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Propeller 2 Live Forum - Early Adopter Series -Screen Shot

Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
edited 2020-06-18 04:07 in Propeller 2
We had 2 great demo sessions :) very informative !! I can't wait for until the next one. Also, it was very nice to put faces to names after so many years of chatting online . :)

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  • I could not attend. Little one took a fall. She's OK, but it being a bike ride and bonk on the noggin, we had to get her looked over.

    So, where is the video?
  • I appreciate your choice of background, Bob

    This worked better than I thought, I think there were around 50 online at its peak

    Its also great to see how others use various tools, not only taqoz and cluso's monitor, but supporting tools like VS code and terminals etc

    Looking forward to the next one already, and hope your kids fine PH
  • Real quick, yes. Got a nice bump to show for it, but already talking about tomorrow. Oh the joy of being 4!

    Thanks for asking.

  • mparkmpark Posts: 1,305
    Very cool presentations! Kudos to Peter and Cluso. And thanks to Parallax for hosting.
  • Ahle2Ahle2 Posts: 1,179
    I wish I could attend these meetings or maybe even present some audio stuff (if there is any interest), but living in Europe makes it hard. But I'm looking forward to see Peter and Clusos presentation when the video gets available. 😃

    Thank both of you for all the great things you have contributed to the Propeller community for over a decade!
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2020-06-18 08:25
    Ahle2 wrote: »
    I wish I could attend these meetings or maybe even present some audio stuff (if there is any interest), but living in Europe makes it hard. But I'm looking forward to see Peter and Clusos presentation when the video gets available. 😃

    Thank both of you for all the great things you have contributed to the Propeller community for over a decade!
    Yes, i would love to see your audio work. It’s always amazed me. :sunglasses:

    Today went double time! Hope you all enjoyed it as much as i did.
  • RaymanRayman Posts: 14,646
    @"Peter Jakacki" thanks for going first! This was my first non-family type zoom meeting. Definitely learned some things...

  • RaymanRayman Posts: 14,646
    I thought @Whit was actually in a church, but now realize it may have been a zoom background... maybe I need to find a nice zoom background too...
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    @Rayman - I thought you were just messing with me. I have Zoom Wallpapers (backgrounds) from some of my favorite churches, and monasteries around the world. Here are a few...

    Last night I was "in" St Martin's Church, Canterbury - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Martin%27s_Church,_Canterbury

    It is recognized as having the longest continuous history as a parish church in the English-speaking world.

    Get a background that perfectly fits you Rayman!

    What a fun event last night.

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  • @whit - you had me fooled. It was hard finding an opportunity to get a good look at everybody in between presenting and screen shares but I didn't think for a moment that you were using a virtual background :)

    btw, I'm probably the last person to put their hand up for any kind of presentation, but I knew "somebody" would do it, even though "anybody" could do it and "everybody" was for it, "nobody" had yet done so by that point :)
    It was fun but I was wrecked from the worry of making sure my 4G Internet was good for the upload needed for screen sharing, so I had to setup a mini workshop (most of which I didn't use) on a big table out the back of the house under cover. Then it started to rain during the presentation and got quite chilly cold. But it was a ton of fun and I'm looking forward to sitting in on these zoom presentations each week (in more comfort).

    ZOOM TIP: My terminal text was too small to see well and the bottom line was being obscured on some screens, and I couldn't quickly find the setting to change it within Visual Studio Code during the first part.
    So my tip is: make sure any screen text you wish to share is large enough to read beforehand!

    Funny thing happened an hour before the meeting. Since I use my phone for a hotspot (that's another story) I had connected a WiFi access point to provide hardwired connection for the Rigol scope to share screen grabs, which btw you can display in a VSC text window (very neat).
    However I found the AP wasn't receiving my hotspot anymore and I really didn't have much time to track down the problem. So I simply used my phone for my camera and voice, while my laptop was connected to zoom as well for screen sharing and gallery view.
    What's the funny thing that happened? Well, later that night I accessed the AP's awkwardly nested config pages and found that I had changed the hotspot over to my wife's phone the day before, as a test, and then forgotten about it. An hour before the zoom meeting she went off to the shops and then my hotspot signal "mysteriously" disappeared :)
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    @whit - you had me fooled. It was hard finding an opportunity to get a good look at everybody in between presenting and screen shares but I didn't think for a moment that you were using a virtual background :)

    btw, I'm probably the last person to put their hand up for any kind of presentation, but I knew "somebody" would do it, even though "anybody" could do it and "everybody" was for it, "nobody" had yet done so by that point :)
    It was fun but I was wrecked from the worry of making sure my 4G Internet was good for the upload needed for screen sharing, so I had to setup a mini workshop (most of which I didn't use) on a big table out the back of the house under cover. Then it started to rain during the presentation and got quite chilly cold. But it was a ton of fun and I'm looking forward to sitting in on these zoom presentations each week (in more comfort).

