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Amplifier

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2001-01-26 19:04 in General Discussion
I need to learn about audio amplification. I made a simple circuit
that produces sine wave and put it to a very small speaker (the Radio
shack project variety). Now I need it to be amplified and I am
thinking of using an amplified computer speaker (monitor speakers. Is
it a matter of taking the two wires going to the speaker and putting
them into the input line on the monitor speaker?

Where can I learn about matching audio impedence, minimizing noise,
amplification etc. Please recommend some electronics books or website
that I can check out.

many thanks


al

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-01-25 23:33
    I want to make a stamp project to set the fast/slow control on an old clock
    rather than wait for a day to see if the clock is slow or fast I want to use
    a "tic" to start a timer and the next "tic" or even the next 15 or 60 to
    stop the timer. I then can rapidly set the speed regulator for the old
    mechanical clock.

    I need help with the amplifier - I would like to hold a microphone near the
    clock movement and have the electronics make a 0 to 5 volt transition.

    I have tried an audio amp with (op-amp) with gain of 100 - not much luck
    any one have any good ideas?

    thanks


    richard
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-01-26 03:50
    Check out http://www.minidisc.org/headbanger.html
    All the parts can be picked up at radio shack. I have built this stereo
    amplifier and it works incredible. It can be built in an evening or two.
    Of course if you want a mono output then you only have to build one of the
    two channels that are shown on the schematic found at that website. The
    design uses LM386 audio op-amps and the design needs no tweaking. It works
    really well.

    Jim
    Original Message
    From: <alnajjar@s...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:23 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Amplifier


    > I need to learn about audio amplification. I made a simple circuit
    > that produces sine wave and put it to a very small speaker (the Radio
    > shack project variety). Now I need it to be amplified and I am
    > thinking of using an amplified computer speaker (monitor speakers. Is
    > it a matter of taking the two wires going to the speaker and putting
    > them into the input line on the monitor speaker?
    >
    > Where can I learn about matching audio impedence, minimizing noise,
    > amplification etc. Please recommend some electronics books or website
    > that I can check out.
    >
    > many thanks
    >
    >
    > al
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-01-26 12:18
    Hi Richard,

    First a few questions:
    1) What is the voltage swing from the audio amp that is driven by the
    microphone when the "tick tock" sound is present? A gain of 100 may not be
    enough to drive the audio amp from zero to +5 volts.
    2) If the audio output swing is less than 5 volts, I suggest you consider
    driving a comparator from the audio amp. An operational amplifier can be
    connected as a comparator and hysteresis should be used to reduce the amount
    of noise as the input signal goes through the switching point. The power
    supply for the comparator should be 5 volts or the output of the comparator
    should be limited to +5 volts. This can be done with a two resistors and a
    pair of signal diodes (1N914 or 1N4148) connected in the following manner:
    +5
    l
    D1
    l
    comparator output >
    R1
    @
    R2
    >input to Basic Stamp
    l
    D2
    l
    ground

    R1 is 4.7K ohms / R2 is 1.0K ohms
    D1 cathode connected to +5 volts, anode connected to junction of R1 and R2.
    D2 cathode connected to junction of R1 and R2, anode connected to ground.

    Hope this helps. Burt
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-01-26 12:31
    Hi Al,

    1) Do the computer monitor speakers have an intenal amplifier? If yes, how
    much power are they capable of delivering? Suggest you open the case and
    examine the inside. If no, then a simple amplifer is needed. Radio Shack
    had or has audio amplifers that can be powered by 6 or 9 volts. From your
    email, it sounds like you are trying to amplify a sine wave. Is this
    correct? What power level do you need?

    2) Books about audio can be found in many places including the ARRL Radio
    Amateur Handbook, TAB and SAMS publications have several books on audio,
    there are a couple of magazines such as the 'Audio Amateur" that can be found
    at your Borders or Barnes and Noble book stores. Have you tried your local
    library and the TAB and SAMS websites?

    3) I am looking forward to your response to my email to you from earlier
    this week about getting started with the Basic Stamp.

