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Human Skiing/Flying Drone

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
edited 2016-12-20 20:54 in General Discussion


Not sure how the thing is controlled: by the "passenger" or by someone else? Whichever, the control required to negotiate it through a ski village and over the slopes looks pretty hairy to me. "Oh, the humanity!" should something ever go wrong with it. Those aren't tiny propeller blades!

-Phil

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  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    Looks fake to me. :nerd:
  • Flown by an operator - They mention it in the video, but you can also see him holding on with one hand and holding the snowboard with the other, so not enough hands to fly it as well. :)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Looks fake to me.

    Fun, but definitely CGI.

    Drone is way too small to carry his weight.

    His elbow is bent when he's hanging under it one-armed.

    No ski area would put up with that nonsense endangering paying customers.

  • erco wrote: »
    No ski area would put up with that nonsense endangering paying customers.
    Testify. The local resort won't even let me up the lift to speed fly, off-piste, no motor. It's all about their insurance, they explained very kindly.


  • No, it's the real deal...

    Film maker Casey Neistat in collaboration with Samsung was hired for this shoot, he is the one under the drone. The drone is a custom build obviously, and does indeed carry his weight. He wears a structural harness under the Santa suit, which is connected via the sleeve of the one arm. The drone is flown by an operator and the footage was shot in Finland.

    Here is a behind the scenes video:


    Tim

  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Not buying it. The drone dynamics are all wrong, the tow cable is haphazardly slapped underneath. In reality, it would tip and buck and strain as it jerkily towed him but it's all perfectly smooth here. PID! :)

    Watch at the drone spin lazily at 5:13. Sure seems like it would be fighting the tow cable effects.

    The drone also appears to changes sizes throughout the shoot, and it always appears a bit too clear and bright with no atmospheric effects.

    In this case, I think the "behind the scenes" video is a brilliant secondary bit of subterfuge.
  • Tim-M wrote: »
    No, it's the real deal...

    and does indeed carry his weight.


    Sure looked fake at times, it just flew so smooth and steady.

    We should ask Heater to investigate this developing story, since he is close. If he likes it, he could pay us another visit to the States.

    Not with the santa suit though, could clash with some other high flier this time of year.
  • One guy in the behind-the-scenes video looks and sounds a lot like David Blaine. Hmmm.

    Finland in winter. That explains why nearly every scene seems to be taken in late twilight.

    -Phil
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2016-12-21 10:32
    MikeDYur wrote: »
    We should ask Heater to investigate this developing story, since he is close.
    I'm not sure exactly where Heater is in Finland, but Rovaniemi is in the far north and I suspect Heater is in the south, where the bigger cities are. That wouldn't be particularly close.

    And yes, it looks fake to me as well.


  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    MikeDYur,
    We should ask Heater to investigate this developing story, since he is close.
    No way. That is almost 900Km from here. It's cold and dark, brrrr. I'm avoiding the forrest this Christmas.

    The unbelievable part is that the Finnish police would stand by and watch them fly that huge human blender over a Christmas market and streets full of people.

    I'm not sure what the drone regulations are around here now but there is from 2015: https://www.sensefly.com/nc/news-single/article/finnish-unmanned-aircraft-regulation-takes-effect.html

    "In Finland, as of October 9th, unmanned systems must weigh less than 25 kg and their flights must take place at an altitude (above the take-off point) of under 150 m, at least 5 km away from airports. Operators are also required to keep full flight logs and remotely piloted aircraft must carry the name and contact details of the operator onboard."


  • Heater. wrote: »
    "... carry the name and contact details of the operator onboard."


    If the operator is onboard, does that meet this requirement? :D
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    So often these are used for marketing purposes or just to get YouTube hits (monetization).

    I still remember the Eagle video:
  • MikeDYurMikeDYur Posts: 2,176
    edited 2016-12-21 20:33
    Heater. wrote: »
    No way. That is almost 900Km from here. It's cold and dark, brrrr. I'm avoiding the forrest this Christmas.

    I don't blame you Heater.

    To start out the winter solstice we got hit with freezing rain and then a spell of near ZERO °f temperatures, accidents everywhere.

    While about 560 miles is not much to us here in the US, the trip north of you looks like it would be pretty remote at times. I love outdoors, nature, and remote places, not to eager to head into a dark icebox.


    EDIT: I guess the general concensus is that both video's are fake?

    It looks like a real drone in the back of the truck anyway.
  • MikeDYur wrote: »
    EDIT: I guess the general concensus is that both video's are fake?

    It looks like a real drone in the back of the truck anyway.

    I'm not convinced it is 100% fakery.

    1. The drone shows up nice and bright is because it is emitting light in the general twilight.
    2. The onlookers are clearly real and are paying attention.
    3. There aren't any ads.

    IMHO
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    MikeDYur wrote: »
    EDIT: I guess the general concensus is that both video's are fake?

    It looks like a real drone in the back of the truck anyway.

    I'm not convinced it is 100% fakery.

    1. The drone shows up nice and bright is because it is emitting light in the general twilight.
    2. The onlookers are clearly real and are paying attention.
    3. There aren't any ads.

    IMHO

    The best fakes have elements of truth.
    1) Yup it's a real drone
    2) Of course they are
    3) Err, you missed the Promo from Samsung I guess ??! ( & company web addresses...)

    So the towing scenes, yes, those I would believe, but the 'flight' images, those are more 'flights of fancy'.


