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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2000-12-28 19:50 in General Discussion
If any of you folks need schematic capture and Gerber files made, please
drop me an email. I am a legal owner of the complete Orcad package and have
been doing boards for about 9+ years

Jay

pcb4u@e...

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 14:47
    I had four double sided boards made my ExpressPCB without silk screen and
    without resist. The quality was excellent (I have no connections with the
    firm) and the price was about $25 per board. I could not have purchased the
    equipment, spent the time nor come anywhere close to the quality of these
    boards. I can't see how you can beat the quality and ease of use with any
    homebrew method unless you plan to make bunches and bunches of boards
    --
    Richard Clemens
    clemens@w...



    Original Message
    From: "fernando hood" <hoodey@h...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:46 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs


    > Could you create PCB for this. Express PCB charges an arm and
    > a leg to do this.
    >
    >
    > >From: "Jay Kay" <pcb4u@e...>
    > >Reply-To: basicstamps@egroups.com
    > >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs
    > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:14:21 -0700
    > >
    > >If any of you folks need schematic capture and Gerber files made, please
    > >drop me an email. I am a legal owner of the complete Orcad package and
    have
    > >been doing boards for about 9+ years
    > >
    > >Jay
    > >
    > >pcb4u@e...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 15:36
    Fernando (and all),

    I don't create or build PCBs..I do design of boards and their artwork and
    create the files (gerbers) needed to have the board made.

    Jay

    Original Message
    From: fernando hood <hoodey@h...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:46 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs


    > Could you create PCB for this. Express PCB charges an arm and
    > a leg to do this.
    >
    >
    > >From: "Jay Kay" <pcb4u@e...>
    > >Reply-To: basicstamps@egroups.com
    > >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs
    > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:14:21 -0700
    > >
    > >If any of you folks need schematic capture and Gerber files made, please
    > >drop me an email. I am a legal owner of the complete Orcad package and
    have
    > >been doing boards for about 9+ years
    > >
    > >Jay
    > >
    > >pcb4u@e...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 15:39
    Rich,

    Thanks for info...not all boards come that cheap..I've done some 6-8 layers
    and quite large and dense.
    For the one time build, its the way to go. For those needing multi-layer and
    quantity, thats a different story

    Take care

    Jay

    Original Message
    From: Richard Clemens <clemens@w...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 6:47 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs


    > I had four double sided boards made my ExpressPCB without silk screen and
    > without resist. The quality was excellent (I have no connections with the
    > firm) and the price was about $25 per board. I could not have purchased
    the
    > equipment, spent the time nor come anywhere close to the quality of these
    > boards. I can't see how you can beat the quality and ease of use with any
    > homebrew method unless you plan to make bunches and bunches of boards
    > --
    > Richard Clemens
    > clemens@w...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: "fernando hood" <hoodey@h...>
    > To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:46 AM
    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs
    >
    >
    > > Could you create PCB for this. Express PCB charges an arm and
    > > a leg to do this.
    > >
    > >
    > > >From: "Jay Kay" <pcb4u@e...>
    > > >Reply-To: basicstamps@egroups.com
    > > >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > > >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs
    > > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:14:21 -0700
    > > >
    > > >If any of you folks need schematic capture and Gerber files made,
    please
    > > >drop me an email. I am a legal owner of the complete Orcad package and
    > have
    > > >been doing boards for about 9+ years
    > > >
    > > >Jay
    > > >
    > > >pcb4u@e...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 17:03
    > I had four double sided boards made my ExpressPCB without
    > silk screen and
    > without resist. The quality was excellent (I have no
    > connections with the
    > firm) and the price was about $25 per board. I could not
    > have purchased the
    > equipment, spent the time nor come anywhere close to the
    > quality of these
    > boards. I can't see how you can beat the quality and ease of
    > use with any
    > homebrew method unless you plan to make bunches and bunches of boards

    My article will show you how to do single sided boards for less than $4 a
    piece. You can shoot double sided with a little practice (I don't do this
    yet). My method is great if your design crash and burns (you make a circuit
    error). You can make a correction and reshoot in less than a day without
    losing your shirt.

    The quality of the etching and traces is every part as good as professional
    boards. However, I have not tried making really fine traces. One thing I
    strive for is to leave as much copper on the board as possible. This
    creates large ground planes and requires less etching.

    Paul
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 17:09
    RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs

    Hi Paul,

    You keep mentioning about your article in quite a few conversation threads here in this forum. Is there a place to get it and read it online somehow ? Or can you send us a link to get to it ?

    Looks like your article will help me a great deal with my miniature robot ?


    thanks
    nagi



    Original Message

    From: Paul Verhage [noparse]/noparse][url=mailto:pverhage@sd131.k12.id.us]mailto[noparse]:p[/noparse]verhage@sd131.k12.id.us[/url
    Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:04 AM
    To: 'basicstamps@egroups.com'
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs


    > I had four double sided boards made my ExpressPCB without
    > silk screen and
    > without resist.· The quality was excellent (I have no
    > connections with the
    > firm) and the price was about $25 per board.· I could not
    > have purchased the
    > equipment, spent the time nor come anywhere close to the
    > quality of these
    > boards.· I can't see how you can beat the quality and ease of
    > use with any
    > homebrew method unless you plan to make bunches and bunches of boards

    My article will show you how to do single sided boards for less than $4 a
    piece.· You can shoot double sided with a little practice (I don't do this
    yet).· My method is great if your design crash and burns (you make a circuit
    error).· You can make a correction and reshoot in less than a day without
    losing your shirt.

