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MACOS and SPIN1 for PROPELLER 1 - What are the latest IDE options?

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  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,040

    @DavidM said:
    ... this app is not for me, too simple.

    I suggest using flexspin directly instead then.

  • Wuerfel_21Wuerfel_21 Posts: 4,311
    edited 2023-01-26 23:08

    @evanh said:

    @DavidM said:
    ... this app is not for me, too simple.

    I suggest using flexspin directly instead then.

    This, basically. If you want terrifically complex, hook up Visual Studio Code or whatever full IDE to the flexspin CLI compiler. (This is what I do mostly)

  • what is Flexspin?

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,040

    It's the compiler used by Flexprop - https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/164187/flexspin-compiler-for-p2-assembly-spin-basic-and-c-in-one-compiler

    It is in the zip file you've downloaded.

    I use a regular text editor and the shell, so I'll let Ada give directions on using something like VSCode.

  • @evanh said:
    It's the compiler used by Flexprop - https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/164187/flexspin-compiler-for-p2-assembly-spin-basic-and-c-in-one-compiler

    It is in the zip file you've downloaded.

    I use a regular text editor and the shell, so I'll let Ada give directions on using something like VSCode.

    HI Evanh, thats cool and all, but I really dont want to get into that type of stuff. thanks anyway.

  • Wuerfel_21Wuerfel_21 Posts: 4,311
    edited 2023-01-26 23:49

    @evanh said:
    It's the compiler used by Flexprop - https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/164187/flexspin-compiler-for-p2-assembly-spin-basic-and-c-in-one-compiler

    It is in the zip file you've downloaded.

    I use a regular text editor and the shell, so I'll let Ada give directions on using something like VSCode.

    Text editor and shell is basically what VSC is, anyways. You can setup tasks for build/compile (as outlined by the guy making the spin syntax extension), but I prefer using the shell most of the time.

  • OK, I have the parallax PROPTOOL Working and i can COMPILE F8, i can open and save files. I have set up my syntax scheme to my licking.

    BUT..

    I cannot see how to get the serial ports working?

    I have installed the latest FTDi drivers and i have the propeller development board for 15 years ago, i have powered it up, but no success.
    I

    Can anyone tell me how to sort out the serial ports on a mac using propeller tool running in Crossover.
    I am using MAC OS Monterey.

    thanks

  • @evanh said:

    @DavidM said:
    When i open flexprop i get this..

    Lol, that's not a "doesn't work". That's a prevented from working. Obviously you'll have to change the setting to allow it to run.

    Just an FYI...

    To open an app the first time (if macOS says the identity of the developer is unknown), hold down the Control key when clicking on the app's icon. A pop-up window will allow you to choose 'Open'. You may get a couple of warnings, but getting beyond them, the app will open and will open normally on further attempts.

  • @dgately said:

    @evanh said:

    @DavidM said:
    When i open flexprop i get this..

    Lol, that's not a "doesn't work". That's a prevented from working. Obviously you'll have to change the setting to allow it to run.

    Just an FYI...

    To open an app the first time (if macOS says the identity of the developer is unknown), hold down the Control key when clicking on the app's icon. A pop-up window will allow you to choose 'Open'. You may get a couple of warnings, but getting beyond them, the app will open and will open normally on further attempts.

    OK, thanks

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,040

    @DavidM said:
    Can anyone tell me how to sort out the serial ports on a mac using propeller tool running in Crossover.
    I am using MAC OS Monterey.

    Hmm, looks like it's not automated - https://www.codeweavers.com/support/wiki/mac/mactutorial/usbtoserial2

  • dgatelydgately Posts: 1,619
    edited 2023-01-27 00:12

    @DavidM said:
    Can anyone tell me how to sort out the serial ports on a mac using propeller tool running in Crossover.
    I am using MAC OS Monterey.

    Not sure, but does Crossover create a .wine directory in your home directory? If wine (I'm assuming Crossover uses wine. If not, please ignore!) does not already create a link (alias or soft-link in macOS terms) for a DOS-type COM port to a macOS/UNIX/Linux type port, you need to create one.

