a look at the logic
    > boards. It reminded me of a very large version of the innards of a
    > Handspring Visor. I recognized very few parts. Granted, I'm not a
    > hardware guru, but I have no idea what some of that is! If one is
    > trying to build a piece of hardware with parts that small, how do you
    > prototype it? Can you buy resistors/capacitors/etc., off the shelf
    > that are of the 'wicked small' variety? And if so, where?
    >
    > I didn't even see an IC that looked 'normal sized'. How can companies
    > do this? I'm looking at one of the devices I'm building for a client
    > and realizing it's thicker and has a shorter battery life than the
    > Titanium PowerBook.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-14 23:21
    Hi Chilton,

    For better or worse, I attend and help in my company's exhibit booth at
    trade shows that include hearing aid companies. I like to make the exhibit
    rounds, because they include specialty component suppliers that make the
    'wicked small' parts used in the newer digital in-the-ear hearing aids.
    Much of it is thick film hybrid technology: flip chip, chip on chip, chip on
    flex board. Hack into an old hearing aid sometime, and you will be amazed.
    The latest and greatest is the "all digital" hearing aid -- about $3k per
    ear, and about $300M-600M per year for the major manufacturers. They can
    afford the specialized manufacturing processes at those figures.

    Dennis O'Leary
    WSR Inc
    Pasadena CA

    Original Message
    From: chilton@t... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=8jdlSXQRTRfwLxGFsU2_y-Kc-bkYsoTlv-_-uSh2sKRRkWy3y7kLv08A1YBdUDPfoBboeajQ4auf]chilton@t...[/url
    Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:00 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Frighteningly small parts


    Hey guys,

    I just received a Titanium PowerBook this morning, and while
    installing an Airport card (internally) I took a look at the logic
    boards. It reminded me of a very large version of the innards of a
    Handspring Visor. I recognized very few parts. Granted, I'm not a
    hardware guru, but I have no idea what some of that is! If one is
    trying to build a piece of hardware with parts that small, how do you
    prototype it? Can you buy resistors/capacitors/etc., off the shelf
    that are of the 'wicked small' variety? And if so, where?

    I didn't even see an IC that looked 'normal sized'. How can companies
    do this? I'm looking at one of the devices I'm building for a client
    and realizing it's thicker and has a shorter battery life than the
    Titanium PowerBook.

    -Chilton (feeling quite a bit smaller right now)



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-15 00:35
    Good afternoon,

    On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rodent wrote:

    > These things are prototyped by hand, but for production they are assembled
    > using automatic insertion equipment and flow soldering machines. Typically a
    > person loads the boards into carriers, and loads strips of components into
    > machines, and the machine grabs a board, places the parts,

    ...using a cartesian robot arm, which can move at very high speeds. A few
    years ago I attended a demonstration for a new machine said to be the
    fastest and most accurate. The operator was boasting (like a good
    salesman) about how rarely this model malfunctions.

    I glanced in the chamber window, and saw about fifty of these
    small components on each of four boards, randomly bouncing high into
    the air like popcorn every time a new component placement was attempted.
    The machine was wildly malfunctioning, and there was no error
    message whatsoever.
    So, even with a machine it may be difficult[noparse]:)[/noparse]

    Just a humorous story, although I'm sure the salesman would
    disagree. Maybe with a stamp it would work.
    Paul
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-15 19:21
    Great story! I recall reviewing an SBIR grant that requested funds for a
    pick and place machine specifically for small components. Cost was about
    $35K. The one they already had for large surface mount components wouldn't
    handle the small stuff.

    Dennis O'Leary

    Original Message
    From: Paul J. Csonka [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=hqe4UtlfXoPgDtnabW8YYHLh4XBl9mVPCfxtLBdwkfoktoDMhQ_aVFr0ptuXuzmWzyLhF5ufMmU]csonka@e...[/url
    Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 4:36 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Frighteningly small parts



    Good afternoon,

    On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rodent wrote:

    > These things are prototyped by hand, but for production they are assembled
    > using automatic insertion equipment and flow soldering machines. Typically
    a
    > person loads the boards into carriers, and loads strips of components into
    > machines, and the machine grabs a board, places the parts,

    ...using a cartesian robot arm, which can move at very high speeds. A few
    years ago I attended a demonstration for a new machine said to be the
    fastest and most accurate. The operator was boasting (like a good
    salesman) about how rarely this model malfunctions.

    I glanced in the chamber window, and saw about fifty of these
    small components on each of four boards, randomly bouncing high into
    the air like popcorn every time a new component placement was attempted.
    The machine was wildly malfunctioning, and there was no error
    message whatsoever.
    So, even with a machine it may be difficult[noparse]:)[/noparse]

    Just a humorous story, although I'm sure the salesman would
    disagree. Maybe with a stamp it would work.
    Paul






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