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Moisture meter?

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2000-08-17 00:08 in General Discussion
Does anybody have a suggestion to make a moisture sensor? I would like
make a sensor that outputs a low voltage when soil is dry, and a higher
voltage (~4.5v) when the soil is wet.

I can make one with a high gain transistor and a led, but the transistor
won't work with the ADC and I am having a mental block.

Thanx

Matthew

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-11 07:29
    At 19:53 10/08/00 -0700, you wrote:
    > Does anybody have a suggestion to make a moisture sensor? I would like
    >make a sensor that outputs a low voltage when soil is dry, and a higher
    >voltage (~4.5v) when the soil is wet.
    >
    > I can make one with a high gain transistor and a led, but the transistor
    >won't work with the ADC and I am having a mental block.
    >
    >Thanx
    >
    >Matthew
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Hi Matthew, have a look at the sensing part of my setup I made some time ago.
    You will have to change the chips to run it on 5v and also play with the
    frequency
    because on long run the capacitance of the twin wires wil afect it.
    Good luck, Steve
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-11 13:43
    Hello Steve:

    Your moisture meter looks great! Could you post some aditional detail on the
    list, like:

    - what kind of probes did you use
    - how works the sensor part
    - how the full device works
    - or any other about your soil moisture experience

    Thank you!
    Jorge Ferrero

    Original Message
    From: Svatopluk SKALICKA <steves@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:29 AM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Moisture meter?


    >Hi Matthew, have a look at the sensing part of my setup I made some time
    ago.
    > You will have to change the chips to run it on 5v and also play with the
    > frequency
    > because on long run the capacitance of the twin wires wil afect it.
    > Good luck, Steve
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-11 15:54
    Thankyou all for your excellent sugestions. My wife will be very pleased
    that I spent hours pulling my hair out instead of buying a $8 soil moisture
    meter :-)


    Original Message
    From: "Matthew Lewis" <aiden.bell@h...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 7:53 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Moisture meter?


    > Does anybody have a suggestion to make a moisture sensor? I would
    like
    > make a sensor that outputs a low voltage when soil is dry, and a higher
    > voltage (~4.5v) when the soil is wet.
    >
    > I can make one with a high gain transistor and a led, but the
    transistor
    > won't work with the ADC and I am having a mental block.
    >
    > Thanx
    >
    > Matthew
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-11 16:34
    I think there are commercial sensors for sprinkler systems
    which vary resistance with soil moisture. Probably
    worth looking at in your local hardware store.

    I hear that gypsum, commonly available in the form of
    sheet rock [noparse][[/noparse]inside the cardboard!], makes a decent sensor
    of moisture when you put it between two conductors.

    With any resistive sensor bear in mind that if you use
    DC current to sense the resistance you will often run
    into polarization problems - as ions build up on one
    side of the sensor the resistance changes even with
    constant moisture. AC excitation across the sense
    resistance prevents polarizing the electrodes.

    Another possibility is to use a humidity sensor in a
    "dry" air well dug into the soil.

    Good luck

    >>>
    Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:53:59 -0700
    From: "Matthew Lewis" <aiden.bell@h...>
    Does anybody have a suggestion to make a moisture sensor? I would
    like
    make a sensor that outputs a low voltage when soil is dry, and a higher
    voltage (~4.5v) when the soil is wet.
    <<<

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-16 08:43
    At 09:43 11/08/00 -0300, you wrote:
    >Hello Steve:
    >
    >Your moisture meter looks great! Could you post some aditional detail on the
    >list, like:
    >
    >- what kind of probes did you use
    >- how works the sensor part
    >- how the full device works
    >- or any other about your soil moisture experience
    >
    >Thank you!
    >Jorge Ferrero
    >
    >
    Original Message
    Hi Jorge,
    The moisture meter (sensor part), I have made some thre years ago, as is on
    the schema to monitor solution
    level in a tank and it is stil runing. It is mounted on the tank with wery
    short, separated leeds going to the probes.
    When the probes are gry, IC1b inputs are hold low by 10M resistor, when wet
    (moist), oscilator formed by
    IC1a, 100n and 33k charges through the probes and diodes cap 2n2 and taking
    the inputs of IC1b high.
    4093 NAND Schmitt Triger must have both imputs high for its output to go low.
    I did made an oversight when drawing this schema. This I picked up during
    the construction. As it is I would
    have wrong polarity at the input to IC2a. On dry probes, its input must be
    high. The second input is low
    and waiting on high from the SEQUENCER to turn the relay on. I have put the
    fourth gate, IC1d, of the IC package in series with the IC1c and connected
    a 1k res. with green led in between them, when on, it indicates
    moist condition.
    The SEQUENCER consist of a timer, using 4060 Ripple Counter. It has build
    in oscilator. The timing is selected
    (changed) on the 10 way DIL Switch. 4017 is a counter with 1-of-10 outputs.
    With reset connected to the ground
    you get high on the Q0 to Q9 one by one, only one at a time, nonstop. The
    duration of the high is preset on the firt 10 way DIL Switch. On the second
    10 way DIL Switch you select the lines you want to have on (or off).
    The high signal from the Sequencer goes to the second input of IC2a and if
    its first input is also high,
    on dry probes, the output goes low turning on the PN200 and the relay.