    Here a 'COM2' link is created to the PropClip that I use (yours will have a different name)... The '-s' option creates a soft-link, which should be safer as removing it wont remove the target file:

    $ cd ~/.wine/dosdevices
    $ ln -s /dev/cu.usbserial-P8y12uhc COM2
    $ ls -al
    total 0
    drwxr-xr-x  5 me  staff  160 Jan 26 16:07 .
    drwxr-xr-x  8 me  staff  256 Dec 12  2021 ..
    lrwxr-xr-x  1 me  staff   26 Jan 26 16:07 COM2 -> /dev/cu.usbserial-P8y12uhc
    lrwxr-xr-x  1 me  staff   10 Dec 12  2021 c: -> ../drive_c
    lrwxr-xr-x  1 me  staff    1 Dec 12  2021 z: -> /
    

    COM2 should show up in the Propeller Tool (I hope!)

    dgately

  • HI dgately,

    Is this a bunch of Terminal commands? I am not to good at terminal on mac.

  • @evanh said:

    @DavidM said:
    Can anyone tell me how to sort out the serial ports on a mac using propeller tool running in Crossover.
    I am using MAC OS Monterey.

    Hmm, looks like it's not automated - https://www.codeweavers.com/support/wiki/mac/mactutorial/usbtoserial2

    Hi ,should i read this and try it out?

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,040

    I don't have a Mac, so yes.

  • OK, I tried the instruction in your link to code wevers,
    But it did not work. nothing is showing up in propeller tool ports.

  • @dgately said:

    Not sure, but does Crossover create a .wine directory in your home directory? If wine (I'm assuming Crossover uses wine. If not, please ignore!) does not already create a link (alias or soft-link in macOS terms) for a DOS-type COM port to a macOS/UNIX/Linux type port, you need to create one.

    this seems to be the directory structure of crossover on my mac.

    This is under user/me/library/application support/crossover....

  • dgatelydgately Posts: 1,619
    edited 2023-01-27 01:59

    With Crossover...

    Yeah, it is not a simple process. I was able to get a little further with the link below... I can only get Propeller Tool to recognize the P2, but cannot load RAM and just get a pop-up that states: "Checking COM1". I can get the Parallax Serial Terminal to receive text from the P2...

    This info got me a lot further, but not a success:
    https://fearthecow.net/tech-notes-howtos/wine-serial-ports/

    Finds the P2:

    Can't load RAM:

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,040

    Time to try out Pnut to see if its serial functions work - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_o7ezCYaWk-bmSdMCkfX_-TAoKvrF0qM/view?usp=sharing

    Pnut has always worked with Wine on Linux whereas Proptool historically failed the comms. Only after Lindsay made some recent changes did Proptool comms begin working. This might be something that needs more work from Parallax.

  • For P1 use Propeller IDE croosplatform.

    https://developer.parallax.com/propelleride/

  • @DavidM said:
    Ok, I opened it using terminal, so I got it to work, BUT

    the interface is very simple and bland! I cannot use this.

    I only want to code in SPIN1 at the moment, the Propeller tool has the features i like the most. ESPECIALLY the indentation lines, no other IDE has this for some reason, i cannot code without indentation lines.

    FlexProp notices if another program has changed the files you have open, so you can use any external editor you like with FlexProp and just use the FlexProp GUI for compiling and running the code.

  • @ersmith said:

    @DavidM said:
    Ok, I opened it using terminal, so I got it to work, BUT

    the interface is very simple and bland! I cannot use this.

    I only want to code in SPIN1 at the moment, the Propeller tool has the features i like the most. ESPECIALLY the indentation lines, no other IDE has this for some reason, i cannot code without indentation lines.

    FlexProp notices if another program has changed the files you have open, so you can use any external editor you like with FlexProp and just use the FlexProp GUI for compiling and running the code.

    OK, but does FLEXPROP have Indentation lines??

  • @Ltech said:
    For P1 use Propeller IDE croosplatform.

    https://developer.parallax.com/propelleride/

    I like Propeller IDE, but it doesn't have proper INDENTATION LINES! I have emailed to the developer (contact@lamestation.com) regarding this matter.

  • @DavidM said:

    @ersmith said:

    @DavidM said:
    Ok, I opened it using terminal, so I got it to work, BUT

    the interface is very simple and bland! I cannot use this.

