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Solar Dish w/Motor Mind B tracking

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2000-07-08 04:33 in General Discussion
I was here years ago with a solar dish and now have results with a
question.

The solar dish PV concentrator tracks the sun with 4 photo resistors,
2 Motor Mind B, Basic Stamp2, and two 12 VDC gear motors - about 0.3
and 1.2 amps max. The Motor Minds work very well with this tracker.
The solar dish is at http://www.harbornet.com/sunflower/pvdish.html

This is work in progress and today's task is to determine the size
and type of capacitors to put across the motor leads to reduce motor
hum and vibration during STOP commands. The motors are driven at
various speeds in both directions.

I saw one reference to 47uf in the archives, is this correct? Must it
be not polarized or can I use an electrolytic cap?

I am new to this list.
Thanks,
Doug.

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-07-06 21:31
    it cannot be polarized, as you reverse the voltage to drive it.
    it must be an np type.
    as to its value you will have to experement, but the higher the value the
    longer the motor will run after you have removed its drive power.

    Norm & Monda
    Cozy MK IV #202
    Ford V-6 Powered
    Original Message
    From: <fox@d...>
    To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:05 PM
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Solar Dish w/Motor Mind B tracking


    > I was here years ago with a solar dish and now have results with a
    > question.
    >
    > The solar dish PV concentrator tracks the sun with 4 photo resistors,
    > 2 Motor Mind B, Basic Stamp2, and two 12 VDC gear motors - about 0.3
    > and 1.2 amps max. The Motor Minds work very well with this tracker.
    > The solar dish is at http://www.harbornet.com/sunflower/pvdish.html
    >
    > This is work in progress and today's task is to determine the size
    > and type of capacitors to put across the motor leads to reduce motor
    > hum and vibration during STOP commands. The motors are driven at
    > various speeds in both directions.
    >
    > I saw one reference to 47uf in the archives, is this correct? Must it
    > be not polarized or can I use an electrolytic cap?
    >
    > I am new to this list.
    > Thanks,
    > Doug.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-07-07 01:31
    Why not try to just short the motor leads together for stop

    norm doty wrote:
    >
    > it cannot be polarized, as you reverse the voltage to drive it.
    > it must be an np type.
    > as to its value you will have to experement, but the higher the value the
    > longer the motor will run after you have removed its drive power.
    >
    > Norm & Monda
    > Cozy MK IV #202
    > Ford V-6 Powered
    >
    Original Message
    > From: <fox@d...>
    > To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:05 PM
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Solar Dish w/Motor Mind B tracking
    >
    > > I was here years ago with a solar dish and now have results with a
    > > question.
    > >
    > > The solar dish PV concentrator tracks the sun with 4 photo resistors,
    > > 2 Motor Mind B, Basic Stamp2, and two 12 VDC gear motors - about 0.3
    > > and 1.2 amps max. The Motor Minds work very well with this tracker.
    > > The solar dish is at http://www.harbornet.com/sunflower/pvdish.html
    > >
    > > This is work in progress and today's task is to determine the size
    > > and type of capacitors to put across the motor leads to reduce motor
    > > hum and vibration during STOP commands. The motors are driven at
    > > various speeds in both directions.
    > >
    > > I saw one reference to 47uf in the archives, is this correct? Must it
    > > be not polarized or can I use an electrolytic cap?
    > >
    > > I am new to this list.
    > > Thanks,
    > > Doug.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-07-07 16:35
    The Motor Mind B has a dynamic motor break pin, or I could cut IC
    power to the Motor Mind with a gate. Both of these solutions require
    using one more Stamp pin. (The stamp tracks the sun, watches user
    inputs, watches the weather, keeps xtal time, and controls receiver
    water flow so I need pins). Capacitors across motor leads seem to
    smooth out motor hum but I am concerned about damaging the Motor Mind
    with a too large capacitors. What happens if the Motor Mind is
    momentarily short circuit?

