Cell phone interface for Parallax Stamp project s
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But what if he killed someone else?
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From: LarryGaminde [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=5lk22xNGRF1Y9Kr-OzdYG_5FO_PMBkwj0U5Vv21kcI0igAC_HTjWsznc0T4Het_pK7LCyYCTdH-0RT6BcaI]lgaminde@t...[/url
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If he steals he get what he deserves
Beau Schwabe wrote:
>
> At 11:53 AM 9/19/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >Joshua,
> >
> >Thanks for your information, that's exactly what I was
> >looking for! I am trying to build an alarm for my
> >automobile that will interface with a cell phone. If
> >someone steals my car, I want the ability to dial up
> >the car and turn it off. If you have anymore ideas on
> >how to better develop my concept, please let me know.
> >Your advice was excellent, I would love to hear more
> >input if you have the time.
> >
> >Thanks again!
> >
> >Todd
>
> Good Idea, but the reason something like this isn't on
> the market... Suppose that when you turned your car
> "OFF", the robber was crossing an intersection, railroad,
> or on an 8-lane hwy and was killed, or killed someone
> else because of your actions of turning the car off.
>
> YOU my friend would be charged with vehicular homicide.
>
> Beau Schwabe IC Mask Designer
> National Semiconductor Network Products Division
> 500 Pinnacle Court, Suite 525 Mail Stop GA1 Norcross, GA 30071
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From: LarryGaminde [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=5lk22xNGRF1Y9Kr-OzdYG_5FO_PMBkwj0U5Vv21kcI0igAC_HTjWsznc0T4Het_pK7LCyYCTdH-0RT6BcaI]lgaminde@t...[/url
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Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phone interface for Parallax Stamp
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If he steals he get what he deserves
Beau Schwabe wrote:
>
> At 11:53 AM 9/19/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >Joshua,
> >
> >Thanks for your information, that's exactly what I was
> >looking for! I am trying to build an alarm for my
> >automobile that will interface with a cell phone. If
> >someone steals my car, I want the ability to dial up
> >the car and turn it off. If you have anymore ideas on
> >how to better develop my concept, please let me know.
> >Your advice was excellent, I would love to hear more
> >input if you have the time.
> >
> >Thanks again!
> >
> >Todd
>
> Good Idea, but the reason something like this isn't on
> the market... Suppose that when you turned your car
> "OFF", the robber was crossing an intersection, railroad,
> or on an 8-lane hwy and was killed, or killed someone
> else because of your actions of turning the car off.
>
> YOU my friend would be charged with vehicular homicide.
>
> Beau Schwabe IC Mask Designer
> National Semiconductor Network Products Division
> 500 Pinnacle Court, Suite 525 Mail Stop GA1 Norcross, GA 30071
Comments
The original statement was what if the car got turned off in a potentially
dangerous location and caused someone to get killed.
Original Message
From: LarryGaminde [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=PAB9ExHV-WiCIsckW-9mB7xSUE7l53RzxI5YkmnxKTO5x865ZtSI_nZHofq9xn959LR-uIGBRBVm40TB2FuX]lgaminde@t...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:34 PM
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Well what if he is speeding in a stolen car and kills someone else ???
The fact is there are alarms now on the market that shut off the
engine after a time-out period
Levi Ruiz wrote:
>
> But what if he killed someone else?
>
>
Original Message
> From: LarryGaminde [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=PAB9ExHV-WiCIsckW-9mB7xSUE7l53RzxI5YkmnxKTO5x865ZtSI_nZHofq9xn959LR-uIGBRBVm40TB2FuX]lgaminde@t...[/url
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:27 PM
> To: basicstamps@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phone interface for Parallax Stamp
> projects
>
> If he steals he get what he deserves
>
> Beau Schwabe wrote:
> >
> > At 11:53 AM 9/19/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Joshua,
> > >
> > >Thanks for your information, that's exactly what I was
> > >looking for! I am trying to build an alarm for my
> > >automobile that will interface with a cell phone. If
> > >someone steals my car, I want the ability to dial up
> > >the car and turn it off. If you have anymore ideas on
> > >how to better develop my concept, please let me know.
> > >Your advice was excellent, I would love to hear more
> > >input if you have the time.
> > >
> > >Thanks again!
> > >
> > >Todd
> >
> > Good Idea, but the reason something like this isn't on
> > the market... Suppose that when you turned your car
> > "OFF", the robber was crossing an intersection, railroad,
> > or on an 8-lane hwy and was killed, or killed someone
> > else because of your actions of turning the car off.
> >
> > YOU my friend would be charged with vehicular homicide.
> >
> > Beau Schwabe IC Mask Designer
> > National Semiconductor Network Products Division
> > 500 Pinnacle Court, Suite 525 Mail Stop GA1 Norcross, GA 30071
The fact is there are alarms now on the market that shut off the
engine after a time-out period
Levi Ruiz wrote:
>
> But what if he killed someone else?