  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    I'm with erco, the physics seem out the window here. Everything else aside, the way the drone flies especially in reaction (or lack thereof) to the person strapped to it is where I find issue.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    No, no. you don't get it.

    This is Rovaniemi we are talking about. The little town in the north of Finland where Santa Claus lives. Everything is true!

    This is important business. Back in the day you could buy day trips from London to Rovaniemi on Concorde at Christmas time. Because, well, that is where Santa lives.

    You and I know better. Santa lived at the North Pole. Sadly Santa drowned some years back when global warming caused there to be open water at the North Pole. http://arctic-news.blogspot.fi/2013/07/open-water-at-north-pole.html

    Nobody wants to tell their children that Santa drowned so Rovaniemi perpetuates the legend. How is anyone expected to live there without this income? You expect they eat nothing but Reindeer all the time?

    Now I understand how the Police let this happen. A few hundred thousand views on YouTube is good advertising!






  • I'm with erco, the physics seem out the window here. Everything else aside, the way the drone flies especially in reaction (or lack thereof) to the person strapped to it is where I find issue.

    You pegged it, heavily edited.


    Heater. wrote: »
    No, no. you don't get it.

    This is Rovaniemi we are talking about.

    Now I understand how the Police let this happen. A few hundred thousand views on YouTube is good advertising!





    Samsung has money to burn in this project, don't believe all aspects of of either video. I'm only on an S5, there just was certain things that just don't add up.

  • I'm still on the fence about this. I will avoid passing judgement on the technical aspect of the video. Instead, I'll point out a different thing that's bothering me: with all the crowds that appeared to be in the video, I find it surprising that there appear to be no other photos or videos of this stunt online.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    There's even something hinky about the guy's red Santa suit. It glows, like overburn. Def hinky.
  • An offering of explaination...



    Tim
  • Based on everything I've seen so far, I think it's totally real. However, and this is a BIG however, I also think their escapades through Santa's Village were completely reckless. So many things could've gone wrong, and they were all bad. Quoting Woody Hayes, "When you pass the football, three things can happen, and two of them are bad." In this case, I think three of them are bad. That said, I have to congratulate the flight controller for not killing or maiming anyone.

    -Phil
  • Tim-M, you have convinced me with that last video. But like Phil said, it's totally reckless.
    The other drone in the air is big too, either one of them look like they could cut right through a building. They must have got the crowd to sign off on this for free lift passes, These people are a little crazy.
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    Yeah, I can see things in the video that weren't apparent in the other one. You can see subtle twitches in the drone from carrying his weight. I'd have to say the editing is what worked against the original video...or perhaps for it? Perhaps their intention was to have the authenticity questioned. That gets it more attention. :innocent:

    I do appreciate that second video though. If when the 360 video is posted, someone could link that, that would be awesome. :cool:
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2016-12-22 17:13
    I'll budge as far as "possibly", but I'll wager there's still plenty of trickery involved, just due to the sensational personalities involved, bloggers & magicians. These guys are getting paid by every view and click. Laughing all the way to the bank, whether the stunt is fake or real. TTYTT, the more "behind the scenes" and "I can see why people don't believe" videos they post, it seems like they are trying too hard. Liars always talk more than innocent people.

    BTW, he claims 1050 pounds of lift. Hard to believe. My Cessna 152 only weighs 1082 lbs empty. If he's right, I can chuck my IC engine, prop, fuel tanks and just attach his electric drone to achieve VTOL flight. Open invitation to these guys, bring your drone to LA and let's see!

    Better yet, be the halftime show on Superbowl Sunday, like the rocket belt was in 1967!



  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    erco wrote: »
    BTW, he claims 1050 pounds of lift. Hard to believe. My Cessna 152 weighs 1082 lbs empty. If he's right, I can chuck my engine, prop, fuel tanks and just attach his drone for VTOL flight.

    Hahahahaha! That was good for a long laugh erco! You're right though. We can't really very well confirm the numbers. It does seem a little crazy.

    I have been watching videos of drones that carry a single person and so far the two top contenders haven't gone very high at all and the stability was lackluster at best.

    I dunno...guess we'll see.

    I am going a bit off topic here (taboo, I know) but there has been a huge trend on YouTube in the last few years for videos claimed to be real, but are clearly fake. I don't just mean marketing videos either. How many channels are there of people playing pranks. Some are husband/wife or girlfriend/boyfriend teams that record videos of them playing pranks on each other. Often you can tell that the other person knew about and/or expected what was going to happen. And often the reactions are just so fake. I can't believe people think most of it is genuine.

  • The Heligraphics guys were doing this before Casey, with less gear. I'm sure everyone remembers this -

  • erco wrote: »
    Open invitation to these guys, bring your drone to LA and let's see!



    That would be a bad idea, people will do anything to get on shows like The Peoples Court. Maybe for nothing other than they caught a cold, or lost a hair piece from the prop wash.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Chris Savage,
    I am going a bit off topic here (taboo, I know) but there has been a huge trend on YouTube in the last few years for videos claimed to be real, but are clearly fake....
    Ah, you did not get the tweet.

    We are now living in the "post-truth" era. No seriously, that is in the Oxford English dictionary now: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/word-of-the-year-2016

    Today, fake news travels faster, further and has more effect that real news.

    Man never landed on the moon.

    Global warming is not a thing.

    Science is a conspiracy.

    The Holocaust never happened.

    Etc, etc.

    You cannot trust anything on the net. Worst of all it's harder and harder to tell the difference between the fake and the real.

    Main point, nobody cares what is true anymore. As long as whatever they see makes them feel good.




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