    ZOOM TIP: My terminal text was too small to see well and the bottom line was being obscured on some screens, and I couldn't quickly find the setting to change it within Visual Studio Code during the first part.
    So my tip is: make sure any screen text you wish to share is large enough to read beforehand!

    Funny thing happened an hour before the meeting. Since I use my phone for a hotspot (that's another story) I had connected a WiFi access point to provide hardwired connection for the Rigol scope to share screen grabs, which btw you can display in a VSC text window (very neat).
    However I found the AP wasn't receiving my hotspot anymore and I really didn't have much time to track down the problem. So I simply used my phone for my camera and voice, while my laptop was connected to zoom as well for screen sharing and gallery view.
    What's the funny thing that happened? Well, later that night I accessed the AP's awkwardly nested config pages and found that I had changed the hotspot over to my wife's phone the day before, as a test, and then forgotten about it. An hour before the zoom meeting she went off to the shops and then my hotspot signal "mysteriously" disappeared :)
    Oh! So that was the problem ;)

    When you were about 5 mins in, my hotspot crashed. I frantically reconnected, and as a precaution setup my iPhone as a hotspot just in case. Fortunately it remained online for the remainder of the sked.

    FWIW I don’t have a landline (like Peter) so no NBN (fibre to the node). On my mobile account I have 4 sims that share my 350GB of monthly 4G mobile data. I have a small freestanding wifi 4G device with a sim, an iPad mini with a sim, and two iPhones with sims. We mostly use the freestanding device for our wifi connection to the internet from our PCs (my wife and I are working from home atm), tv and the other iPad. Speeds vary and we suffer dropouts but for the most part everything works fine. It’s been much worse during the lockdown.
  • @Cluso99 - before NBN (National Broadband Network) started to replace all traditional forms of hardwired broadband I didn't have any problems at all with my cable connection and always had very fast and reliable down/up speeds. Finally I was forced to switch but I made the choice to switch to 4G for my broadband which has been good and around here I can get up to 200Mbps downloads or 280Mbps max in some places.

    However the biggest mistake I made was when I decided last year to consolidate my 4G modem plan with my phone plan, and just have it all on my phone, which included international roaming calls and data. I will never do it this way again and even though I have a perfectly good 4G modem sitting around, I would need to pay Optus for another data plan each month just for that extra SIM, even though I don't even use half of my existing 200G monthly. They used to hand out extra sims gratis, but not no more.
  • @Cluso99 - before NBN (National Broadband Network) started to replace all traditional forms of hardwired broadband I didn't have any problems at all with my cable connection and always had very fast and reliable down/up speeds. Finally I was forced to switch but I made the choice to switch to 4G for my broadband which has been good and around here I can get up to 200Mbps downloads or 280Mbps max in some places.

    However the biggest mistake I made was when I decided last year to consolidate my 4G modem plan with my phone plan, and just have it all on my phone, which included international roaming calls and data. I will never do it this way again and even though I have a perfectly good 4G modem sitting around, I would need to pay Optus for another data plan each month just for that extra SIM, even though I don't even use half of my existing 200G monthly. They used to hand out extra sims gratis, but not no more.

    This just made me realize how outdated our 200M downlink / 24M uplink cable line here has become, when even a lowly mobile connection can outclass it. Used to be beyond top-of-the-line, a business-tier contract. Then again, it has no data cap and a new modem/router/contract could get us up to 1G/50M on that same line. Doesn't matter anyways, for all the good stuff sits behind a 100M ethernet switch, haha.
  • Wuerfel_21 wrote: »
    This just made me realize how outdated our 200M downlink / 24M uplink cable line here has become, when even a lowly mobile connection can outclass it.

