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1/4 inch electric valves- was Pressure sensor

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-02-26 19:20 in General Discussion
Washing machines use a dual (hot & cold) valve. Icemakers and dishwashers
use a single valve but the nasty gotcha is: They are designed for
intermittent use and usually do not have a enough copper winding to avoid
overheating and burnout if energized for extended periods. I tried several
differant appliance type valves for a drip watering system and they all
failed.

I too, am looking for an economical source for small, low voltage valves,
preferably DC, to use with stamps to control city water up to 120 psi.

Wayne

At 03:45 PM 2/22/01 -0300, ACJacques wrote:
>Domestic washing machines uses low cost solenoids.
>


Wayne Roderick P.E. (EE, ret)
CEO, Teton Short Line, (NMRA life-1721)
e-mail tetonsl@i... Pocatello Idaho, USA
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-22 20:23
    Wayne,

    Thanks for the reply. I hadn't thought of an ice maker in a
    refrigerator. My use would not be continuous, so it might work. The problem I
    suspect here is that I need to run on 12 v. DC. and I suspect many such
    solenoids will be 120 AC.

    Regards, Theron

    Wayne Roderick wrote:

    > Washing machines use a dual (hot & cold) valve. Icemakers and dishwashers
    > use a single valve but the nasty gotcha is: They are designed for
    > intermittent use and usually do not have a enough copper winding to avoid
    > overheating and burnout if energized for extended periods. I tried several
    > differant appliance type valves for a drip watering system and they all
    > failed.
    >
    > I too, am looking for an economical source for small, low voltage valves,
    > preferably DC, to use with stamps to control city water up to 120 psi.
    >
    > Wayne
    >
    > At 03:45 PM 2/22/01 -0300, ACJacques wrote:
    > >Domestic washing machines uses low cost solenoids.
    > >
    >
    > Wayne Roderick P.E. (EE, ret)
    > CEO, Teton Short Line, (NMRA life-1721)
    > e-mail tetonsl@i... Pocatello Idaho, USA
    > http://www.ida.net/users/tetonsl/railroad
    > Note new URL- /biz/ becomes /users/
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-22 20:24
    Another approach is use a R/C Servo to close/open a ball valve.
    ACJacques

    Wayne Roderick wrote:
    >
    > Washing machines use a dual (hot & cold) valve. Icemakers and dishwashers
    > use a single valve but the nasty gotcha is: They are designed for
    > intermittent use and usually do not have a enough copper winding to avoid
    > overheating and burnout if energized for extended periods. I tried several
    > differant appliance type valves for a drip watering system and they all
    > failed.
    >
    > I too, am looking for an economical source for small, low voltage valves,
    > preferably DC, to use with stamps to control city water up to 120 psi.
    >
    > Wayne
    >
    > At 03:45 PM 2/22/01 -0300, ACJacques wrote:
    > >Domestic washing machines uses low cost solenoids.
    > >
    >
    > Wayne Roderick P.E. (EE, ret)
    > CEO, Teton Short Line, (NMRA life-1721)
    > e-mail tetonsl@i... Pocatello Idaho, USA
    > http://www.ida.net/users/tetonsl/railroad
    > Note new URL- /biz/ becomes /users/
    >
    >
    >
    > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-22 20:49
    City water at 120 PSI should probably be limited. There are pressure reducers
    you can get that use a regular hose fitting. Look in the hardware store under
    sprinkler systems.

    Also,

    The valves used in sprinkler systems are 24 VAC and are made for city pressures.
    They are not very expensive, and they will hold open for several minutes
    without damage - the water flow helps to cool them. Toro and Rainbird are two
    manufacturers I know with pretty good quality.

    Tom O'Brien
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-22 21:32
    --- Wayne Roderick <tetonsl@i...> wrote:
    > Washing machines use a dual (hot & cold) valve.
    > Icemakers and dishwashers
    > use a single valve but the nasty gotcha is: They
    > are designed for
    > intermittent use and usually do not have a enough
    > copper winding to avoid
    > overheating and burnout if energized for extended
    > periods. I tried several
    > differant appliance type valves for a drip watering
    > system and they all
    > failed.
    >
    > I too, am looking for an economical source for
    > small, low voltage valves,
    > preferably DC, to use with stamps to control city
    > water up to 120 psi.

    Try looking in the Grainger catalog. They have 12 and
    24 volt solenoid valves that will easily cover 120 psi
    for both normally open and normally closed. About the
    cheapest will be approx $35 ~ $40.
    Check out part #: CAT66P-012-D, it is a 12 VDC NC
    valve.
    Ross Cooper
    klutch66@y...


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-23 00:14
    > I too, am looking for an economical source for small, low voltage
    > valves, preferably DC, to use with stamps to control city water up to
    120
    > psi.

    Define economical...

    Grainger has valves and coils that you can mix and match. About $15 for
    the coil (sorry, my greatly outdated 1994 catalog lists only AC coils)
    and about $15 for a valve (2 way NC, brass, 1/4" pipe, 1/8" orifice,
    0-150 PSI). You might also check out ASCO or Precision Dynamics. Sorry,
    no contact information other than that I think PreDyne is located in
    Milford, Conn....???
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-24 00:20
    Also check
    MEAD - white metal
    Clippard - brass and stainless
    PeterPaul - steel, stainess and chrome
    McMaster Carr - ??
    Pnuetronics, - small circuit board units/medical supplies

    Sorry, All I have is catalogues and no links.


    --- In basicstamps@y..., agarb@j... wrote:
    > > I too, am looking for an economical source for small, low voltage
    > > valves, preferably DC, to use with stamps to control city water
    up to
    > 120
    > > psi.
    >
    > Define economical...
    >
    > Grainger has valves and coils that you can mix and match. About
    $15 for
    > the coil (sorry, my greatly outdated 1994 catalog lists only AC
    coils)
    > and about $15 for a valve (2 way NC, brass, 1/4" pipe, 1/8"
    orifice,
    > 0-150 PSI). You might also check out ASCO or Precision Dynamics.
    Sorry,
    > no contact information other than that I think PreDyne is located in
    > Milford, Conn....???
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-24 03:52
    At 07:14 PM 2/22/01 -0500, you wrote:
    >> I too, am looking for an economical source for small, low voltage
    >> valves, preferably DC, to use with stamps to control city water up to
    >120
    >> psi.
    >
    >Define economical...

    $10 each from a surplus source. Found some a while back in a Herbach
    Rademan catalog- Ordered and found a stock of ONE! 3/4" and 1" sprinkler
    valves are economical but non functional or unreliable for very limited
    flow rates such as used in drip watering. A great stamp project IF we can
    find the valves.



    Wayne Roderick P.E. (EE, ret)
    CEO, Teton Short Line, (NMRA life-1721)
    e-mail tetonsl@i... Pocatello Idaho, USA
    http://www.ida.net/users/tetonsl/railroad
    Note new URL- /biz/ becomes /users/
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-02-26 19:20
    I just got some nice little valves from Peter Paul. Rated 12 volts and 175
    psi. continuous duty. $33 each in 5 piece lots.
    Part# 52Z0860LSGM uprated to 175 psi.

    Steve Chlupsa
    SMC Enterprises
    270-522-9376
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