>
>
Original Message
> From: LarryGaminde [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=5LvO-op2BgWBO8_fty2EpVLwLZ69viUQIfQVK7toNRgMqJKRKw79TmQJiwN2lEjCrMOpuesCHWJU877FdQ]lgaminde@t...[/url
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:27 PM
> To: basicstamps@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phone interface for Parallax Stamp
> projects
>
> If he steals he get what he deserves
>
> Beau Schwabe wrote:
> >
> > At 11:53 AM 9/19/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Joshua,
> > >
> > >Thanks for your information, that's exactly what I was
> > >looking for! I am trying to build an alarm for my
> > >automobile that will interface with a cell phone. If
> > >someone steals my car, I want the ability to dial up
> > >the car and turn it off. If you have anymore ideas on
> > >how to better develop my concept, please let me know.
> > >Your advice was excellent, I would love to hear more
> > >input if you have the time.
> > >
> > >Thanks again!
> > >
> > >Todd
> >
> > Good Idea, but the reason something like this isn't on
> > the market... Suppose that when you turned your car
> > "OFF", the robber was crossing an intersection, railroad,
> > or on an 8-lane hwy and was killed, or killed someone
> > else because of your actions of turning the car off.
> >
> > YOU my friend would be charged with vehicular homicide.
> >
> > Beau Schwabe IC Mask Designer
> > National Semiconductor Network Products Division
> > 500 Pinnacle Court, Suite 525 Mail Stop GA1 Norcross, GA 30071
not being driven by the owner, and most likely the person driving a
car without the permission of the owner will not follow the traffic
laws ? they want to have fun.
>
> That wasn't the issue, if he is speeding then it is something different.
> The original statement was what if the car got turned off in a potentially
> dangerous location and caused someone to get killed.
>
>
Original Message
> From: LarryGaminde [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=oMh6EHYMah4FrYv8vwdeD7c9XLytUieyy6QsBtBAIobm7auGn91FFGPvBLlqe5r5gE1-jBNqgqFGFnWxaRUk]lgaminde@t...[/url
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:34 PM
> To: basicstamps@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phone interface for Parallax Stamp
> project s
>
> Well what if he is speeding in a stolen car and kills someone else ???
>
> The fact is there are alarms now on the market that shut off the
> engine after a time-out period
>
> Levi Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > But what if he killed someone else?
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: LarryGaminde [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=oMh6EHYMah4FrYv8vwdeD7c9XLytUieyy6QsBtBAIobm7auGn91FFGPvBLlqe5r5gE1-jBNqgqFGFnWxaRUk]lgaminde@t...[/url
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:27 PM
> > To: basicstamps@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phone interface for Parallax Stamp
> > projects
> >
> > If he steals he get what he deserves
> >
> > Beau Schwabe wrote:
> > >
> > > At 11:53 AM 9/19/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Joshua,
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for your information, that's exactly what I was
> > > >looking for! I am trying to build an alarm for my
> > > >automobile that will interface with a cell phone. If
> > > >someone steals my car, I want the ability to dial up
> > > >the car and turn it off. If you have anymore ideas on
> > > >how to better develop my concept, please let me know.
> > > >Your advice was excellent, I would love to hear more
> > > >input if you have the time.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks again!
> > > >
> > > >Todd
> > >
> > > Good Idea, but the reason something like this isn't on
> > > the market... Suppose that when you turned your car
> > > "OFF", the robber was crossing an intersection, railroad,
> > > or on an 8-lane hwy and was killed, or killed someone
> > > else because of your actions of turning the car off.
> > >
> > > YOU my friend would be charged with vehicular homicide.
> > >
> > > Beau Schwabe IC Mask Designer
> > > National Semiconductor Network Products Division
> > > 500 Pinnacle Court, Suite 525 Mail Stop GA1 Norcross, GA 30071
definitely be an attention getter.
Original Message
From: Jeff Johnson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=JxA2XgDULzcwfYwJ0t_GjnxiJ4VuwBlx-UoA_ng7y9GNdQeLjYZZN7N9Ftbrkcbfr0C7oViDpYEvsX1oSMuXbJpSjw6Vmifc]astutesolutions@e...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:07 PM
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Excerpts from Stamp_List: 19-Sep-100 Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phon.. by
Beau·Schwabe@a...
> Good Idea, but the reason something like this isn't on
> the market... Suppose that when you turned your car
> "OFF", the robber was crossing an intersection, railroad,
> or on an 8-lane hwy and was killed, or killed someone
> else because of your actions of turning the car off.
>
> YOU my friend would be charged with vehicular homicide.
True, it is dangerous to shut down the engine. What if it was drastically
slowed down 30 seconds after you left the car by reducing the fuel? A stamp
could be programmed to slow down the engine 30 seconds after the seat belt
is removed by controlling a solenoid blocking the fuel line with a small
bypass line in parallel with the blocking solenoid. Most car jackers
wouldn't put the seat belt on, so if your Stamp monitored the drivers seat
belt, it could prevent starting without it, or shut down after a short time.
