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Stamp Selcall decoder

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-03-12 21:05 in General Discussion
what's selcall?


> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:38:03 -0000
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> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp Selcall decoder

> Anyone successfully used the stamp to decode selcall? Want to do this
> but don't want to re-invent the wheel.
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-08 01:38
    Anyone successfully used the stamp to decode selcall? Want to do this
    but don't want to re-invent the wheel.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-09 00:22
    Short for selective calling. 'Generally' its a series of 6 tones
    around 1000hz area ,each of 20ms. They use it as an in band
    signalling system mainly on radio systems. Its transmitted audibly at
    the beginning or the end of a conversation. Used for vehicle
    identification or remote controll. Many different uses and many
    different formats. Usually hear it on police or emergency service
    radio systems.






    --- In basicstamps@y..., "Doug Simpson" <veewee77@a...> wrote:
    > what's selcall?
    >
    >
    > > To: basicstamps@y...
    > > From: jbh@x...
    > > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:38:03 -0000
    > > Reply-to: basicstamps@y...
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp Selcall decoder
    >
    > > Anyone successfully used the stamp to decode selcall? Want to do
    this
    > > but don't want to re-invent the wheel.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http:/
    /docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    > >
    > >
    > >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-09 01:10
    We're talking 800 Mhz trunked radio? Or are you refering to CTCSS stuff used
    for conventional two-way?

    Original Message

    > Short for selective calling. 'Generally' its a series of 6 tones
    > around 1000hz area ,each of 20ms. They use it as an in band
    > signalling system mainly on radio systems. Its transmitted audibly at
    > the beginning or the end of a conversation. Used for vehicle
    > identification or remote controll. Many different uses and many
    > different formats. Usually hear it on police or emergency service
    > radio systems.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-09 08:28
    No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band signalling...on all
    the
    time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of speech. Can use
    it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification of locos,
    base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio cassette
    tapes
    but faster.

    --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > We're talking 800 Mhz trunked radio? Or are you refering to CTCSS
    stuff used
    > for conventional two-way?
    >
    >
    Original Message
    >
    > > Short for selective calling. 'Generally' its a series of 6 tones
    > > around 1000hz area ,each of 20ms. They use it as an in band
    > > signalling system mainly on radio systems. Its transmitted
    audibly
    at
    > > the beginning or the end of a conversation. Used for vehicle
    > > identification or remote controll. Many different uses and many
    > > different formats. Usually hear it on police or emergency service
    > > radio systems.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-09 19:33
    It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released

    jbh@x... wrote:
    >
    > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band signalling...on all
    > the
    > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of speech. Can use
    > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification of locos,
    > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio cassette
    > tapes
    > but faster.
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > > We're talking 800 Mhz trunked radio? Or are you refering to CTCSS
    > stuff used
    > > for conventional two-way?
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >
    > > > Short for selective calling. 'Generally' its a series of 6 tones
    > > > around 1000hz area ,each of 20ms. They use it as an in band
    > > > signalling system mainly on radio systems. Its transmitted
    > audibly
    > at
    > > > the beginning or the end of a conversation. Used for vehicle
    > > > identification or remote controll. Many different uses and many
    > > > different formats. Usually hear it on police or emergency service
    > > > radio systems.
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-10 07:10
    OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel phones when you use
    them as 2-way radios.

    I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the main stuff on a
    trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.

    Original Message


    > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released

    > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band signalling...on all
    > > the
    > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of speech. Can use
    > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification of locos,
    > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio cassette
    > > tapes
    > > but faster.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-10 23:31
    The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system I
    maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about $800 a
    pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of these units
    function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall to poll
    our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use some
    indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We can also
    start generators if batteries need a boost.
    Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little more
    complex.
    Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on the
    network.


    --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel phones when
    you use
    > them as 2-way radios.
    >

    > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the main
    stuff on a
    > trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.
    >
    >
    Original Message
    >
    >
    > > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released
    >
    > > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band signalling...on
    all
    > > > the
    > > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of speech.
    Can use
    > > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification of
    locos,
    > > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio cassette
    > > > tapes
    > > > but faster.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-11 04:32
    Nextel phones work as conventional digital wireless phones *and* as 2-way
    radios. As a 2-way, they have a push-to-talk buttton and you can talk to
    other radios on your account. When you key / unkey them they make a series
    of audible tones.