    WHAT??? I'd be happy if I got a 10th of that. I have something like 7Mbit downlink and 200kbit uplink. And to get mobile connection at all I have to climb the hill next to my house. D:
    But I hoped that I could at least watch the youtube video. But even that is difficult. I've seen in the screenshot thread that the text on the zoom screen should be well readable. But look how it looks on my screen:
    Screenshot1.png

    And the audio quality is also quite bad. Not your fault, I know... :neutral:
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  • ManAtWork wrote: »
    Wuerfel_21 wrote: »
    This just made me realize how outdated our 200M downlink / 24M uplink cable line here has become, when even a lowly mobile connection can outclass it.

    WHAT??? I'd be happy if I got a 10th of that. I have something like 7Mbit downlink and 200kbit uplink. And to get mobile connection at all I have to climb the hill next to my house. D:
    But I hoped that I could at least watch the youtube video. But even that is difficult. I've seen in the screenshot thread that the text on the zoom screen should be well readable. But look how it looks on my screen:
    (image snipped)

    And the audio quality is also quite bad. Not your fault, I know... :neutral:

    Go increase the video quality to at least 1080 (click the gear icon)! Should still work for you without pre-buffering it.

    To be honest, the main reason we got that for-the-time-overkill line is because I occasionally host game servers for friends and family to play on and it turns out Minecraft needs loads of uplink to stream chunks(essentially 16x256x16 voxel volumes) to the players. As I said, I don't even get to use the full downlink because of that pesky 100M switch.
  • BTW, I've seen this google doc with "critical objects". Is this already available? I still can't find any library for the P2 on GITHUB. I've uploaded a small code snippet to test it but it seems to be really quiet, there.
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  • Wuerfel_21 wrote: »
    Go increase the video quality to at least 1080 (click the gear icon)! Should still work for you without pre-buffering it.

    Ah, surprise, yes that works, thanks. :smiley: If I watch it fullscreen I can now read everything but the audio stream gets garbled. So I have to choose between either good video or good audio quality. But that must have something to do with my PC or the KSM switch in my office. I'll try the PC at home...

  • I haven't seen that google doc before, but it's apparently public: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t5DtNlwNV5Y1iuaKdHinGdgcO22GM0bq/edit
  • BTW, I've seen this google doc with "critical objects". Is this already available?
    A couple months ago Ken asked me to write down my thoughts on a starting set of objects for the official P2 launch -- that document is what you saw onscreen. I don't think Ken will mind that I post it as a PDF here. To be clear, these are my thoughts and opinions, not official Parallax doctrine.
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    Peter,
    I was lucky when Optus combined the plans they were offering extra sims on the plan for a one-off $5. I bought two - lucky me cause those extras don;t exist anymore :(
  • @Whit This convinced me, that P1 is great:
    https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/89291/singing-monk-squad

    Hey, we should port that to P2 just for fun. That was so cool, and to think that was 14 years ago!
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    @Whit This convinced me, that P1 is great:
    https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/89291/singing-monk-squad

    Yes! That blew me away when I first heard it - and it still does.
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    @Whit This convinced me, that P1 is great:
    https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/89291/singing-monk-squad

    Hey, we should port that to P2 just for fun. That was so cool, and to think that was 14 years ago!

    Great idea!
  • JonnyMac wrote: »
    >BTW, I've seen this google doc with "critical objects". Is this already available?
    A couple months ago Ken asked me to write down my thoughts on a starting set of objects for the official P2 launch -- that document is what you saw onscreen. I don't think Ken will mind that I post it as a PDF here. To be clear, these are my thoughts and opinions, not official Parallax doctrine.

    Ah, I see. Then, this is some sort of "to-do list" and the objects are not (officially) available, yet. I was just curious...
  • larryvclarryvc Posts: 42
    edited 2020-06-21 17:38
    JonnyMac wrote: »
    A couple months ago Ken asked me to write down my thoughts on a starting set of objects for the official P2 launch -- that document is what you saw onscreen. I don't think Ken will mind that I post it as a PDF here. To be clear, these are my thoughts and opinions, not official Parallax doctrine.

    Your Suggested Code Formatting Guidelines are close enough to the latest PEP 8 -- Style Guide for Python Code, the style I currently* like the best. Of course I was once forced to use Hungarian notation and since then can pretty much adapt to just about any style!

    Thanks for posting that file. Will try to abide by those guidelines...

    * Disclaimer: currently, is largely dictated by the group think, latest fad language, assumptions that abound.
  • @ Tubular
    I appreciate your choice of background, Bob

    Thanks! I actually searched for a P2 image to make a background but I didn't find in quick enough before the meeting started.
    The Zoom chats sure are great and will help getting people involved in the P2 .
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