    I only want to code in SPIN1 at the moment, the Propeller tool has the features i like the most. ESPECIALLY the indentation lines, no other IDE has this for some reason, i cannot code without indentation lines.

    FlexProp notices if another program has changed the files you have open, so you can use any external editor you like with FlexProp and just use the FlexProp GUI for compiling and running the code.

    Hi ersmith,

    so with macos, what is another external editor that i could use? Do any editor allow more GUI customisation, so at least i can get indentation lines, and block colours like propeller tool?

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,040
    edited 2023-01-28 05:04

    I know Wine/Crossover isn't ideal, compared to a native solution, but Proptool is not going to be multi-platform any time soon. It's worth trying to narrow down why the serial comms is not fully working with Wine/Crossover.

    dgately,
    I guess I'm throwing this one at you. Confirming that Pnut with Wine or Crossover on the Mac works for programming a Prop2 would help decide how close PropTool is to fully working.

  • yes, wine/crossover is a pain!

    I still have one other test to try with crossover/wine, i found this video on youtube which may help, haven't tried it yet

    but also I think i have Propeller IDE working. at least the serial port works.

    I am also trying to set up Visual Code Studio, as that should be the MAIN development app and parallax should support it!

    I am trying to find help with setting up visual studio code.

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,040

    You've already got Crossover setup correctly. Proptool is a bit buggy at the moment is all.

  • @DavidM said:
    ...
    I am trying to find help with setting up visual studio code.

    https://www.parallax.com/visual-studio/
    https://github.com/ironsheep/P2-vscode-extensions

  • Idention line off ?

  • dgatelydgately Posts: 1,619
    edited 2023-01-28 20:38

    @evanh said:
    dgately,
    I guess I'm throwing this one at you. Confirming that Pnut with Wine or Crossover on the Mac works for programming a Prop2 would help decide how close PropTool is to fully working.

    On a recent macOS version (Ventura 13.2)...

    With Crossover, going through the awkward "run the app's installer" (Pnut has no installer) methodology, PNutv37 launches, allows opening a debug demo Spin2 source file, compiles the source, can find a P2 (if... you have set a link to the Mac port from a "com1" port. see below), but only displays a blank debug window.

    Also, compiling and loading a simple non-debug example (blink.spin2), does not result in success.

    To get even this far you have to create a link within Crossover's 'dosdevices' directory. Note: "cu" or "tty" prefixes have been tried...

    $ cd /Users/myUserName/Library/Application\ Support/CrossOver/Bottles/PNut/dosdevices
    
    $ ln -s /dev/cu.usbserial-P8y12uhc com1      <== the device name of the PropPlug being used
    
    $ ls -al
    total 0
    drwxr-xr-x@ 10 myUserName  staff  320 Jan 28 12:04 .
    drwxr-xr-x@ 12 myUserName  staff  384 Jan 28 12:07 ..
    lrwxr-xr-x@  1 myUserName  staff   10 Jan 28 11:05 c: -> ../drive_c
    lrwxr-xr-x   1 myUserName  staff   26 Jan 28 12:04 com1 -> /dev/cu.usbserial-P8y12uhc
    ...
    

    Trying to install wine v7.21 from winehq.org, results in a 64-bit limited version of wine (wine64), which fails to run Pnut. Any attempt to launch 32-bit wine, which does get installed along with the 64-bit version, results in errors. Again, this is on a recent macOS version on a 2019 MacBook Pro. An older pre-10.14 macOS on an older Mac may work better.

  • ElectrodudeElectrodude Posts: 1,603
    edited 2023-01-28 21:30

    @dgately said:
    Trying to install wine v7.21 from winehq.org, results in a 64-bit limited version of wine (wine64), which fails to run Pnut. Any attempt to launch 32-bit wine, which does get installed along with the 64-bit version, results in errors. Again, this is on a recent macOS version on a 2019 MacBook Pro. An older pre-10.14 macOS on an older Mac may work better.

    Wine 8.0 was just released a few days ago. The changelog says it's supposed to add support for running 32-bit programs on post-10.15 macOS.

    EDIT: Looks like you'll have to build Wine 8 yourself - they don't seem to have a compiled Mac version on their downloads page yet.

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