You would have to make sure you put it back on if you take it off to get
your wallet or something.
Lets see the guy get away while only being able to drive 20 MPH, oh yeah,
and the horn going off!
active railroad crossing, lock the doors, blare Howard Stern on the radio
then kill the engine.
my $.04 (inflation)
-erik
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From: Levi Ruiz [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Tbzp32bhC5cXuefOvhEg2fi5wsKwQ_QUkoYTI85ZqPiZR0Vbu0hzwZYvDmsUbSIJ-6Pms3-y-zFHx3nn]Levi@P...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:19 PM
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Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phone interface for Parallax Stamp
project s
I like that horn idea, there are no safety or legal issues, and it would
definitely be an attention getter.
Original Message
From: Jeff Johnson [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=sIHXVFiZUYzufg2WztIZZJcX7a88skzrhB3Wh7swdSCdeUBg7pz_HFn82XKsifdJ19YG5py_ioCJ64YoqNnPzVDImKHt]astutesolutions@e...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:07 PM
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Excerpts from Stamp_List: 19-Sep-100 Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Cell phon.. by
Beau·Schwabe@a...
> Good Idea, but the reason something like this isn't on
> the market... Suppose that when you turned your car
> "OFF", the robber was crossing an intersection, railroad,
> or on an 8-lane hwy and was killed, or killed someone
> else because of your actions of turning the car off.
>
> YOU my friend would be charged with vehicular homicide.
True, it is dangerous to shut down the engine. What if it was drastically
slowed down 30 seconds after you left the car by reducing the fuel? A stamp
could be programmed to slow down the engine 30 seconds after the seat belt
is removed by controlling a solenoid blocking the fuel line with a small
bypass line in parallel with the blocking solenoid. Most car jackers
wouldn't put the seat belt on, so if your Stamp monitored the drivers seat
belt, it could prevent starting without it, or shut down after a short time.
You would have to make sure you put it back on if you take it off to get
your wallet or something.
Lets see the guy get away while only being able to drive 20 MPH, oh yeah,
and the horn going off!
the car driven to the nearest railroad crossing,
blaring Howard Stern and wait for the thief's eminent
demise! [noparse]:)[/noparse] Good one Erik.
I wasn't aware there were legal issues surrounding the
horn. Interesting.
About the application side of this. My goal is simply
to develop a system to monitor the cars location and
turn it off so I may recover it. I live in a large
town and theft is a major issue. Plus, it sounds like
a fun project!
Thanks,
Todd
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erikj@n... writes:
> I think the stamp *should* be programmed to take the car to the nearest
> active railroad crossing, lock the doors, blare Howard Stern on the radio
> then kill the engine.
So the thief would die laughing.... Very humane: being crushed by a
locomotive in the middle of a good laugh.
you heard of Trimble(http://www.trimble.com)? We integrate devices like this
into corp infrastructures (vehicles and the such).
Another approach is homebrew APRS. The site
http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm listed earlier in the thread is a great
start for APRS resources. http://www.tapr.org/ is also a good start.
If you have a WAP device, you can have the APRS site notify your 2-way pager
or web enabled phone. A simple reply from the WAP device to the server to
communicate instructions to the in vehicle device to execute the "Death by
Stern" [noparse][[/noparse]DBS] script referred below.
Think the insurance companies would endorse it?
-erik
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From: Todd Botner [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=r8DoOzCKjOII5y-16QdLoFKRXvlrI-vdlNALDvQ2XxT54IBseHKRgRTbAKjDFnnBr_ZT1yuLWoRki9q60A]contacttodd@y...[/url
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:02 PM
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project s
Laugh! I'm still laughing about the idea of having
the car driven to the nearest railroad crossing,
blaring Howard Stern and wait for the thief's eminent
demise! [noparse]:)[/noparse] Good one Erik.
I wasn't aware there were legal issues surrounding the
horn. Interesting.
About the application side of this. My goal is simply
to develop a system to monitor the cars location and
turn it off so I may recover it. I live in a large
town and theft is a major issue. Plus, it sounds like
a fun project!
Thanks,
Todd
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> I've been tinkering with the same paradigm, different approach though. Have
> you heard of Trimble(http://www.trimble.com)? We integrate devices like this
> into corp infrastructures (vehicles and the such).
>
> Another approach is homebrew APRS. The site
> http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm listed earlier in the thread is a great
> start for APRS resources. http://www.tapr.org/ is also a good start.
>
> If you have a WAP device, you can have the APRS site notify your 2-way pager
> or web enabled phone. <deleted>
This is an option on some commercial car alarms (e.g. Clifford). I didn't
get that option. When vacationing in Paris, the last thing I want to know is
that my car in LA was just stolen.
Dennis