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search broken?

Is there a trick to get search to find anything on the forum? All I get is a short page of google ads.

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  • A search through the forum will produce a few Google Ads, ( the search is based on Google Search. There should be many pages following. What are you searching for?

  • RickBRickB Posts: 395
    edited 2016-09-02 19:44
    Doesn't matter what I search for, all I get is a short page of google ads. I know it's google, and it has worked correctly in the past. It works fine when searching Parallax.com.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Odd. I just tried a couple of searches for my old stuff here. "zicog" did not show any add results at all. "heater_fft" had only a couple.
  • RickB wrote: »
    Doesn't matter what I search for, all I get is a short page of google ads. I know it's google, and it has worked correctly in the past. It works fine when searching Parallax.com.

    Give me your search criteria, and I will show you what I get. I see you are in the US, so search should be the same.


  • Elev-8
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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2016-09-03 22:04
    Elev-8

    I get a ton of Parallax links for that and only two adds here.

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2016-09-03 22:03
    Like so:

    Screenshot%20%2810%29.png

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  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2016-09-03 22:37
    Using the same search criteria, I come up with:
    What browser are you using?

    I am using Chrome. Win7 PRO
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  • Firefox v47.0 XP.

    It works fine on the main Parallax site.
  • @RickB

    Are you able to try a different browser from your XP machine? Might be a Google plug-in within FF for which support is no longer active.
    Well, an interesting test at least.

    I recall seeing endless pop-ups within Chrome about how that browser would no longer be expected to work correctly at all websites from an XP machine I gave up using a few months ago. Hence I'm wondering if that might be something here.

    Maybe IE or even Chrome might behave differently than FF in this case.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2016-09-04 11:12
    Hmm...Here we go. Edge, Firefox and Chrome. All about the same:

    Screenshot%20%2811%29.png
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  • VonSzarvasVonSzarvas Posts: 3,450
    edited 2016-09-04 11:42
    @Heater. the important point here being "XP"

    RickB mentioned he's using Windows XP, and so perhaps that might produce a different set of results to a browser running on a more modern Edge-compatible OS.


  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Yeah, there is an XP machine in the house. `Er in doors won't let me start it up. It's sole purpose in life is running some old version of some accounting software. It's not for playing :(
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2016-09-04 14:26
    Just so happens I put together a new (old) machine with XP Pro, brand new install.

    Loaded FireFox for XP, then it wanted to upgrade to 48.0.2.

    Search works fine with this installation.

    Maybe virus protection is preventing full search?

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    That works nicely too. Three adds and then a bunch of links for elev-8 on forums.Parallax.com.

    I can't see how any virus protection can get in the way of the HTTPS communication between your browser and google.

    I suspect there is something about the google search's use of HTML/CSS/Javascript that fails in old browsers. Or at least behaves differently.
  • Basically, Rich's forum search works directly from google in the format:

    <search context> site:forums.parallax.com

    I have had to use that over the years because of the bad search in the old forum.
  • The link from publison has the same results as the previous screen shot. So why does it work on the main Parallax website?

    I will be staying with XP until I move to linux, so any searching will have to be done directly from google. Thanks for the sleuthing.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2016-09-04 18:00
    RickB wrote: »
    The link from publison has the same results as the previous screen shot. So why does it work on the main Parallax website?

    I will be staying with XP until I move to linux, so any searching will have to be done directly from google. Thanks for the sleuthing.

    Which link? The standard Google link? That should work with any browser.

    The Parallax site has a different server as I recall, and does nor search the forums.

    Try and upgrade FireFox to 48.


  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    This is interesting.

    Typing "elev-8" into the forum search box produces a few adds and then a lot of Parallax links.

    Typing "site:forums.parallax.com elev-8" into Google directly, produces no adds and then a lot of Parallax links.

    Only the links returned seem to be a lot older than current activity on that subject.

    But here is the kicker:

    By using Google search on the forum, Parallax is ensuring that Google presents people with links to competing products ahead of any Parallax links.

    There is something very wrong with all this.

    Of course, we all have different machines and we are in different places in the world. And Google "knows" all about us from our browsing habits We can never be sure what results we get from the Google machine.



  • Yeah, like ads for the most elevating of forklifts :)
  • RickBRickB Posts: 395
    edited 2016-09-04 20:56
    Publison: This link.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7676084/ForumSearch.html

    FF 47.0.1 or 43.0.1 is the latest (take your pick) according to mozzila.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2016-09-04 21:48
    RickB wrote: »
    Publison: This link.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7676084/ForumSearch.html

    FF 47.0.1 or 43.0.1 is the latest (take your pick) according to mozzila.

    Are you opposed to using chrome?

    FireFox 48.0.2 was the latest I got today.

  • Are you opposed to using chrome?
    Yes.

    When I check for updates, I get 47.0.1.
    Different version for Win7?
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    RickB,
    Yes.
    Could you elaborate on that? I'm curious.
  • I use chrome here. Some ads. Annoying but predictable.

    No robots however....
  • Non-working search on parallax is no reason to change browsers.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    RickB,

    Is that in response to my request for elaboration?

    I don't understand it. The search on Parallax works on all browsers I have tried.
  • RickB wrote: »
    Non-working search on parallax is no reason to change browsers.

    In an ideal world, yes.

    It seems you've hit an issue based on multiple causes.... with one root.

    That is your choice of OS, Windows XP.

    Ie. Running XP means you no longer get updates to your browser software. (As Chrome/FF no longer provide updates for XP).

    Parallax has no control over how the bit of code used for search (in the forums) works, or what dependencies it has- but even if it did, then Parallax (like any other company) would be obliged to ensure their website compatible with current browser versions- over ensuring compatibility with all EOL browser versions.

    You also asked
    So why does it work on the main Parallax website?
    .... The main site uses a different search engine, which clearly still works out for XP users. That's good to know.

    Unfortunately all XP users (like all iPhone 3 users before them) are destined for the same fate. Slowly but surely more and more software will stop working as expected (or stop working totally), as certain links in the chain become obsolete.

    Anyway, it seems you've got your own solution:
    I will be staying with XP until I move to linux, so any searching will have to be done directly from google. Thanks for the sleuthing.

    So I think we're all done here.

    Thanks for reporting this Rick, and I'm glad you're set on a solution.
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