    --- In basicstamps@egroups.com, LarryGaminde <lgaminde@t...> wrote:
    > Why not try to just short the motor leads together for stop
    >
    > norm doty wrote:
    > >
    > > it cannot be polarized, as you reverse the voltage to drive it.
    > > it must be an np type.
    > > as to its value you will have to experement, but the higher the
    value the
    > > longer the motor will run after you have removed its drive power.
    > >
    > > Norm & Monda
    > > Cozy MK IV #202
    > > Ford V-6 Powered
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: <fox@d...>
    > > To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:05 PM
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Solar Dish w/Motor Mind B tracking
    > >
    > > > I was here years ago with a solar dish and now have results
    with
    a
    > > > question.
    > > >
    > > > The solar dish PV concentrator tracks the sun with 4 photo
    resistors,
    > > > 2 Motor Mind B, Basic Stamp2, and two 12 VDC gear motors -
    about
    0.3
    > > > and 1.2 amps max. The Motor Minds work very well with this
    tracker.
    > > > The solar dish is at
    http://www.harbornet.com/sunflower/pvdish.html
    > > >
    > > > This is work in progress and today's task is to determine the
    size
    > > > and type of capacitors to put across the motor leads to reduce
    motor
    > > > hum and vibration during STOP commands. The motors are driven
    at
    > > > various speeds in both directions.
    > > >
    > > > I saw one reference to 47uf in the archives, is this correct?
    Must it
    > > > be not polarized or can I use an electrolytic cap?
    > > >
    > > > I am new to this list.
    > > > Thanks,
    > > > Doug.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2000-07-08 04:33
    At 03:35 PM 7/7/00, you wrote:
    >The Motor Mind B has a dynamic motor break pin, or I could cut IC
    >power to the Motor Mind with a gate. Both of these solutions require
    >using one more Stamp pin. (The stamp tracks the sun, watches user
    >inputs, watches the weather, keeps xtal time, and controls receiver
    >water flow so I need pins). Capacitors across motor leads seem to
    >smooth out motor hum but I am concerned about damaging the Motor Mind
    >with a too large capacitors. What happens if the Motor Mind is
    >momentarily short circuit?


    This is strictly from memory, but as I remember the Motor Mind B uses an
    Allegro driver chip which is thermally protected. If overheating (for any
    reason) should occur (short, overload, high ambient) the chip will shut
    down before damage willl occur. It is generally NOT a recommended practice
    to use embedded, self-protective safety measures to provide ordinary
    functions which are otherwise provided. In the case of "must complete",
    sometime there is no other alternative. This would seem NOT to be the
    purpose here.

    YMMV, of course. Please check with the guys at Solutions Cubed for further
    information. They have always been very helpful whenever I have asked for
    technical assistance.

    Regards,

    Bruce Bates

    >--- In basicstamps@egroups.com, LarryGaminde <lgaminde@t...> wrote:
    > > Why not try to just short the motor leads together for stop
    > >
    > > norm doty wrote:
    > > >
    > > > it cannot be polarized, as you reverse the voltage to drive it.
    > > > it must be an np type.
    > > > as to its value you will have to experement, but the higher the
    >value the
    > > > longer the motor will run after you have removed its drive power.
    > > >
    > > > Norm & Monda
    > > > Cozy MK IV #202
    > > > Ford V-6 Powered
    > > >
    Original Message
    > > > From: <fox@d...>
    > > > To: <basicstamps@egroups.com>
    > > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:05 PM
    > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Solar Dish w/Motor Mind B tracking
    > > >
    > > > > I was here years ago with a solar dish and now have results
    >with
    >a
    > > > > question.
    > > > >
    > > > > The solar dish PV concentrator tracks the sun with 4 photo
    >resistors,
    > > > > 2 Motor Mind B, Basic Stamp2, and two 12 VDC gear motors -
    >about
    >0.3
    > > > > and 1.2 amps max. The Motor Minds work very well with this
    >tracker.
    > > > > The solar dish is at
    >http://www.harbornet.com/sunflower/pvdish.html
    > > > >
    > > > > This is work in progress and today's task is to determine the
    >size
    > > > > and type of capacitors to put across the motor leads to reduce
    >motor
    > > > > hum and vibration during STOP commands. The motors are driven
    >at
    > > > > various speeds in both directions.
    > > > >
    > > > > I saw one reference to 47uf in the archives, is this correct?
    >Must it
    > > > > be not polarized or can I use an electrolytic cap?
    > > > >
    > > > > I am new to this list.
    > > > > Thanks,
    > > > > Doug.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
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