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Water tank meter

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2000-10-23 01:08 in General Discussion
What shape, material, and orientation is the tank?
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 01:28
    The problem with any electrical system in a metal tank is electrolysis. If
    a fitting is weakened do to electrolysis and fails the insurance companies
    will not pick up the bill. Remember 500 gallons is a large chunk of water.
    Think very carefully about implementing active measuring devices.

    Also remember that stored water from a city or well source is full of
    interesting chemicals and minerals. Any metal probe will be affected after
    a period of time by the treatment chemicals or mineral build up.

    Go with an ultrasonic, light or a sight tube with a shut offf valve.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 05:03
    Check out Murphy switch at www.murphyswitch.com they have some devices for
    tank measurement.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 15:32
    FYI

    Look up the stamp app note on the Nuts and Volts magazine website.

    ITs cheap and easy.


    Original Message
    From: "Mindz Development House" <mindz@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Cc: <ebowam@h...>
    Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 3:33 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter


    > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source
    for a
    > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major
    hurdle is
    > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    > Thanks
    >
    > Ebow
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 16:33
    I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle is
    how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    Thanks

    Ebow
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 20:22
    Ebow,
    Not a cheap solution, but you might want to check out Senix.
    http://www.senix.com/apps_level-height.htm#liquids
    Mike


    At 04:33 PM 10/13/00 +0100, you wrote:
    >I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    >house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle is
    >how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    >mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    >Thanks
    >
    >Ebow

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 20:26
    Water pressure. One atsmosphere is somewhere around 14.7 psi and
    that is very roughly equalavent to 34 feet of water. I rember this
    from my old SCBUA classes 20 years ago. So is you put a 15 PSI
    transducer below your tank, you can calibrate for level.

    If I remember correctly it is not linear, but like I said, 20
    years.....

    Dave


    --- In basicstamps@egroups.com, "Mindz Development House"
    <mindz@a...> wrote:
    > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source
    for a
    > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major
    hurdle is
    > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    > Thanks
    >
    > Ebow
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 22:04
    Here's more data.

    I forgot to mention that direct pressure will yield
    tank pressure. If the pressure sensor is in the tank,
    so it's surrounded by tank pressure, then it will report
    water level pressure.

    1 PSI = 27.72 inches of water. The transducer would need to be
    in an atmosphere with equivalent pressure to the air in the
    top of the tank so that tank pressure is not measured.
    Kind of like a water level sight on a steam iron.

    Pressure sensors of low pressure can get expensive so
    there are be cheaper ways.

    You could use a sonic distance sensor to measure
    how close the level is to the top of the tank.

    Another alternative is to use a glass tube that is connected
    to the top and bottom of the tank so water in the tube will
    be equal to tank water level. Then put in a float that will
    block the light or beam, then use some type of IR or
    sonic or LED or even hall effect to indicate when the
    water pushes your float above a certain level.




    --- In basicstamps@egroups.com, davemucha@j... wrote:
    > Water pressure. One atsmosphere is somewhere around 14.7 psi and
    > that is very roughly equalavent to 34 feet of water. I rember this
    > from my old SCBUA classes 20 years ago. So is you put a 15 PSI
    > transducer below your tank, you can calibrate for level.
    >
    > If I remember correctly it is not linear, but like I said, 20
    > years.....
    >
    > Dave
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@egroups.com, "Mindz Development House"
    > <mindz@a...> wrote:
    > > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source
    > for a
    > > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My
    major
    > hurdle is
    > > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically
    (without
    > > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical
    ideas?
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > Ebow
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 23:06
    If you are looking for a pressure sensor check Motorola www.mot.com they
    have true, differential and other types of pressure sensors. Most have a
    0-5v output which you could read using an ADC. You can call or email them
    and many times get engineering samples for free.



    Brian


    Original Message
    From: "Mindz Development House" <mindz@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Cc: <ebowam@h...>
    Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:33 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter


    > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle
    is
    > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    > Thanks
    >
    > Ebow
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-13 23:38
    The article Ron Anderson refers to has about 10-12 ways to measure water
    levels in containers, some with mechanical means, others with resistance,
    conductivity, and some other means. I dont have the link to the article
    either, but I think I saved the pdf. somewhere..I will look for
    it and sent it if I find it. I seem to recall stumbling over
    it pretty easy though.

    Dave
    Original Message
    From: Brian McClure <bmcclure@p...>
    To: basicstamps@egroups.com <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Cc: ebowam@h... <ebowam@h...>
    Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 6:14 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter


    >If you are looking for a pressure sensor check Motorola www.mot.com they
    >have true, differential and other types of pressure sensors. Most have a
    >0-5v output which you could read using an ADC. You can call or email them
    >and many times get engineering samples for free.
    >
    >
    >
    >Brian
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    >From: "Mindz Development House" <mindz@a...>
    >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    >Cc: <ebowam@h...>
    >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:33 AM
    >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter
    >
    >
    >> I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    >> house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle
    >is
    >> how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    >> mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> Ebow
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
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    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-14 01:08
    At 04:33 PM 10/13/00 +0100, Mindz Development House wrote:
    >I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    >house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle is
    >how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    >mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    >Thanks

    Several fairly easy ways to do it.