    Original Message

    > The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system I
    > maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about $800 a
    > pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of these units
    > function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall to poll
    > our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use some
    > indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We can also
    > start generators if batteries need a boost.
    > Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little more
    > complex.
    > Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on the
    > network.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-11 21:59
    How do you generate Selcall using a stamp

    jbh@x... wrote:
    >
    > The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system I
    > maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about $800 a
    > pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of these units
    > function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall to poll
    > our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use some
    > indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We can also
    > start generators if batteries need a boost.
    > Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little more
    > complex.
    > Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on the
    > network.
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > > OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel phones when
    > you use
    > > them as 2-way radios.
    > >
    >
    > > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the main
    > stuff on a
    > > trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >
    > >
    > > > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released
    > >
    > > > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band signalling...on
    > all
    > > > > the
    > > > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of speech.
    > Can use
    > > > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification of
    > locos,
    > > > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio cassette
    > > > > tapes
    > > > > but faster.
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-11 22:02
    > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though --


    Selcall has great uses, we use it for telemetry & telecommand.....wonderful
    stuff!
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-11 22:16
    go to the parallax web site and type frequency for a search there is a
    experiment 1. Basic Analog and Digital Experiment #6 •••• this allows you
    to read frequency may be a bit low for your use

    jbh@x... wrote:
    >
    > The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system I
    > maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about $800 a
    > pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of these units
    > function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall to poll
    > our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use some
    > indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We can also
    > start generators if batteries need a boost.
    > Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little more
    > complex.
    > Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on the
    > network.
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > > OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel phones when
    > you use
    > > them as 2-way radios.
    > >
    >
    > > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the main
    > stuff on a
    > > trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >
    > >
    > > > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released
    > >
    > > > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band signalling...on
    > all
    > > > > the
    > > > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of speech.
    > Can use
    > > > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification of
    > locos,
    > > > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio cassette
    > > > > tapes
    > > > > but faster.
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-11 22:24
    could your read this with pulsin command

    jbh@x... wrote:
    >
    > The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system I
    > maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about $800 a
    > pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of these units
    > function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall to poll
    > our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use some
    > indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We can also
    > start generators if batteries need a boost.
    > Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little more
    > complex.
    > Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on the
    > network.
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > > OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel phones when
    > you use
    > > them as 2-way radios.
    > >
    >
    > > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the main
    > stuff on a
    > > trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >
    > >
    > > > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released
    > >
    > > > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band signalling...on
    > all
    > > > > the
    > > > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of speech.
    > Can use
    > > > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification of
    > locos,
    > > > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio cassette
    > > > > tapes
    > > > > but faster.
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-12 02:47
    yep. That would get the frequency alright but you also have to see how
    long this frequency lasts for (20ms) then go straight into decoding
    the next five different frequencies.If any of them don't last for 20ms
    then it would be classed as a non decode. Sounds simple but how
    simple?

    A few people have asked how to generate it. The code is as follows.

    FREQOUT 0,20,1747
    FREQOUT 0,20,1358
    FREQOUT 0,20,1124
    FREQOUT 0,20,1197
    FREQOUT 0,20,1747
    FREQOUT 0,40,0
    FREQOUT 0,20,1640

    This equals code 84128 7 (7 being the status with a pause of 40ms
    beforehand)
    So as you can see, quite simple.

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "L .Gaminde" <lgaminde@t...> wrote:
    > could your read this with pulsin command
    >
    > jbh@x... wrote:
    > >
    > > The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system I
    > > maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about $800
    a
    > > pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of these
    units
    > > function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall to
    poll
    > > our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use some
    > > indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We can
    also
    > > start generators if batteries need a boost.
    > > Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little more
    > > complex.
    > > Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on the
    > > network.
    > >
    > > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > > > OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel phones
    when
    > > you use
    > > > them as 2-way radios.
    > > >
    > >
    > > > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the main
    > > stuff on a
    > > > trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.
    > > >
    > > >
    Original Message
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released
    > > >
    > > > > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band
    signalling...on
    > > all
    > > > > > the
    > > > > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of
    speech.
    > > Can use
    > > > > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification
    of
    > > locos,
    > > > > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > > > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio
    cassette
    > > > > > tapes
    > > > > > but faster.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-12 18:39
    Well how about trying the count command and a lookup table if the value is
    not in the lookup table is not valid, the count command will run for 1 to
    65535 mS give it a shot and let us know what the reading's are

