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Adaptive headlights problem, anyone know what this motor is?

T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
edited 2017-08-19 16:53 in General Discussion
I have a headlight assembly problem and fault light. A little motor drivers a worm gear that rotates a headlight left<>right. The cheapest solution anywhere is to replace the entire assembly for 1750 US. There are not really any options unless you find a very rare used one which is still very high because of the demand. The motor has 4 wires, it is a very tiny motor that drives a larger gear attached to a worm gear. I have heard these can freeze up and people have solved it with lubricant and working it by hand, but in this case it moves freely. I can't tell what the motor is, it is very small. The bigger problem as far as diagnosing it is that once the fault light is on, the faults must be cleared by a special device just to get the assembly to do it's initial calibration on power on. If it fails on power on, the fault kicks back on and you must reset the faults to try to diagnose again. I just thought I'd see if anyone has messed around with these things before. I don't really care about the adaptive lights but the blinking fault light is driving me nuts.
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  • Is this a Lincoln MKVIII by any chance? I had one when they first came out. By "adaptive", you mean that they rotate with the steering wheel, right? Is there one motor per headlight?
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2017-08-20 14:08
    No it's on a Range Rover. Adaptive means they move around to track which direction the car is turning. I have abandoned this project and will have to get a new one. There is a control board inside the light, there is also the computer that must be dealt with to diagnose, and I don't have the system to reset errors. Basically it is far too complicated to work on. Even the dealers and local specialist shops say forget it. If it were possible to cost effectively repair these, it would be a good business. I found this video online for reference.


  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    Another one lost to proprietary lock-ins!
  • evanh wrote: »
    Another one lost to proprietary lock-ins!

    Can't agree with you here. In order for there to be "proprietary lock-in", there needs to be an available non-proprietary option that they chose not to use.
  • T Chap wrote: »
    If it were possible to cost effectively repair these, it would be a good business.

    I don't think "cost effective" and "Range Rover" can be used in the same sentence.

  • Seairth wrote: »
    Can't agree with you here. In order for there to be "proprietary lock-in", there needs to be an available non-proprietary option that they chose not to use.

    There's always this non-proprietary option:



  • Seairth wrote: »
    Can't agree with you here. In order for there to be "proprietary lock-in", there needs to be an available non-proprietary option that they chose not to use.

    There's always this non-proprietary option...

    "Already done" doesn't mean "non-proprietary". In hindsight, though, I wonder if @evanh had really meant something more like "Another one lost to non-serviceable design."
  • Any possibility that the motor has a standard NEMA frame size?
  • I don't really care about the adaptive lights but the blinking fault light is driving me nuts.

    How about disconnecting the power going to the bulb or the blinking unit?
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    Seairth wrote: »
    evanh wrote: »
    Another one lost to proprietary lock-ins!

    Can't agree with you here. In order for there to be "proprietary lock-in", there needs to be an available non-proprietary option that they chose not to use.

    The access tools are restricted. It prevents any servicing other than sanctioned. That's the "lock-in". The "proprietary" is just part of the means of lock-in.

    The only way around this would be to reverse engineer the access tools ... and, well, that comes up against the DMCA and all its relatives doesn't it.
  • Note to self: Do not run into a Range Rover. One headlight is worth more than my car.
  • Try Ebay headlight level motor. More than likely a stepper motor. Range Rovers are Ok to buy or lease new used ones are a repair nightmare. That's why used ones are fairly cheap.
  • Look on Hella.com AFS says its a stepper
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  • Yeah I would have assumed a stepper with 4 wires coming off it. Most people claim it is the worm gear frozen up but not in this case. Due to not having a way to reset the faults it is not possible to diagnose so I bailed on it after a few hours since I couldn't reset codes to be able to sniff out the motor wires. Bought it new, it's a work truck now with very few issues over the years.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2017-08-21 21:45
    DigitalBob wrote: »
    Range Rovers are Ok to buy or lease new used ones are a repair nightmare. That's why used ones are fairly cheap.

    They're still too expensive for a non-classic. New at $95K; 5-year old used at $45K+.

    For about $200K you can get this. Guaranteed date-getter, and kept up, keeps increasing in value (this was the model, year, and color of the one in my family - my step-father sold his in 1983 for about $4K.)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Jaguar_E-Type_series_1_coupé_1964.jpg

    On the notion of using proprietary design: I suppose even with the E-Jag that would be the case, as back in '64 theyused positive-ground electrical. After they switched to negative-ground in about '67, it was nearly impossible to get replacement Lucas gauges at anything not resembling highway robbery.

  • T Chap wrote: »
    The cheapest solution anywhere is to replace the entire assembly for 1750 US.

    Maybe you should put the new one behind the front seat for safe keeping.

    How much of a headlight is it. i.e. is there much flood, or mainly spot?

    wmosscrop wrote: »
    Note to self: Do not run into a Range Rover. One headlight is worth more than my car.

    +1, steering clear from now on.
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