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The Art of Making a Nixie Tube

A friend of mine sent me this link:



Totally captivating! Enjoy!

-Phil

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  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    I watched it some time ago.. it's fabulous. And it shows how much work is involved. It's incredible that they're only $145 a piece (down from $170 earlier, so something must have been streamlined in the process since then).
    Very well worth watching.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2016-10-31 11:52
    Many years ago Burroughs designed a weird decimal counting device called the Beam-X tube with US government funding. The US military never used it and Xerox was told to incorporate it in a new high-speed copier, the 3600. That's the story I was told when I worked for Rank-Xerox (UK), anyway. It was based on the trochotron:

    http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/tubepage.php?item=18

    It was used in the "Programmer" which allowed the user to preset the number of copies required on Nixie tubes, and then displayed the count as copies were produced. It had the advantage of being able to drive Nixies directly.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Wow, Leon, how come I never heard of Beam Switching Tubes tubes before?

    I guess I was a bit late to the scene, not building my first tube circuits till the early nineteen seventies. By the time I got to building my Nixie clock in 1971/2 it was a TTL world.

    Learn something new everyday...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2016-10-31 14:14
    I don't think that anyone else used Beam-X tubes. The rest of the machine used relay logic, like all the other copiers in use at the time.

    I was the UK National Workshops Planning Engineer. One of my maintenance engineers designed and built himself a digital clock, using Beam-X tubes and Nixies.

  • Totally captivating!

    -Phil

    Agree. I had to make a second cup of coffee and watch the whole thing. :)

    There are so many technologies involved with that process! A lot of high end machines, low end torches, and stuff in between.

    That lab must have cost a fortune!
  • When I came across this video a couple months ago, I was immediately enthused. (Glass blowing and vacuum techniques have been personally compelling all my life.) But by the time the video was over, I was almost sad - so much capital and labor had been expended on something ultimately so limited and pedestrian.

    Still, kudos for seeing a vision through to the end!
  • Talk about a labor intensive process!
    Jim
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    User Name,
    Sad...limited and pedestrian ...
    I am shocked and saddened that you can say such a thing.

    Far from sad it's a celebration of what people can do if they want to.

    Far from limited and pedestrian, Nixie tubes are a beautiful and now rare thing. Works of art.

    Pedestrian today is the LED, or your flat panel LCD screen. Good luck trying to make one of those.

    Yeah, as a business proposition it may be doomed. But was that the motivation ?

  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2016-10-31 21:37
    Heater. wrote: »
    ...it's a celebration of what people can do if they want to.
    We are agreed. On the other points, perhaps we're not so much agreed.

    For whatever reason, Nixie tubes never grabbed me. If you're going to go to that much bother, why not make a klystron, a TWT, a gyrotron, a betatron, or even a lowly x-ray tube?

    If it is specifically display capability you seek, a multiplexed array of <you name it> light sources looks and works great! Or build a 7-segment filament display. Or roll your own vacuum fluorescent display.

    As a kid I put together a clock that used large Numitrons. It was - and still is - an outstanding look.

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    I'm clearly biased.

    You see, I built a digital clock in 1970 at age 14. Using these new fangled TTL logic chips. I had only built analog circuits with transistors and tubes before that. Of course it used Nixie tubes. That was a time when nobody had ever seen a digital clock.

    Those Nixie tubes gave a happy glow for years after. Making sure I got to lectures in uni until 1979.

    Wish I knew what happened to that project. It got lost somewhere along the line.

    Mind you. I still love LEDs. I saw my first LED about the 1970 as well. My friend brought one to school and showed how it lit up when connected to a battery one way around but not the other. WTF, you mean that thing is a diode that lights up?!




  • Nixie tubes are beautiful because they are functional and their method of operation is readily apparent, which is not true of most electronic devices. Also, they're just plain beautiful. And did I mention how pretty they are?

    A Nixie isn't pretending to be something it isn't. It's a gas discharge tube, and gas discharge is an inherently beautiful thing as the neon sign industry will agree, and it's using gas discharge to show us a number. Simple and direct. It can't be some other color, it can't show us a symbol that isn't formed into the tube when it is made. It is what it is. Nixies were around before transistors and when vacuum tubes were much more primitive than they got before we mostly abandoned them. My own Nixie alarm clock started out as an industrial scale display around 1974, and today the same drivers and tubes show me the time with a little help from a P8X32A. It was designed by engineers let loose by NASA in the wake of the Apollo program, so I'm pretty sure it will last awhile even though it is already forty years old.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2016-11-01 02:47
    @Heater: Given your history, I completely understand your appreciation for Nixie tubes. A cada cual lo suyo.
  • A long video for sure, these folks have a niche market, and mass production would do them in. Keep the price and the hand crafted product. I love the old school font which can't be reproduced by an LED.
  • I love that guy for putting these back on the market. As for the labor, etc... if he's making it and is happy, the price of the tubes is quite reasonable.

    And it's art. It's OK for that to be manual. A little bit of his soul goes into each tube, distinct, prized by the person who ends up with it.

  • potatohead wrote: »
    I love that guy for putting these back on the market. As for the labor, etc... if he's making it and is happy, the price of the tubes is quite reasonable.

    And it's art. It's OK for that to be manual. A little bit of his soul goes into each tube, distinct, prized by the person who ends up with it.
    Where did you find the price of the tubes? I just saw a price for a finished Nixie tube clock. It's beautiful but way out of my price range.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Really cool. Niftiest thing I've seen in a long time. Long live the Nixie tube!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    There is something very cool about this.

    1) I make this thing I would like you to buy.

    2) Here is a video showing exactly how I do it. After all, you are more likely to buy it if you know I made it well.

    3) You can do it yourself if you like.

    Wouldn't it be great if Intel and such would do that?



  • David Betz wrote: »
    potatohead wrote: »
    I love that guy for putting these back on the market. As for the labor, etc... if he's making it and is happy, the price of the tubes is quite reasonable.

    And it's art. It's OK for that to be manual. A little bit of his soul goes into each tube, distinct, prized by the person who ends up with it.
    Where did you find the price of the tubes? I just saw a price for a finished Nixie tube clock. It's beautiful but way out of my price range.

    http://www.daliborfarny.com/r-z568m-nixie-tube/


  • Heater. wrote: »

    Wouldn't it be great if Intel and such would do that?

    Knowing that none of us could not afford the cost of a foundry. :)
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Publison,
    Knowing that none of us could not afford the cost of a foundry.
    That is not a problem that cannot be fixed with a good kickstarter pitch :)

    No, seriously.
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    Publison wrote: »
    David Betz wrote: »
    Where did you find the price of the tubes? I just saw a price for a finished Nixie tube clock. It's beautiful but way out of my price range.

    http://www.daliborfarny.com/r-z568m-nixie-tube/

    And the original price (around $170 as I mentioned in a post) was from the Youtube video, I don't remember if it was said, or in the annotations, or in the comments (from the maker). Anyway, down to $145 now, not bad when looking at all the work involved. Hand-made Nixie tubes.. I wouldn't have believed it.

  • I'm thinking about ordering 6 from the guy. I might even kick in a couple extra bucks so he can buy a radio. The silence in his shop is deafening.
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    But maybe he is like me.. I can't work if there's a radio or something jabbing in my ear.
  • There's no reason a nixie tube has to display digits. Imagine, for example. a retro weather forecaster, hooked to the internet, wherein the display elements include things like sunshine, clouds, rain, snow, lightning bolts that flash, etc.

    -Phil
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Oh my God. Unicode Nixie tubes. We could display the U+1F4A9 code point: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm
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