    Hope this helps, Burt/burtsz@a...
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-01-26 15:02
    better send it again - I had vertually every computer get infected on my
    intranet with a virus - I lost many files - poor backup - lost all my stamp
    files (I can retype them in again because I had paper back up - and my
    internet server dropped me (actually our whole town)
    please respond to

    rfriedrich@a...

    Original Message
    From: <burtsz@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:31 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Amplifier


    > Hi Al,
    >
    > 1) Do the computer monitor speakers have an intenal amplifier? If yes,
    how
    > much power are they capable of delivering? Suggest you open the case and
    > examine the inside. If no, then a simple amplifer is needed. Radio Shack
    > had or has audio amplifers that can be powered by 6 or 9 volts. From your
    > email, it sounds like you are trying to amplify a sine wave. Is this
    > correct? What power level do you need?
    >
    > 2) Books about audio can be found in many places including the ARRL Radio
    > Amateur Handbook, TAB and SAMS publications have several books on audio,
    > there are a couple of magazines such as the 'Audio Amateur" that can be
    found
    > at your Borders or Barnes and Noble book stores. Have you tried your
    local
    > library and the TAB and SAMS websites?
    >
    > 3) I am looking forward to your response to my email to you from earlier
    > this week about getting started with the Basic Stamp.
    >
    > Hope this helps, Burt/burtsz@a...
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-01-26 15:08
    yes thanks for the info

    I tried boosting the gain to 1000 and all it did was oscillate - about then
    all my computers went down with a virus, I screwed them up some more and my
    back ups were almost a year old.
    duh, I guess I wont rely so heavily on anti-virus software.

    richard


    Original Message
    From: <burtsz@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:18 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Amplifier


    > Hi Richard,
    >
    > First a few questions:
    > 1) What is the voltage swing from the audio amp that is driven by the
    > microphone when the "tick tock" sound is present? A gain of 100 may not
    be
    > enough to drive the audio amp from zero to +5 volts.
    > 2) If the audio output swing is less than 5 volts, I suggest you consider
    > driving a comparator from the audio amp. An operational amplifier can be
    > connected as a comparator and hysteresis should be used to reduce the
    amount
    > of noise as the input signal goes through the switching point. The power
    > supply for the comparator should be 5 volts or the output of the
    comparator
    > should be limited to +5 volts. This can be done with a two resistors and
    a
    > pair of signal diodes (1N914 or 1N4148) connected in the following manner:
    > +5
    > l
    > D1
    > l
    > comparator output >
    R1
    @
    R2
    >input to Basic Stamp
    > l
    > D2
    > l
    > ground
    >
    > R1 is 4.7K ohms / R2 is 1.0K ohms
    > D1 cathode connected to +5 volts, anode connected to junction of R1 and
    R2.
    > D2 cathode connected to junction of R1 and R2, anode connected to ground.
    >
    > Hope this helps. Burt
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2001-01-26 19:04
    Assuming an old clock has a mechanical movement, you might consider timing
    its periodic motion either optically or with a Hall effect sensor instead of
    using audio, for simpler electronics. Using a Stamp, you could time N clock
    ticks with elapsed time from a crystal-based counter. Let N be a power of 2
    for easy division. For ultimate accuracy, embed an Oregon Scientific atomic
    clock inside your old clock -- somewhat like using a modern computer chip to
    calibrate Babbage's Calculating Engine at the British museum.

    Dennis

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    I want to make a stamp project to set the fast/slow control on an old clock
    rather than wait for a day to see if the clock is slow or fast I want to use
    a "tic" to start a timer and the next "tic" or even the next 15 or 60 to
    stop the timer. I then can rapidly set the speed regulator for the old
    mechanical clock.

    I need help with the amplifier - I would like to hold a microphone near the
    clock movement and have the electronics make a 0 to 5 volt transition.

    I have tried an audio amp with (op-amp) with gain of 100 - not much luck
    any one have any good ideas?

    thanks


    richard
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