    The quality of the etching and traces is every part as good as professional
    boards.· However, I have not tried making really fine traces.· One thing I
    strive for is to leave as much copper on the board as possible.· This
    creates large ground planes and requires less etching.

    Paul
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 17:40
    > I don't create or build PCBs..I do design of boards and their artwork and
    > create the files (gerbers) needed to have the board made.

    I've seen a lot of folks reply this way, however, as a hobbyist (ie: one who
    does not necessarily count the value of their time in the cost of a
    product), who can build a quality single sided board for $4.00USD (that's
    board, chemicals, etc), even $25 each is way more than I'm willing to spend.

    -- Mitch
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 17:48
    I agree with the guy who said go to the board house and let them do
    it, He is making 4 boards I want 1, the cost of my one will be about
    the same as his 4 if you are going to make multiple boards its best to
    let some one else do it.

    "Mitchell D. Miller" wrote:
    >
    > > I don't create or build PCBs..I do design of boards and their artwork and
    > > create the files (gerbers) needed to have the board made.
    >
    > I've seen a lot of folks reply this way, however, as a hobbyist (ie: one who
    > does not necessarily count the value of their time in the cost of a
    > product), who can build a quality single sided board for $4.00USD (that's
    > board, chemicals, etc), even $25 each is way more than I'm willing to spend.
    >
    > -- Mitch
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 20:01
    Hi Paul,
    You keep mentioning about your article in quite a few conversation threads
    here in this forum. Is there a place to get it and read it online somehow ?
    Or can you send us a link to get to it ?
    Looks like your article will help me a great deal with my miniature robot ?


    The article is set to be published in the December issue of Circuit Cellar
    Inc. It should be available on the news stands next month. The magazine
    has scanned the images and it looks like I have a contract in my email.
    Apparently, its ready to go to the printer.

    Paul
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-10-04 20:46
    Could you create PCB for this. Express PCB charges an arm and
    a leg to do this.


    >From: "Jay Kay" <pcb4u@e...>
    >Reply-To: basicstamps@egroups.com
    >To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    >Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] PCBs
    >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:14:21 -0700
    >
    >If any of you folks need schematic capture and Gerber files made, please
    >drop me an email. I am a legal owner of the complete Orcad package and have
    >been doing boards for about 9+ years
    >
    >Jay
    >
    >pcb4u@e...
    >
    >
    >
    >

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-12-27 22:57
    I just got my Jan 2.001K copy of Circuit Cellar in the mail
    and Paul's article is there p 20 - 27; Looks good Paul!

    I have a plastic card a dermatologist gave me to test
    for solar ultraviolet - it turns various shades and then
    slowly resets - could this be useful for determining correct
    PCB resist exposure? [noparse][[/noparse]presumably exposing it to the
    UV source for x seconds where the circuit board will
    be and reading the level from the card's color change...].

    I have used sun lamps in the past [noparse][[/noparse]combination of mercury
    arc capsule and tunsten] and exposure was always a bit hit or
    miss. Perhaps the newer resist is more tolerant - haven't
    used it - yet...

    Thanks, premena

    >>
    Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:01:09 -0600
    From: Paul Verhage <pverhage@s...>
    Subject: RE: PCBs

    The article is set to be published in the December issue of Circuit
    Cellar
    Inc. It should be available on the news stands next month. The magazine
    has scanned the images and it looks like I have a contract in my email.
    Apparently, its ready to go to the printer.
    <<

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-12-28 19:50
    Glad to hear its finally coming out. I haven't seen my copies yet. The
    local book stores here don't sell CCI on the news stand anymore.

    > I just got my Jan 2.001K copy of Circuit Cellar in the mail
    > and Paul's article is there p 20 - 27; Looks good Paul!
    >
    > I have a plastic card a dermatologist gave me to test
    > for solar ultraviolet - it turns various shades and then
    > slowly resets - could this be useful for determining correct
    > PCB resist exposure? [noparse][[/noparse]presumably exposing it to the
    > UV source for x seconds where the circuit board will
    > be and reading the level from the card's color change...].

    I picked up some UV beads at a science teachers conference last October that
    do the same. It didn't occur to me to try them out on the UV table. I
    guess the only problem is determing when the beads or card are at the right
    level of color, or darkness. Does your card have a scale printed on it to
    determine which level of darkness represents how much exposure?

    > I have used sun lamps in the past [noparse][[/noparse]combination of mercury
    > arc capsule and tunsten] and exposure was always a bit hit or
    > miss. Perhaps the newer resist is more tolerant - haven't
    > used it - yet...

    I know the sun's level of intensity changes. That's why I prefer to use a
    UV table with a constant light source.

    Paul
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