    Easiest is if you can drill holes into the side of the tank and install
    probes at various levels. I use a type of wall anchor - I don't have
    manufacturer or part number handy but found them at a hardware store. The
    ones that I used are made of black rubber and have a brass insert at the
    small end. Tightening the screw compresses the rubber for a water tight
    seal - sort of like the old style thermos tops. I replaced the steel screw
    that the anchors came with originally with stainless steel.

    A similar technique is to install a stiff tube vertically within the tank,
    with probes stuck out the side of the tube at various levels. The wiring
    to the probes is contained within the tube.

    Any probe based system relies upon the conductivity of the liquid. It
    won't work with distilled water or any other non-conductive liquid. You
    also have to use AC excitation to avoid electrolytic or corrosion
    problems. But it is extremely easy to implement.

    You could also use an air bubble system. I've done this, as well, but its
    a LOT harder to get
    accurate, especially over wide temperature ranges.

    I'm sure others will come up with ideas as well. Let me know if you want
    details on implementing a probe based system.

    dwayne



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-14 03:25
    > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle
    is
    > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    > Thanks

    How about a pressure (weight) sensor under the tank ?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-14 07:57
    Using a Polaroid sonar sensor has been discussed on this list in the past
    and can be referrenced if you're interested.

    This would allow you to mount the sensor to the top of the tank, out of any
    contact with water, and the value computed will bear an inverse relationship
    to the amount of water in the tank (the larger the distance from the sensor
    to the surface of the water means less water in the tank).

    Good luck!
    Roger

    Original Message
    From: "Mindz Development House" <mindz@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Cc: <ebowam@h...>
    Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:33 AM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter


    > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle
    is
    > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    > Thanks
    >
    > Ebow
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-14 17:11
    Hi Ebow,

    I've seen an original sensor for that application. It's a capacitor, made of
    two pieces of isolated wire, fixed side-by-side at a litttle distance. Those
    two wires are fixed verticaly on the wall, in the tank.. As the water level
    varies, the value of the capacitor varies also. This capacitor is used in an
    oscillator, so the frequency changes with the water level. This system may
    be used for other liquids like fuel.
    If you're interrested, I can send you the schematic.

    Phil.
    Computer Solutions - Belgium
    derennep@s...

    Original Message
    From: Mindz Development House <mindz@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Cc: <ebowam@h...>
    Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:33 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter


    > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle
    is
    > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    > Thanks
    >
    > Ebow
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-16 18:57
    Hi Phil,

    This sounds interesting, I would be interested in the schmatic etc.

    Thanks

    Steve







    At 06:11 PM 10/14/2000 +0200, you wrote:
    >Hi Ebow,
    >
    >I've seen an original sensor for that application. It's a capacitor, made of
    >two pieces of isolated wire, fixed side-by-side at a litttle distance. Those
    >two wires are fixed verticaly on the wall, in the tank.. As the water level
    >varies, the value of the capacitor varies also. This capacitor is used in an
    >oscillator, so the frequency changes with the water level. This system may
    >be used for other liquids like fuel.
    >If you're interrested, I can send you the schematic.
    >
    >Phil.
    >Computer Solutions - Belgium
    >derennep@s...
    >
    >
    Original Message
    >From: Mindz Development House <mindz@a...>
    >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    >Cc: <ebowam@h...>
    >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:33 PM
    >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter
    >
    >
    >> I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    >> house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major hurdle
    >is
    >> how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    >> mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> Ebow
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-23 01:08
    Philippe, the most accurate way to measure level in a water or any
    tank/vessel is to install load cells under or hang tank by three equally
    spaced load cells.
    because they are not ever in contact w/ water or material in tank, and have
    a life cycle range greater than 100 million, they would be a excellent
    choice.
    load cells in this range would cost $200 ea. w/ 0-5 vdc out . let me know
    if you need some. Alan
    Original Message
    From: Philippe Derenne <derennep@s...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter


    > Hi Ebow,
    >
    > I've seen an original sensor for that application. It's a capacitor, made
    of
    > two pieces of isolated wire, fixed side-by-side at a litttle distance.
    Those
    > two wires are fixed verticaly on the wall, in the tank.. As the water
    level
    > varies, the value of the capacitor varies also. This capacitor is used in
    an
    > oscillator, so the frequency changes with the water level. This system may
    > be used for other liquids like fuel.
    > If you're interrested, I can send you the schematic.
    >
    > Phil.
    > Computer Solutions - Belgium
    > derennep@s...
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Mindz Development House <mindz@a...>
    > To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > Cc: <ebowam@h...>
    > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:33 PM
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Water tank meter
    >
    >
    > > I have two 500 gallon water tanks as the main water supply source for a
    > > house. I'm trying to build a level meter using a Stamp. My major
    hurdle
    > is
    > > how to determine the water level in the tank electronically (without
    > > mechanical floats). Does anyone out there have any practical ideas?
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > Ebow
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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