    jbh@x... wrote:
    >
    > yep. That would get the frequency alright but you also have to see how
    > long this frequency lasts for (20ms) then go straight into decoding
    > the next five different frequencies.If any of them don't last for 20ms
    > then it would be classed as a non decode. Sounds simple but how
    > simple?
    >
    > A few people have asked how to generate it. The code is as follows.
    >
    > FREQOUT 0,20,1747
    > FREQOUT 0,20,1358
    > FREQOUT 0,20,1124
    > FREQOUT 0,20,1197
    > FREQOUT 0,20,1747
    > FREQOUT 0,40,0
    > FREQOUT 0,20,1640
    >
    > This equals code 84128 7 (7 being the status with a pause of 40ms
    > beforehand)
    > So as you can see, quite simple.
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@y..., "L .Gaminde" <lgaminde@t...> wrote:
    > > could your read this with pulsin command
    > >
    > > jbh@x... wrote:
    > > >
    > > > The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system I
    > > > maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about $800
    > a
    > > > pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of these
    > units
    > > > function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall to
    > poll
    > > > our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use some
    > > > indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We can
    > also
    > > > start generators if batteries need a boost.
    > > > Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little more
    > > > complex.
    > > > Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on the
    > > > network.
    > > >
    > > > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > > > > OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel phones
    > when
    > > > you use
    > > > > them as 2-way radios.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the main
    > > > stuff on a
    > > > > trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    Original Message
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released
    > > > >
    > > > > > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band
    > signalling...on
    > > > all
    > > > > > > the
    > > > > > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of
    > speech.
    > > > Can use
    > > > > > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for identification
    > of
    > > > locos,
    > > > > > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > > > > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio
    > cassette
    > > > > > > tapes
    > > > > > > but faster.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
    > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-03-12 21:05
    Yes. Thats a good idea. Forgot about the count command. Initial
    thoughts would be that you would have to wait for one of the ten
    frequencies to appear then use the count command. Will give it a go
    sometime and see how it works.

    --- In basicstamps@y..., "L .Gaminde" <lgaminde@t...> wrote:
    > Well how about trying the count command and a lookup table if the
    value is
    > not in the lookup table is not valid, the count command will run for
    1 to
    > 65535 mS give it a shot and let us know what the reading's are
    >
    > jbh@x... wrote:
    > >
    > > yep. That would get the frequency alright but you also have to see
    how
    > > long this frequency lasts for (20ms) then go straight into
    decoding
    > > the next five different frequencies.If any of them don't last for
    20ms
    > > then it would be classed as a non decode. Sounds simple but how
    > > simple?
    > >
    > > A few people have asked how to generate it. The code is as
    follows.
    > >
    > > FREQOUT 0,20,1747
    > > FREQOUT 0,20,1358
    > > FREQOUT 0,20,1124
    > > FREQOUT 0,20,1197
    > > FREQOUT 0,20,1747
    > > FREQOUT 0,40,0
    > > FREQOUT 0,20,1640
    > >
    > > This equals code 84128 7 (7 being the status with a pause of 40ms
    > > beforehand)
    > > So as you can see, quite simple.
    > >
    > > --- In basicstamps@y..., "L .Gaminde" <lgaminde@t...> wrote:
    > > > could your read this with pulsin command
    > > >
    > > > jbh@x wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > The situation is that we use selcall a lot on the radio system
    I
    > > > > maintain. At the moment we use decoder units which are about
    $800
    > > a
    > > > > pop. What I want to do was to use the stamp to copy one of
    these
    > > units
    > > > > function plus a lot more for a lot less money. We use selcall
    to
    > > poll
    > > > > our repeaters to query any alarms that appear. This gives use
    some
    > > > > indication of what could be wrong before we travel there. We
    can
    > > also
    > > > > start generators if batteries need a boost.
    > > > > Stamps can generate selcall nicely but decoding is a little
    more
    > > > > complex.
    > > > > Don't know what Nextel phones are but we only use radios on
    the
    > > > > network.
    > > > >
    > > > > --- In basicstamps@y..., Rodent <daweasel@s...> wrote:
    > > > > > OK, so it is like the trunked radio stuff and the Nextel
    phones
    > > when
    > > > > you use
    > > > > > them as 2-way radios.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > > I don't think decoding this is gonna do much though -- the
    main
    > > > > stuff on a
    > > > > > trunked radio system is on a separate data-only channel.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    Original Message
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > It sounds like a chirp when the mike is released
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > > No. Not talking about CTCSS, thats out of band
    > > signalling...on
    > > > > all
    > > > > > > > the
    > > > > > > > time with speech. Selcall is sent on trailing edge of
    > > speech.
    > > > > Can use
    > > > > > > > it on any radio system. Railways use it for
    identification
    > > of
    > > > > locos,
    > > > > > > > base calls, emergency alert, vigalence etc.
    > > > > > > > Sounds sort of like the tones you hear at the end audio
    > > cassette
    > > > > > > > tapes
    > > > > > > > but faster.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
    > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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