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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2000-10-19 17:22 in General Discussion
Sending & receiving serial data between two Stamps is quite simple
with the RWS/TWS RF modules, but actually programming the Stamp
by RF would involve much more than simple wireless communications
between two Stamps.

Here's an example of controlling a robot via·wireless RF·to
show how simple this is. http://www.rentron.com/ruf-bot.htm

The Stamp requires several connections to the PC serial port to establish
a programming link.· These are RX,TX,DTR and the loop-back connection
between DSR & RTS.

Programming the Stamp via a wireless interface would require another
microcontroller that would emulate the Stamp programming software
on the receiving end, as well as another for the transmission circuit.

There's quite a bit going on between the Stamp and PC programming
connection, and a wireless device for actually programming the Stamp
would be quite a task.


Regards,

Bruce Reynolds
webmaster@rentron.com
http://www.rentron.com
Affordable·Solutions For Stamp RF Remote Control

Original Message
From: John & Lisa
To: basicstamps@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 4:24 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] serial transmitter

Is it possible to send the RS232 serial signal that's used for programming the BS II by RF.
I have the TWS-434 and the RWS-434 from Renton and have been trying to find a way to
send new or updated commands to my BoEBoT without trying to catch it, to plug it into
the serial port. I'm sure there must be a way, we have a printer at work that communicates
both ways with the computer, but only works well at about 10 feet. I would like to try and
programme my BoT using a similar technique.
any help would be very much welcome.
thanks in advance
John

Comments

  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-18 23:24
    Is it possible to send the RS232 serial signal that's used for programming the BS II by RF.
    I have the TWS-434 and the RWS-434 from Renton and have been trying to find a way to
    send new or updated commands to my BoEBoT without trying to catch it, to plug it into
    the serial port. I'm sure there must be a way, we have a printer at work that communicates
    both ways with the computer, but only works well at about 10 feet. I would like to try and
    programme my BoT using a similar technique.
    any help would be very much welcome.
    thanks in advance
    John
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-19 00:05
    If you will know ahead of time the alternate programs that you may wish to
    load, I would think that you could use Tracy Allen's excellent "stach"
    module in conjunction with your rf link.

    see http://www.emesystems.com/stachedat.htm

    The stach can hold up to 15 stampII programs. You initiate program
    downloads by pressing a single pushbutton. It seems you could bypass the
    pushbutton with a relay which the stamp would control.

    Then you could rf the number of the program you want to download to the
    target stamp, and it would then control the relay to initiate the download.

    Just a thought

    Steve
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-19 10:25
    Thanks for you idea, sounds really good, and I may use this as a future
    project. It's not what I'm looking for at the moment though. My idea really
    involves my BoT roving around the house when it bumps into something I
    wanted it to send it's location back to the computer so I could create and
    accurate map of the room. And also swap the Txer and Rxer around so that I
    could send data from the computers serial port directly to the stamps serial
    interface to change the onboard programme.
    Thanks anyway.
    John
    Original Message
    From: <sargent@s...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:05 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] serial transmitter


    > If you will know ahead of time the alternate programs that you may wish to
    > load, I would think that you could use Tracy Allen's excellent "stach"
    > module in conjunction with your rf link.
    >
    > see http://www.emesystems.com/stachedat.htm
    >
    > The stach can hold up to 15 stampII programs. You initiate program
    > downloads by pressing a single pushbutton. It seems you could bypass the
    > pushbutton with a relay which the stamp would control.
    >
    > Then you could rf the number of the program you want to download to the
    > target stamp, and it would then control the relay to initiate the
    download.
    >
    > Just a thought
    >
    > Steve
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-19 13:18
    At 10/19/2000 +0100 10:25 AM, you wrote:
    >Thanks for you idea, sounds really good, and I may use this as a future
    >project. It's not what I'm looking for at the moment though. My idea really
    >involves my BoT roving around the house when it bumps into something I
    >wanted it to send it's location back to the computer so I could create and
    >accurate map of the room.

    You might consider a scheme where the current data is retained in onboard
    memory (i.e. separate Local_Map EPROM(s) ), and these are offloaded on
    excursions back to Home_Base (for re-charging, re-programming or
    what-have-you). These Local_Maps can be in any simple (bit, byte or
    character) format you wish, since the manipulation is pre-defined (noted
    below) to occur on the PC. The Local_Maps are merged into larger grids
    (Excursion_Grid_Maps, Room_Grid_Maps, Yard_Grid_Maps, etc) with subsetting
    and supersetting (like words on a page, pages in a chapter, chapters in a
    book, book on a shelf, shelves in a library, etc). In the end you have a
    Robot Atlas of it's travels, both for historical, and future expeditionary
    purposes.