    When I finnished this, on the benchtop it worked perfectly for two days bud
    I did run into trouble when
    connecting it to the twinwires, 30 to 50m long, going to the probes. Its
    capacitance must have caused a curent
    leaking across and indicating high without the probes being yet connected.
    I lowered frequency of the oscilator by replacing 33k res. with 470k. That
    did fix it. You could encounter the same problem if you run
    the wires close to the power mains, picking up strays. In this case the
    only solution would be to make
    the sensor a part of the probe with common, +12v and signal wires going to
    the rest of the unit or using
    shielded cable.
    For the probes, well, unles it is for a laboratory or similar use, what
    ever you can make.
    It may be a block of rubber or plastic, (nonconductive), with two pieces of
    solid core bare coper wire embeded
    in it and slightly protruding to be used in a mist propagating greenhouse
    to anything similar to what I made.
    200mm lenghts of the aloy car brake line, with pieces of insulated wire
    soldered to it at one end, on the outside, before pushing through it the
    thickest insulated solid core copper wire that would fit in and fixing
    it at both ends with epoxy. Two wires at one end are connected to the
    moisture sensor. At he other end I trimed the wire to about 4mm and striped
    the insulation. Nothing fancy.

    The only reason I did his unit is to prevent drop of water presure when to
    many lines are open at one time.
    Witht this only one line is open at any one time and only if that area does
    need to be watered.
    It should be feasible to replace the sequencer and gates with a stamp.

    Sorry for my english, I wasn`t born speaking it and didn`t learn it at school.


    Saludos, Steve
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-08-17 00:08
    Hi Steve,

    Thank you very much for your explanations; I understand your device enough
    as for beginning my own experience. Your experience, advices and comments
    will be very usefull for me!

    ...and your english is very good! (English is not my native language
    neither)

    best regards

    Jorge

    Original Message
    From: Svatopluk SKALICKA <steves@a...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 4:43 AM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Moisture meter?


    > >
    Original Message
    > Hi Jorge,
    > The moisture meter (sensor part), I have made some thre years ago, as is
    on
    > the schema to monitor solution
    > level in a tank and it is stil runing. It is mounted on the tank with wery
    > short, separated leeds going to the probes.
    > When the probes are gry, IC1b inputs are hold low by 10M resistor, when
    wet
    > (moist), oscilator formed by
    > IC1a, 100n and 33k charges through the probes and diodes cap 2n2 and
    taking
    > the inputs of IC1b high.
    > 4093 NAND Schmitt Triger must have both imputs high for its output to go
    low.
    > I did made an oversight when drawing this schema. This I picked up during
    > the construction. As it is I would
    > have wrong polarity at the input to IC2a. On dry probes, its input must
    be
    > high. The second input is low
    > and waiting on high from the SEQUENCER to turn the relay on. I have put
    the
    > fourth gate, IC1d, of the IC package in series with the IC1c and connected
    > a 1k res. with green led in between them, when on, it indicates
    > moist condition.
    > The SEQUENCER consist of a timer, using 4060 Ripple Counter. It has build
    > in oscilator. The timing is selected
    > (changed) on the 10 way DIL Switch. 4017 is a counter with 1-of-10
    outputs.
    > With reset connected to the ground
    > you get high on the Q0 to Q9 one by one, only one at a time, nonstop. The
    > duration of the high is preset on the firt 10 way DIL Switch. On the
    second
    > 10 way DIL Switch you select the lines you want to have on (or off).
    > The high signal from the Sequencer goes to the second input of IC2a and if
    > its first input is also high,
    > on dry probes, the output goes low turning on the PN200 and the relay.
    >
    > When I finnished this, on the benchtop it worked perfectly for two days
    bud
    > I did run into trouble when
    > connecting it to the twinwires, 30 to 50m long, going to the probes. Its
    > capacitance must have caused a curent
    > leaking across and indicating high without the probes being yet connected.
    > I lowered frequency of the oscilator by replacing 33k res. with 470k. That
    > did fix it. You could encounter the same problem if you run
    > the wires close to the power mains, picking up strays. In this case the
    > only solution would be to make
    > the sensor a part of the probe with common, +12v and signal wires going to
    > the rest of the unit or using
    > shielded cable.
    > For the probes, well, unles it is for a laboratory or similar use, what
    > ever you can make.
    > It may be a block of rubber or plastic, (nonconductive), with two pieces
    of
    > solid core bare coper wire embeded
    > in it and slightly protruding to be used in a mist propagating greenhouse
    > to anything similar to what I made.
    > 200mm lenghts of the aloy car brake line, with pieces of insulated wire
    > soldered to it at one end, on the outside, before pushing through it the
    > thickest insulated solid core copper wire that would fit in and fixing
    > it at both ends with epoxy. Two wires at one end are connected to the
    > moisture sensor. At he other end I trimed the wire to about 4mm and
    striped
    > the insulation. Nothing fancy.
    >
    > The only reason I did his unit is to prevent drop of water presure when
    to
    > many lines are open at one time.
    > Witht this only one line is open at any one time and only if that area
    does
    > need to be watered.
    > It should be feasible to replace the sequencer and gates with a stamp.
    >
    > Sorry for my english, I wasn`t born speaking it and didn`t learn it at
    school.
    >
    >
    > Saludos, Steve
    >
    >


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    >
    > Svata (Steve)
    > http://skalicka.8k.com
    >
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