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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2000-08-15 13:25 in General Discussion
Will,

Thank you for the info, I will check out your link.

It would be great to get kilowatt-seconds pretty accurately, its a hot
forming app, we need to
measure bends and meet dimensional requirements after heating,i.e. the
different heat input gives different dimensions. Right now, its all done by
seat of the pants, some senior personnel are incredibly good at it.

Also was considering a gaussmeter, any comments
on this method?

Thanks again,

Mark

Original Message
From: will koopman <kiddies@t...>
To: basicstamps@egroups.com <basicstamps@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:AD7750


>what you could do is use a standard radio watt meter
>microchip.com have got how to make one in there pic application section
>this would be the ideal thing for an induction heater coil type
>application
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Comments

  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-13 20:48
    Mark:
    The induction heater runs from 120 or 240 AC line, I assume. Have you
    looked into watt-second measurement of the AC input? There should be pretty
    good correlation between input and output power.

    Just a suggestion,
    Ray McArthur

    > It would be great to get kilowatt-seconds pretty accurately, its a hot
    > forming app, we need to
    > measure bends and meet dimensional requirements after heating,i.e. the
    > different heat input gives different dimensions. Right now, its all done
    by
    > seat of the pants, some senior personnel are incredibly good at it.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-13 21:02
    Mark, another suggestion:

    Build an adjustable counter/timer that controls how many cycles of AC line
    are applied to the input of the heater. This is often done with SCRs
    controlling spot welders, where a little trial and error is used to set weld
    time and achieve optimum welds. The main disadvantage is inconsistency when
    line voltage changes excessively, but it should be a big improvement over
    "seat of the pants".

    > Ray McArthur
    >
    > > It would be great to get kilowatt-seconds pretty accurately, its a hot
    > > forming app, we need to
    > > measure bends and meet dimensional requirements after heating,i.e. the
    > > different heat input gives different dimensions. Right now, its all done
    > by
    > > seat of the pants, some senior personnel are incredibly good at it.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-15 04:34
    Hi Ray:

    Thanks for the great suggestions.

    Actually, they run on 440VAC, not that it makes any difference, (they do say
    there's a huge rate savings on 440VAC (?)) I'm not an expert on this
    subject, so humor me a little on the following, but I didn't think measuring
    changes in the 440VAC input would give meaningful for a few of reasons.

    -The wide 30°F daily ambient shop temperature swings, from early in the
    morning to late afternoon.
    -They're radiator cooled.
    -All the senior personnel are fiercely protective of their "special
    settings", i.e, taps, power setting, etc, don't even want to think about
    interfering here.

    So, I really though I should concentrate on somehow measuring power output
    from coil, using a STAMP of course, hooked up to an LCD.

    From technical standpoint I like these suggestions a lot, very interesting,
    especially counting the cycles-now that's good, learned a lot.

    Thanks,

    Mark


    Original Message
    From: rjmca <rjmca@w...>
    To: basicstamps@egroups.com <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 12:45 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:AD7750 OT


    >Mark:
    >The induction heater runs from 120 or 240 AC line, I assume. Have you
    >looked into watt-second measurement of the AC input? There should be
    pretty
    >good correlation between input and output power.
    >
    >Just a suggestion,
    >Ray McArthur
    >
    >> It would be great to get kilowatt-seconds pretty accurately, its a hot
    >> forming app, we need to
    >> measure bends and meet dimensional requirements after heating,i.e. the
    >> different heat input gives different dimensions. Right now, its all done
    >by
    >> seat of the pants, some senior personnel are incredibly good at it.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-15 05:13
    Mark:
    That's a tough problem that I have no good ideas for.

    Ray McArthur

    Original Message
    From: techno_masai <plunkettm@e...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:34 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:AD7750 OT

    > So, I really though I should concentrate on somehow measuring power output
    > from coil, using a STAMP of course, hooked up to an LCD.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-15 06:49
    rjmca wrote:

    > Mark:
    > That's a tough problem that I have no good ideas for.
    >
    > Ray McArthur
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: techno_masai <plunkettm@e...>
    > To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:34 PM
    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:AD7750 OT
    >
    > > So, I really though I should concentrate on somehow measuring power output
    > > from coil, using a STAMP of course, hooked up to an LCD.

    Maybe you are " looking " at the wrong end of things ????
    What I mean is this ,, how is the heater controlled now .
    If it is a " pot " then you most likely have a DC. voltage level
    And I bet you a cup of tea that there is circuitry that converts the
    output power level to a DC voltage that is compared to the
    control voltage level to set the phase angle for driving the SCR's

    Also I would think that a " heater " of the size that you are describing
    would have some type of output level indicator ... If there is no meter
    on the control panel , there is still a chance that there is some kind of
    circuitry for a output level meter on the driver board.

    Also you might want to try this . Put a few turns of insulated wire
    around the main output bus - bar connect this " coil " to a
    bridge rectifier AC. put a cap and a meter on the DC. and
    adjust the turns till you see a workable voltage level.



    Good Luck Raven
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-15 13:25
    Your electrical contractor can set up some sub metering units. These have
    current coils to make connections relatively easy, and all the metering
    functions you'll need.

    Paul

    rjmca wrote:

    > Mark:
    > That's a tough problem that I have no good ideas for.
    >
    > Ray McArthur
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: techno_masai <plunkettm@e...>
    > To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:34 PM
    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] RE:AD7750 OT
    >
    > > So, I really though I should concentrate on somehow measuring power output
    > > from coil, using a STAMP of course, hooked up to an LCD.
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