    > And also swap the Txer and Rxer around so that I
    >could send data from the computers serial port directly to the stamps serial
    >interface to change the onboard programme.

    You may find that is not necessary, if you use the BS-2SX or BS-2SE and use
    Tracy Allen's Stache facility, as others have mentioned. Although the
    intent may have been for data logging, it has MANY other uses.

    Re-programming on the fly, has many downsides, and the extra errors
    introduced (even if it could be done via RF) would NOT be worth the
    headaches (my opinion only). Just as a simple for instance, the Stamp would
    have no way to respond to a parity, CRC or ECC check. Thus. although the RF
    link may be sound, other elements in that link may NOT be so. Vibration,
    heat, static, and all sorts of other things can cause varios problems over
    time.

    >Thanks anyway.
    >John

    Just some additional thoughts

    Regards,

    Bruce Bates


    >
    Original Message
    >From: <sargent@s...>
    >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:05 AM
    >Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] serial transmitter
    >
    >
    > > If you will know ahead of time the alternate programs that you may wish to
    > > load, I would think that you could use Tracy Allen's excellent "stach"
    > > module in conjunction with your rf link.
    > >
    > > see http://www.emesystems.com/stachedat.htm
    > >
    > > The stach can hold up to 15 stampII programs. You initiate program
    > > downloads by pressing a single pushbutton. It seems you could bypass the
    > > pushbutton with a relay which the stamp would control.
    > >
    > > Then you could rf the number of the program you want to download to the
    > > target stamp, and it would then control the relay to initiate the
    >download.
    > >
    > > Just a thought
    > >
    > > Steve
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-19 17:22
    Thanks for your prompt reply, the stach is a good idea, but cost keeps me
    away from it just now.
    I'm going to try and stick to me original idea for the moment.
    Thanks anyway
    john
    Original Message
    From: "Bruce Bates" <bvbates@u...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:18 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] serial transmitter


    > At 10/19/2000 +0100 10:25 AM, you wrote:
    > >Thanks for you idea, sounds really good, and I may use this as a future
    > >project. It's not what I'm looking for at the moment though. My idea
    really
    > >involves my BoT roving around the house when it bumps into something I
    > >wanted it to send it's location back to the computer so I could create
    and
    > >accurate map of the room.
    >
    > You might consider a scheme where the current data is retained in onboard
    > memory (i.e. separate Local_Map EPROM(s) ), and these are offloaded on
    > excursions back to Home_Base (for re-charging, re-programming or
    > what-have-you). These Local_Maps can be in any simple (bit, byte or
    > character) format you wish, since the manipulation is pre-defined (noted
    > below) to occur on the PC. The Local_Maps are merged into larger grids
    > (Excursion_Grid_Maps, Room_Grid_Maps, Yard_Grid_Maps, etc) with subsetting
    > and supersetting (like words on a page, pages in a chapter, chapters in a
    > book, book on a shelf, shelves in a library, etc). In the end you have a
    > Robot Atlas of it's travels, both for historical, and future expeditionary
    > purposes.
    >
    > > And also swap the Txer and Rxer around so that I
    > >could send data from the computers serial port directly to the stamps
    serial
    > >interface to change the onboard programme.
    >
    > You may find that is not necessary, if you use the BS-2SX or BS-2SE and
    use
    > Tracy Allen's Stache facility, as others have mentioned. Although the
    > intent may have been for data logging, it has MANY other uses.
    >
    > Re-programming on the fly, has many downsides, and the extra errors
    > introduced (even if it could be done via RF) would NOT be worth the
    > headaches (my opinion only). Just as a simple for instance, the Stamp
    would
    > have no way to respond to a parity, CRC or ECC check. Thus. although the
    RF
    > link may be sound, other elements in that link may NOT be so. Vibration,
    > heat, static, and all sorts of other things can cause varios problems over
    > time.
    >
    > >Thanks anyway.
    > >John
    >
    > Just some additional thoughts
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Bruce Bates
    >
    >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >From: <sargent@s...>
    > >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:05 AM
    > >Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] serial transmitter
    > >
    > >
    > > > If you will know ahead of time the alternate programs that you may
    wish to
    > > > load, I would think that you could use Tracy Allen's excellent "stach"
    > > > module in conjunction with your rf link.
    > > >
    > > > see http://www.emesystems.com/stachedat.htm
    > > >
    > > > The stach can hold up to 15 stampII programs. You initiate program
    > > > downloads by pressing a single pushbutton. It seems you could bypass
    the
    > > > pushbutton with a relay which the stamp would control.
    > > >
    > > > Then you could rf the number of the program you want to download to
    the
    > > > target stamp, and it would then control the relay to initiate the
    > >download.
    > > >
    > > > Just a thought
    > > >
    > > > Steve
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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